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openBan evader DisneyAnimefan95 back again
I'm quite certain that persistent ban evader Disney Animefan 95 who has been bounced several times before, including just last week
, is back once again as ThePhantomPimpernel78
. They reinstated several edits that the previously bounced account COkamaAnime85
did, and the account itself popped up shortly after C Okama Anime 85 was bounced.
openEdit warring and weird message? Film
So on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/PatchAdams
, I deleted a Funny moments entry because it was worded awkwardly, lacking in context, and for some reason I mistakenly thought the page already had a "heartwarming" section. HarleyQuinnIsGreat (who I guess entered it in the first place) reverted it back with an added " % % Do not delete the above entry without consulting someone first," and sent the deleting YMMV notifier while telling me not to delete without consulting them. (MOD EDITED TO REMOVE PM TEXT; ADDED SUMMARY INSTEAD)
At this point, I feel like the edit itself isn't really the problem here.
Edited by nombretomado
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openWall-of-texty example on Atelier Ryza
Insane Pryomaniac has added this to YMMV.Atelier Ryza Ever Darkness And The Secret Hideout:
- Contested Sequel: While many new players introduced to Atelier were very happy with the game, the split among fans of the previous games in the series is significantly more divisive. While most admit Ryza does have quite a few positive points like the improved graphics, great tutorials, a great new art style, and an intuitive node based crafting system that make it a decent game, many also claim the game fails on some of the innovations it attempted. The story is very short with minimal character interactions that are a series tradition (there are more scenes of the individual characters bonding in the first several or so hours of Atelier Sophie or the Dusk games than in the entirety of Ryza), less enemy types present than previous games that were already criticized for their lack of enemy variety, the ease of duplication and gardening with infinite gems rendering the post game boring, a split opinion on if the ATB battle system is amazing or awful, near universal hatred of the CC item system, easy difficulty of even harder modes, massive simplification of the traits system, the contrast of Lent's subplot with the rest of the game and how it poorly resolves itself halfway through the game, lack of an English Dub, and rampant Complacent Gaming Syndrome over most stats, traits, the usual DLC problems the series has faced in recent years with the extra episodes for this game being very short but expensive, and usable items being fairly useless compared to just building items with massive skill damage stacking leaving little options for the player compared to previous entries. While this doesn't mean the game is hated, the fanbase at large seems to see it as more of a flawed first step into making an Atelier game that could be more than a Cult Classic and gain widespread success than a total improvement on the past titles.
Methinks it looks like it's piling on every single criticism that could be made about the game, making it pretty hard to read. Anyone agree? Because if so, I'd be able to make it much more concise.
openCorrect thing to do, V2
Sorry for any confusion for the people so saw the first version of this, realizing a few things about the situation made me need to repost it with a less accusatory tone.
Now I noticed earlier that Grotadmorv removed the ZCE markup and tag on Toon Town Online. My original post was wrong in thinking they did this randomly; they actually did add context to a lot of the examples (as pointed out to me by Rally Bot). So that's fine, though hopefully the fact that I pinged them to the ZCE thread first won't create too much of a headache for them. I was thrown off by the deletion of the tag itself and that colored my perception of the rest of their edits.
However, my real question and the source of my earlier stress remains: What's the correct course of action when you notice months late that an issue had occurred? Lets' say I was right the first time and they didn't add any new context- I noticed their edit months afterward, long past the point of being able to request a mod revert. In this case that's not necessary anyway, but in other cases (say the case of Darkness Falls and the troper who kept reverting our work on that one), what's to be done if the revisions weren't noticed until a long time after the fact?
It feels petty to report people for things that happened months ago, even if usually I'd report them immediately had I noticed in a timely manner. But the amount of time in between it happening and it being noticed...makes it harder for me to know how to respond. Is it still edit warring in that case to fix it? Is there still a point in reporting the troper? Is it best to just ask for other tropers to help and move on? What's to be done when problems aren't noticed early enough to act on them?
Since that was my real question and the Grotad thing was just a catalyst to my asking it, that's why I decided to just recreate the query rather than stick with the misinformed earlier version.
openShould there be a Complete Angel trope?
This trope would be the exact opposite of Complete Monsters. A Complete Angel is a character that is very pure of heart. They've committed selfless acts, they are forgiving, incorruptible, and overall extremely nice. I'm pretty sure theres a lot of characters who would fit the Complete Angel trope.
openProblematic edit in YMMV.YandereSimulator
Recently, the troper Hashiriya R 23 made this
edit on YMMV.Yandere Simulator. Basically, he removed examples relating to YandereDev being annoyed about emails because:
"Removed all mentions of the "email issue" because it's becoming very clear at this point that the issue was a fabricated excuse from the get-go, and because the artwork that he used as an example of "kids sending in bad art" was drawn by someone that neither sent him an email, nor volunteered in the first place."
Even if this is true, these edits, from the top of the edit history, made one example not make grammatical sense, deleted an objective example, and turned an example into a ZCE.
Furthermore, Hashiriya has had a history of problematic edits on the page. In particular, he added a bunch of memes that were memeing about Yanderedev himself, instead of the game, which we have since deleted.
Edited by KappaclysticaopenLine of opinion acceptability in YMMV
Currently in a bit of a looming trope off with another involving the YMMV page for a fanfic.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/PokemonShadowOfTime
There are two people troping on it, myself and another, and I want to add this trope to YMMV
- Fight Scene Failure: There are many things the fic does that Reset and Ashes do as well. Some of them Shadow of Time does better. Fight scenes...are not one of them. The fights in general are a lot shorter and less descriptive than the fight scenes in either fic.
The other is very much not for it. This is his comment on the matter
'Fight Scene Failure' is purely a matter of opinion, so I don't think it applies here; at least They Copied It acknowledges that only some have that view.
...I asked a mod and I was told to bring it up here. So...here I am.
openConflicting entries on YMMV.MyHeroAcademia Anime
- Americans Hate Tingle:
- Mineta is reasonably popular in Japan, reaching 17th place on the first popularity poll, but many Western fans loathe him with a passion thanks to him being an obnoxious, cowardly, and tasteless idiot whose Dirty Kid antics are a walking sexual harassment suit waiting to happen, and are wondering why the hell it hasn't gotten him expelled, because creeping on women the way he does is taken extremely seriously in American high schools. Most of them are praying for the day where he either 1) turns evil, 2) dies, or 3) turns evil and then dies so he could be replaced in Class 1-A by Shinso. The fact that Horikoshi has openly admitted Mineta is one of his favorite characters doesn't help matters either. Although even he's losing fans in Japan after his extremely inappropriate comment to Eri.
- The Scrappy: Mineta has a sizable hatedom and tends to rank low on popularity polls. This seems to be attributed to his perverted antics, which to a lot of fans comes across as annoying and/or gross rather than funny, and his arrogant attitude and looking down on others (like Todoroki or Bakugo) despite bringing nothing substantial to anything himself. There's also the fact that his character is painfully underdeveloped compared to others, yet, Horikoshi confessed that he is one of his favorite characters, due to being easy and fun to draw, so he tends to get a lot of screentime and page-time compared to other "side characters" in the class. It doesn't help that he's had virtually zero plot relevance at all since his introduction and has very little character development or exploration in the class. Many fans desperately wish (and write Fix Fic where) he leaves Class 1-A and is replaced by Shinso.
The Scrappy and Americans Hate Tingle are mutally exclusive, so one of these entries have to go. The last paragraph in Americans Hate Tingle implies that he's gotten hate in Japan after the Eri incident, but dosen't say anything if he has recovered from that since then, or if it was a temporary thing.
I'm asking here to get a consensus on what to do, I also asked here
.
openA character listed under seemingly contradictory tropes... Live Action TV
So, going on a wiki-walk, I noticed something rather strange. The tropes Apologises a Lot and The Unapologetic would certainly seem to be contradictory tropes. The strange thing I noticed? Dean Winchester from Supernatural is listed under both.
I kinda get it? It's a long runner with a lot of character development; some arcs/seasons/episodes he's unrepentant about any of his antics (mostly earlier in the series), sometimes he's very repentant and says so (mostly later in the series). With 'Apologises a Lot', the editor lists 'self-blame' as the reason he's there — which to my mind isn't quite the same thing as being apologetic. The editor for 'The Unapologetic' lists lines like 'I'd do it again' and 'I made the right call', which are true lines, but the kind that, honestly, I feel come from a lot of characters on the show at various points. Often enough, eventually apologizing for... completely disregarding other characters viewpoints by being unapologetic?
I felt like I needed some more viewpoints here to get an idea of what if anything to do, if anything, and what process to follow. Since Discussion pages don't seem to get a lot of use and it affects more than one trope, I thought I'd bring it here. I'm not sure Dean belongs on either page. I might be more inclined to remove him from 'Apologises a Lot', if I were judging it.
Edited by PointMaidopenConcerned about an edit I made
So on the fanworks page for My Hero Academia, I just removed a link for a fanfic called My Hero Academia Butterfly due to it being a redlink. However, this is the second time I've done so and I'm worried that doing so qualifies as edit warring. Both times it was added it was by separate tropers, but the redlink today was up for three hours with no attempt to make the page itself, and the first time the redlink was up for a full day. I'll admit it's kinda frustrating that no attempt was made to remedy the redlink and make it a bluelink as far as I've seen, but I'm worried that I broke a rule in removing it a second time.
openLow-Trope Characters Sheets
Is there a minimum amount of tropes a Character Sheet entry should have and be commented out otherwise (and not of the self-evident kind that can't really be developed further because the character isn't given much to do)?
openWork in the wrong namespace Anime
Le Portrait de Petite Cossette is under Manga/, yet the article itself (and every other source) says it is an original OVA and the manga came later. Can I move the page to Anime/ and turn Manga/ into a redirect?
openWhere to file examples from a show within a show
So I'm crosswicking Card Force Infection and I'm wondering if the examples of tropes in the in-universe card game should go in the Literature folder or the Tabletop Games folder?
It's never been published as a tabletop game, but the author does have a list of the full rules text for all the cards seen so far and enough of the game flow has been discussed in the story that one could put together and play the game, if one wanted to.
... For that matter, should tropes from the in-universe card game be separated out on the work page itself? I did it like that because I thought it looked nicer, but on reflection I'm not sure if it's the "correct" thing to do and I can't think of another game-within-a-story that's theoretically playable but not actually published like this one is to compare against.
Edited by wingedcatgirlopenQueer Romance: trope or index?
Queer Romance does indexing, but it's treated like a trope on the page itself, complete with commenting out of ZCEs (which, if it's supposed to be functioning as an index, should not actually be considered/treated as ZCEs)
openA couple of editing requests
- First, can somebody please help me add tropes to Shin Megami Tensei: Persona? I decided to add tropes that cover the whole series, as I find it odd that such a popular and large series with a ton of tropes each didn't have tropes in its main page.
- Second, can someone please proofread the page for Not the intended use (Zantetsuken Reverse)? I wrote it entirely by myself (still incomplete, btw), so I'm not sure if I accidentally have misused a trope, have ZCEs or have bad indentation. A second view would be helpful.
openWho is Eddy Kariti? Possible Misinformation Troll
Courtesy Link: Eddy Kariti, discussion page
and history of the page
I happened to look at the Cut List and someone, ~Spokuha, added Creator.Eddy Kariti on the cut list for "being a fraud" who allegedly has added himself to various wikis for the U.S. version of Being Human despite not actually showing up in the show. Here's a link to the guy's Twitter account.
(Though notably he isn't verified.) Apparently, Kariti played a character named "Randy Brooks" but on our Characters.Being Human UK and Characters.Being Human US pages there is no such character listed.
This is so strange.
The Creator/ page was made by ken-chicken (edits
), who also added the filmography section of the page. I just scanned IMDB's pages for the two Being Human series, the movie (Being Human: Unearthed), and an unrelated 1994 movie of the same name. "Randy" and "Eddy Kariti" are not listed among the "Full Cast & Crew" lists.
I'll PM Spokuha about this thread.
EDIT: This
seems to be the actor's IMDB page. I assume it's correctly a page for the same person in part because it lists the same person as being his father, but it could also be full of b.s.
Editing to add list of Creator/ pages made by ken-chicken:
There may be overlap with mahidevrans (edit history
showing similar interests in obscure creators like Creator.Berrak Tuzunatac, Creator.Tuncel Kurtiz, and Creator.Cansu Dere, though admittedly these are all Turks), who created a page for Painters and added this obscure Eddy Kariti person to the list in March 2019 (draft edit history
).
openIs it better to move this example to Harsher in hindsight? Live Action TV
On Kitchen Nightmares S6 E15 "Amy's Baking Company" there is this entry:
- Epileptic Trees: Some netizens took Samy's obsessive control over the till, his pocketing of servers' tips, and his admonishing Gordon that "You're not the gangster here, I'm the gangster!" as signs that the restaurant was actually a money-laundering front for The Mafia, which would just raise even more questions.
- According to law enforcement sources, Samy was involved in drugs and extortion while in Europe, so it's not far off the mark.
- Which is questionable itself. If you were running a covert criminal operation, would you want these loud, incompetent assholes anywhere near it? Additionally, if the restaurant were involved in any criminal activity, the last thing they should ever, ever do is involve Gordon Ramsay and be on a show that is seen on national television.
- According to law enforcement sources, Samy was involved in drugs and extortion while in Europe, so it's not far off the mark.
The indentation and the natter have to be corrected of course, but doesn't it make more sense to move it to Harsher in Hindsight? I was thinking of removing the final entry, which is mere natter, and merge the first two together.
Edited by gc10

So I recently got a PM from Thetropemaster 101 wherein he more or less ordered me to make some specific edits to a bunch of Star Wars character pages, and I believe that I'm not the only one since I noticed a few edit reasons throughout the index mentioning that they were being done based on "PM suggestions."
This was particularly notable since he did so through an edit notifier for an edit I made on Seven Deadly Sins, which had nothing to do with Star Wars (while I do edit the Star Wars pages frequently, it comes across as fairly stalkerish).
Searching for him on ATT I found numerous threads going back up to two years detailing all kinds of problematic behavior, including:
As well as creating a bunch of strange
, complainy
ATT threads and a very weird personal page where he describes himself as "the best troper on this website" and expresses a desire to be a moderator.
Edited by Dirtyblue929