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open Why there's no pague on Kodomo No Jinkan? Anime
I'm not an idiot, I understand it's a very controversial manga but still... I first started reading it as a part of my quest to witness the most banned content on this world, but what I discovered the was one of the most unapologetic, engrossing stories I've ever read which not only do I believe is probably my favorite Manga now but it helped me cope with my own abuse story as a kid. In my case, it was very ambiguous, there was no violence and my abuser was not that much older than myself, I had always been told that the pain of abuse was instantaneous so as a kid I thought that if it didn't hurt instantly it wasn't abuse. But the pain started to creep up as the years went by and such ambiguousness was compounded with a lot of doubts no one wanted to answer or aknowledge could be asked since it was tabu to question the white and black morality of the situation and just doing it surely meant you were an abuser. But Kodomo No Jinkan asked those questions and slowly I felt I wasn't so alone, in my quest for edgy shit I thought I had become insensitive, but the uncomfortable actions combined with actually caring for the characters made me so uncomfortable I couldn't believe it. Near the end there's an abuse scene that made me angry and disgusted (that was the intention) to levels I didn't thought I was capable of feeling anymore. And the ending is quite controversial for not being ideal to many moral standard (maybe stretching them a bit), but that's kinda the point, when you have been broken you happiest ending will still be a shattered one for the eyes of most people but is one you should strive for instead of giving up because the perfect normal people's ending is unreachable. Also there's a very sick character with PTSD which at the end decides to start dealing with it after avoiding it for so long, it hurt deep inside in a very needed way. I know in appearance it looks bad and most people want it to "tell don't show" but I think of it as medicine, not for your normal headache as it is chemo extreme so I guess is fine if people can't take it, but to be hated after doing so much good it makes me feel alone. So I wanted to ask if we can include it back please, I think it can do a lot of good with people still stuck in between traumas they can't just tell anybody about.
openRegaridng all white entries... Anime
I found a couple spoilered entries on Anime.Pokemon The Movie Black And White. Specifically The Bad Guy Wins and Earn Your Happy Ending:
- The Bad Guy Wins: All of Damon's goals are accomplished successfully despite his Heel–Face Turn; this only means the Kingdom of the Vale was restored without the unintended and unaccounted-for side effects happening.
- Fridge Brilliance: The Dragon Force became destructive as a result of the two brothers of yore fighting their battle with Reshiram and Zekrom. It was neither the truth of collapse/the ideal of harmony that Ash bore nor the ideal of rebirth/the truth of vigilance Damon possessed that saved the Kingdom of the Vale in the end, but the cooperation between them, and between Reshiram and Zekrom in turn. Hate and zeal only destroy themselves and everything around them.
- Earn Your Happy Ending: How Damon's goals are accomplished without world destruction happening.
I am asking if the examples should be reworded or if the markup should be removed (On the one hand, Its canon status is dubious at best and it could be considered independent of the anime, a Non-Serial Movie. On the other hand the movie itself is a decade old at this point)? I will move the Fridge Brilliance bullet to the YMMV page once I edit these entries.
Edited by MorningStar1337openUnofficial vs official English spellings Anime
Minor spoilers for One Piece below
So there's a character/group in the One Piece manga called "Rox". Many of the fan translations (and Oda himself) spell it as "Rocks", but the official English releases from VIZ and Crunchyroll use "Rox". Since it's the most recent official English version, I edited One Piece: Historical Figures and Flashback Characters to reflect this spelling. Troper killerdurian2 reverted the changes, citing Oda. I didn't undo his edit, as that would be considered edit warring, but I did send him a PM explaining my reasoning and asking if he would reverse his changes.
Just wanting to confirm, the "most recent official English translation" guideline is still in effect yes?
Edited by DeeeFooopenChanging a work's name Anime
Just wanted to check with you if the process of changing the work's title to it's English official translation was correct: 1/ Create the new page with the new name 2/ Copy the entire content of the former page 3/ Cutlist the old page with the untranslated name and ask to create a redirect to the new page (or create the redirect myself but I never did that...)
Am I correct? Thanks!
openWhich Title Should Be Used? Anime
Over the weekend I created a page for a manga, Manga.O Inari JK Tamamo Chan, and used its unofficial English title, Manga.High School Inari Tamamo Chan, as a redirect.
Overnight a troper came in and flipped that, making High School Inari the page and O-Inari JK the redirect.
I actually have no personal issue with this, as I prefer the English title. However, the English title is not an official title. The series hasn't been released in English that I could find so Inari High School Girl is primarily a translation of the Japanese title.
I remember a question like this coming up for another page I made and wanted to double check before I acted. My question on this matter: Does it matter if the page uses the English title over the Japanese one if there isn't an official English title to use?
I originally set it up the way I did because How to Create a Work's Page states "if the work doesn't have an officially-translated English title, you can use the non-English title for the main page and make the English translation into a redirect instead." but is that a hard and fast rule we must do it that way? The wording makes it sound optional.
If it doesn't matter either way I'll let the matter drop because, again, I have no problem with it myself. If it's preferred and/or required though I'd like a consensus or something official I could point to for reverting it before I contact the other troper or otherwise act.
Thank you in advance.
Edited by sgamer82open Can we please, please, please stop calling Evangelion a deconstruction? Anime
The concepts of "deconstruction" and "reconstruction" on this site are ludicrously vague to begin with, and Evangelion is one of those series that, while good, also ends up having people project a lot of assumptions on it that aren't necessarily true. And the whole "deconstruction" thing isn't the only bit either, tons of people were really anal retentive about the religious symbology until Anno or whoever just came out and said they were doing it because it was exotic and sounded cool.
A lot of the concepts in Evangelion that people seem to think are revolutionary and "deconstructive" were already thoroughly explored, warts and all, in the genre's infancy in the same way that people find so amazing in Evangelion itself. Astro Boy, Great Mazinger, Zambot 3, Ideon... Hell, even Combattler V which wasn't that much to write home about still could've been argued to "deconstruct" the combining mecha subgenre it set up in its first episode when the leads weren't able to actually combine and work together as a team because they had only just met and hadn't bonded in the slightest. I think the real cause for this is simply Evangelion was one of the highest-profile mecha series of the 90s and one of the ones most likely for people to see one way or another. And from it and its dark subject matter, assumptions were made about the old mecha shows of the 70s and 80s and somewhere along the line, bam. Deconstruction label got slapped on it and everyone just assumed it was true when, as far as I can tell, there's never been official recognition and confirmation of this idea. Same with people thinking Metal Gear Solid 2 was supposed to be some amazing masterpiece of Post-Modernism.
Granted there is still a mountain of analysis to it especially in the final third when Anno really got into the concept of psychology as he was coming out of his depression. But every time I see a page where something in Evangelion is marked as a deconstruction, or that Gao Gai Gar was meant to rebel against its trends and Gurren Lagann in turn was in turn Gainax recognizing that they got the message, what that's really telling me is someone is making a lot of claims about the genre with a lot of undeserved, unwarranted, and unfounded certainty.
Edited by SteamopenNeed Help With A Consensus Anime
There's an issue that needs some help with clearing up on Characters.Seton Academy Join The Pack. specifically, whether or not a character, Yena, should be troped as transgender vs a tomboy.
I favor transgender, for reasons I'll give in a moment. The_Spanish_Inquisitor favors tomboy, for reasons I'll let them explain. The disagreement has caused tropes like Transgender being removed in favor of The Lad-ette and Lady Looks Like a Dude. This happened once before with another troper. I replaced the tropes at the time, but now worry I'll stray too far into edit war territory, or spark one myself, if I just change it. As a result, I'm hoping for a consensus to be able to point to on the matter.
A discussion was started
but, three days later, the two of us have been the only participants.
To keep this OP from being too wall of texty, I'll give my reasons for favoring Transgender in the first reply and PM Inquisitor to let them know I started this discussion
Edited by sgamer82openPokemon Wham Episodes. Anime
From Wham Episode.Anime, I question the following from Pokémon.
- EP-015 "Battle Aboard the St. Anne". Giovanni appears for the first time and orders Team Rocket to attack the St. Anne, Ash trades his Butterfree for a Raticate (but later trades it back) and at the end the ship sinks with the group on board.
- EP-134 "Charizard's Burning Ambitions". Ash leaves Charizard, one of the anime's most loved Pokemon on the Charricific Valley.
- AG-044 "The Princess and the Togepi" and AG-045 "A Togepi Mirage". Misty comes back with new clothes, is revealed to own a Gyarados (depends if you are watching Chronicles on their Japanese air date), her Togepi evolves, and it's then released to take care of the Togepi paradise.
- AG-132 "The Scheme Team". The group separates and Ash comes back to Kanto. Ash encounters Agatha, who is the Viridian Gym Leader here and battles her. Then finds out about the battle Frontier and decides to challenge it. Then he finds Misty and an Azurill in his house, and Max also arrives there.
- DP-062 "Tanks For The Memories". Dawn gets depressed and stops believing in herself. Couple that with season-named sisters, one of them falling for Brock and Ash crossdressing as a maid, and you get an unforgettable episode.
- DP-189 "The Semi-Final Frontier". One of the most influential episodes within the fandom. Ash gets to the Sinnoh League semifinals, where he finds a strong trainer named Tobias. After many losses Ash gets to beat his Darkrai, but Tobias is then revelated to own a Latios who ends up at a tie with Ash's Pikachu, leaving Ash with no Pokémon left and thus eliminated from the League. Additionally, when the episode finished airing on Japan, Ash's return as the protagonist in the Best Wishes series was announced, complete with his controversial eye style change.
- BW-001 "In the Shadow of Zekrom". Another influential episode, but this time thanks to the rather trivial fact that Ash is still 10 years old. Additionaly, the battle between Pikachu and Snivy is also controversial and people still talk (or complain) about it today.
- BW-018 "Sewaddle and Burgh in Pinwheel Forest!" Ash captures Sewaddle, breaking the format of Ash capturing only six Pokemon per Region. Ash would go on to catch nine Unova Pokémon.
- BW-023 "Battling For The Love of Bug-Types!". The previous two episodes (that featured Team Plasma vs Team Rocket) were banned, so there were a lot of questions unanswered, and this episode at least provided the answer to one of them: Team Rocket lost. As a result of that, Team Rocket came back to their usual selves dressed in white, and acted a bit funny. Additionaly, Ash's Sewaddle evolves, James caughts a Yamask and Ash gets his third Unova badge.
- BW-096 "Meloetta and the Undersea Temple!" and BW-097 "Unova's Survival Crisis". Team Rocket gets to control Meloetta, Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus, Ash faces Giovanni for the first time, albeit briefly, Giovanni gets mad for power but loses in the end, causing Team Rocket to be withdrawn from Unova.
- XY-060 "A Showcase Debut". Serena participates on her first Pokemon Showcase, but loses in the Theme Performance round. Early the next morning, Serena goes to a dock and cries for her failure, but after being reconfortated by her Pokemon, she proceeds to cut her hair and change her style permanently. Additionaly, a mysterious woman and a former performer named Palermo is introduced.
- XY-062 "The Future Is Now, Thanks to Determination!" Clemont's Luxio evolves, but more importantly, Clemont decides to leave the group temporarily in order to prepare his battle with Ash. This is the first instance of a travel companion leaving the group in the middle of a series, though Clemont comes back after said battle.
- XY-064 "Battling with Elegance and a Big Smile!" The writers really were on a good run here. Serena meets her idol Aria (disguised as Ariana) and gets to battle her, with her Fennekin evolving into Braixen in the process. Also, Ash's rival Sawyer gets an Early-Bird Cameo.
- SM-021 "One Journey Ends, Another Begins..." The episode begins with the recurring Litten panicking and worried because the elderly Stoutland that took it in hasn't been in good health. Ash and Nurse Joy do what they can, but it isn't injured or sick. Stoutland dies of old age.
Any objections/thoughts?
openExcessive Spoiler Tags in GE - Good Ending Anime
Earlier today, I Wiki Walked my way into GE - Good Ending and, to be blunt,the page was a mess. I've done what I can to deal with the worst of it (links to manga sites, multiple tropes listed together, example indentation, ZCE's... oh man the ZCE's...) but there's one issue I'm not sure how to handle: Spoiler tagging.
The spoiler tagging on the page and its subpages strikes me as very excessive. Several Wall of White entries for a start. A few spoilered trope names though I dealt with those. The thing is I don't know the series well enough to differentiate what is and is not a spoiler so I'm not sure what to uncover to keep things looking both good and correct.
I was wondering if anyone had some advice (or, if there's a forum thread for this kind of thing, point me in the right direction). I did look for a forum thread for GE itself, but had no luck.
Edited by sgamer82open Bishonen Line Anime
The term Bishonen is used in the trope Bishonen Line but when I tried to search for the word Bishonen's definition itself, there was only the, uh, x-rated definition to be found. Is it the same word repurposed, or am I searching incorrectly?
openNo Title Anime
(Medium listed as Anime as the page involved is in that medium, although the question itself is medium-neutral)
The question is: Can pages be split based on YMMV tropes?
Specifics: Characters.Detective Conan One Scene Wonders is relatively old; it was first created as a folder within Characters.Detective Conan and later split into a separate article, together with other content, in 2012. While as a Long Runner, Detective Conan has a large amount of One-Scene Wonder examples, OSW is a YMMV trope. So, is it appropriate to keep that page as is, or should I re-organize it, or at least, rename it?
openHelp needed in adding fic recommendations for both Skip Beat and Samurai Deeper Kyo Anime
I have many fics I would like to suggest to the pages for Skip Beat and Samurai Deeper Kyo but I am a new user (just signed up two days ago) and don't know the ropes here yet. I'm sorry if I'm committing a faux pas in the process.
Here are the fics I would like to recommend.
Skip Beat:
1. Crimson Thread by Blushweaver
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12906378/1/Crimson-Threads
To help combat Japan's plummeting birth rates, the government has made marriage mandatory by age 25. Those who do not comply with the new mandate will suffer a crippling tax hike. If you're having trouble finding the perfect partner, the government pays for new hopefuls to attend a dating retreat where they spend a month with other suitors.
2. The Prince's Concubine by Blushweaver
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11013810/1/The-Prince-s-Concubine
In the desert kingdom of Ashuron, Kyoko Mogami, an aspiring physician, has put herself in quite the predicament. She has managed to anger the first prince, Kuon Hizuri, who won't forgive her unless she becomes the newest member of his harem. How will Kyoko adjust to her new station? An epic tale of revenge, magic, betrayal, and love. AU
This is an Alternative Universe
3. How to Train your Fairy by Daamile
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13041761/1/How-To-Train-Your-Fairy
In the far lands of the Takarada Kingdom, Kyoko The Plain finds herself pursuing a fairy to become a princess. Capturing a fairy grandfather was just the first of many mistakes. How To Train your Dragon book adaptation AU.
4. The Little Prince by Fae 206
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12540293/1/The-Little-Prince
Alternative Reality Fic: When ten year old Kuon is hospitalized after attempting to 'fly' solo, the Hizuri family decides to stay in Kyoto until Kuon has recovered. This leads to the six year old Kyoko finding out the true identity and becoming closer with her fairy prince. What happens when Kyoko is drawn more towards Kuon than even Shou? Especially when a new crush is involved?
All of these fics are not yet completed.
Samurai Deeper Kyo:
1. Midori No Me by vegita-dias
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2002494/1/Midori-No-Me
What if...they met a different way? Would she still be able to love the true demon and would he allow himself such a luxury as love despite all odds? Kyo Yuya of course. SEQUEL IS UP!
2. Kurenai Kioku (The sequel to the above story)
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11379856/1/Kurenai-Kioku
After the events of Midori no Me, friends and family must regroup and get stronger. A clan must be overthrown, a wife must get her husband back and tame the monster within him. Along the way, there might just be love in the air between old companions and new friends.
I believe that these stories deserve its mention in its respective pages.
Thank you so much!
open Need help Finding Correct Trope Anime
There's a death trope I'm searching for, but I don't know the exact name and the index is huge, so I'm hoping someone here can help me out. It's where someone is afraid of dying. The closest one I've found is I Don't Want to Die, but according to the trope description, it only applies to heroic characters and is more about the phrase itself.
The one I'm looking for is for someone who's terrified of dying (almost as if it's a phobia), to the point of either thinking about it constantly, or spending most of/their entire lives doing everything they can to prolong their very existence. I need it so I can update the Kamigari character page for Maken-ki!. Any help would be appreciated.
Edited by MiinUopenPage on Emergence (Manga)? Anime
I did a search for the doujin Emergence (also known as Metamorphosis) just out of curiosity in order to see what kind of tropes you were able to find within it... and I noticed that there wasn't a page for it. I was considering making a page for it due to it being a massive case Porn with Plot, especially since it is a rather noticeable doujin, having its own Know Your Meme page and everything, but I wasn't sure about it due to the rules about adult content here. If you've read it, then you know what I'm talking about.
I did read through the guidelines about your restrictions on covering H-content, including the rules created by 5P, but I wasn't really able to come to a decision by myself due to the fact that there are some pages about h-content while others get immediately nuked, so I figured that I'd post a thread here to ask if a page for this doujin would be acceptable before I make a page for it myself.
Edited by FEARattataopen Blood bath scene Anime
Im not even sure if it was an anime or just cartoon, i know it was animated, but there was a specific scene where this woman was bathing and she was old, and she started getting younger from the bath that was filled with blood, i think later on she withered away after not being able to bath, but she washed herself in blood and had a butler i think
openNo Title Anime
I have questions about the rather or not the "A Certain Scientific Railgun" series actually qualifies as a spin-off of the "A Certain Magical Index" series. The anime even refers to itself as a "side story" not a spin-off, a side story being a story that is happening away from the main but can still holds importance, a spin-off is a story that spins off into another direction of the main and doesn't make much of a difference to it. Also it doesn't fit in any of the classifications of a spin-off according to its page. The closest one it fits into is the shared continuity category but with all of the defining characteristics being reversed.
1: All of the characters from the original show up in it and hold an importance to the plot.
2: The plot of both series runoff each other, Railgun has some things that look like a Deus Ex Machina that are further explained in the Index, while it also conversely gives a more clear and better understanding of the details of science side for the Index. Both are practically essential to properly understand the full extent of the overall plot of the franchise.
3: The Railgun manga was originally created for purpose of better understanding the plot, characters and timeline of the Index series while telling it through the eyes of its minor and secondary characters.
Conclusion: Wouldn't all this mean that A Certain Scientific Railgun is not a "Spin-Off" but an entire "Lower Deck Series?"

Here's a The Complainer Is Always Wrong entry regarding Code Geass:
The first line is a Zero-Context Example as it doesn't explain how Lelouch falls under this, and the Black Knights who objected to the betrayal were actually in the right and made better points (and it was several of them objecting, not just one person) so it doesn't seem the narrative is portraying them as wrong for doing so. I'm not sure if it counts overall but I think it at least needs to be re-worded.
Edited by Javertshark13