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openI have a “just for fun” idea: Blue & Orange Wiki
I was thinking we have a death wiki, a sugar wiki, and a neutral wiki (which does need more love as we only have boil the Aesop I think on their), but what about a Blue & Orange Wiki. It’s not bad, it’s not good, it’s just strange. If people say I can create it (or if someone else does), I will dedicate quite a bit of time to make it look thorough and decent even in the starting stages. Some ideas I have for it may be inspired by the death/sugar/neutral wiki respectively. Examples include:
The page image could be a popular stoic character (doesn’t matter if they’re good, evil, neutral), shown laughing and covered with blue and orange clothing/suit/hair/etc.
Character Derailment Service: similar to the villain whitewashing service or paint the hero black service, but instead of focusing on just hero and villains and good and evenly, this page could serve to make dumb characters seem smart, Unhelpful NP Cs/Incompetent Characters/lousy sidekicks seem like they save the world, lazy characters seem like they’re diligent, etc. and vice versa using fridge logic.
Bizzaro That Aesop-twisting works that have a pretty clear aesop(regardless of whether it’s good or bad)/no aesop, and twist it into something completely nonsensical. It doesn’t matter where the actual aesop nor the bizarroed aesop starts and ends on the scale of good and evil (ex. the actual aesop can lean toward lawful good and the bizzaroed aesop can be chaotic good/beau real or evil,), as the point isn’t to make bad Aesops good, the reverse, or simplify Aesop’s, but instead it’s somewhat but not quite an inversion or boil the aesop(except while boil the Aesop’s goal is to make any aesop make sense, this would be to make any aesop seem well bizarre.
Epic Big Lipped Alligator Moments-self explanatory mostly.
Ad of Whuuut?: a bizzaro version of the ad of win/lose page, but ads featured here aren’t epically good or epically bad/yikes, but just plain bizarre.
That Cloudcuckoolander Troper-similar to that one troper and that other troper, but this troper isn’t good nor bad, and usually follows rules(though they might interpret them wrong by accident), and sometimes accidentally drifts into conversation on the main page (not on purpose like that one troper does though).
I probably will brainstorm a few more ideas but I’ve typed so much you guys might get tired.
I know that while we can start to create a works page without asking for it to be approved, we cannot create a new tropes page without going to the trope approving site, but idk about the rule of creating just for fun pages/wikis
Edited by Tvtroper8238openLarge scale editing without discussion and leaving behind quite some mess Live Action TV
So troper adonzo
has taken it upon himself to move large portions on MCU related pages.
While I am not necessarily opposed to what he did, I am opposed to how he did it, as he didn't discuss this with anybody and also left some mess behind
Biggest example: The folder for Mack is now double, both here
and here
, with no redirect.
I already PM'd him, but if he doesn't react, can his edits be reverted?
Edited by ForenperseropenPlatonic Life Partners added back in, violates guidelines
I noticed that Platonic Life-Partners was added back in, by Troper jonty1
, to both Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet's Creator pages very recently (see here
and here
). This is despite the fact that the trope was deleted from both pages circa 2016 and 2019 due to Creator Page Guidelines, most likely due to "Drooling/Gushing" and the trope itself is not associated within the two films they starred in together; see here
and here
.
Since this was added back in, 1) wouldn't this count as an Edit War? 2) Because this violates Creator Page Guidelines, may I have permission to remove the trope from both pages? If so, I'll cite this ATT post as part of my Edit Reason.
Edited by mouschilightopenSimilarly Named Works
While editing, have two films with the same name Seventeen Again and Seventeen Again_ (with a _ at the end of the web address). I'm just wondering if this is something I can correct myself or holler at a mod to fix.
Edited by MegaJopenAnalysis discussion?
Is there a thread somewhere for odd Analysis pages? The one for Space Fighter has one entry (A12) that seems out of place and several points that read like the page is arguing with itself, but I'm not familiar enough with the subject to know what to change.
openStrange edits on Chased Off Into the Sunset
Not sure what's going on, but some Troper (ungabunga to be precise) seems to have gone a bit overboard on the Chased Off into the Sunset page? The folders for Western Animation etc have been deleted with no reason given, and the information about the page itself has also been removed. I'm not sure if they plan to rewrite anything, but at the moment the page looks very sorry for itself. Is anyone aware of this yet?
open Edit War, Justifying Edit, no Edit Reason
Troper Lucky-Seven-Leaf-Clover just did three offenses on Faux Action Girl: they Edit Warred, they inserted a Justifying Edit, and they deleted a large chunk of information with no Edit Reason.
- They added some Justified and Averted examples to the Sakura entry on Faux Action Girl, despite the entry already establishing that she is one, with quotes even taken from both the manga and Word of God himself stating that she is, and thus official sources were cited (as per "State the Source" in How to Write an Example). Also, the fact that they inserted a Justifying Edit to try and prove that Sakura's an Aversion with more bullets not only makes the entry too long, but it also shows character bias towards her, and I know for a fact that any bias of any kind is not allowed here. As a result, I deleted the troper's entries and explained myself.
- Unfortunately, they re-added their examples. Because they re-added their examples, that's an Edit War (Add -> Delete -> Re-add). In the same edit, they also deleted a large chunk of information from the Yu-Gi-Oh examples. This troper's edits on the page have no Edit Reason.
Here's their Edit History: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Lucky-Seven-Leaf-Clover
openAbsentee Actor question
Question about Absentee Actor, which is about unexplained character absences. If Word of God or supplementary material explains the absence, is it still Absentee Actor if it's not explained in the work itself? What about explanations released after the fact?
openStyle Savvy title confusion Videogame
About a month ago, VampireBuddha did a major overhaul of the Style Savvy series and split the individual games into their own pages. Which wouldn't be an issue in itself, except the new pages are under their European names of Style Boutique. I'm fairly certain that American titles take precedence here, but even if they don't, there's a mismatch between the franchise name and the individual games. This is potentially a bigger project than I want to take on right now; does anyone else want to take a look?
Pls stop calling everything Harsher In Hindsight
openMinmaxersDelight and SuperWeight have issues
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MinmaxersDelight
I'm not sure 100% what's wrong with the ordering, but D&D is mentioned about 4 different times in the 'Tabletop games' folder at random points, and a few 5e things are mushed in with the 3.5e section. I'd fix it myself but I'm not sure how to sort them since I only play 5e (and even then not much)
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuperWeight
The table is incredibly messed up, no idea how to fix this.
The Quiet One (he/him)
open Odd edits on YMMV Redirects
Harpuia removed all redirects to Growing the Beard from YMMV Redirects, and also added Growing the Beard itself, even though Growing the Beard isn't a redirect (it's indexed on YMMV.Home Page). None of these edits gave an edit reason.
Edited by GastonRabbitopenBad Example of Base-Breaking Character? Print Comic
I was looking at Batgirl (2011), and came across this:
- Base-Breaking Character: Alysia Yeoh. Less about the character herself, and more about whether her being transgender is handled well or is being shoved into the reader's face to make the comic look progressive. Her getting Demoted to Extra when Cameron Stewart, Brenden Fletcher and Babs Tarr took over made this worse. It doesn't help that when she was brought back, many felt that the writers are treating her less like a full character, and more like a PR stunt.
- Wouldn't this be a case of Broken Base, rather than Base-Breaking Character, if the divide is "less about the character herself"?
- Is she even a base-breaking character? I'm not in the Batgirl fandom, so I have no idea what the general mood is, but in my experience, when someone uses the "shoved in the reader's face", it suggests someone's been analyzing things in bad faith.
openNightmare Face Web Original
Nightmare Face has a lot of examples from TV Tropes itself, which lists pages whose images fit the trope. The thing is, examples are not supposed to mention that they provide the page image. I already cleaned up a bunch of examples that had unnecessary "This example illustrates the show's Nightmare Fuel page", so do I delete all of the TV Tropes examples?
openOverlapping character pages due to misnamed work Web Original
Transformers: War for Cybertron is sharing its character page with the unrelated Transformers: War for Cybertron because someone misnamed the former. The show is actually called Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (also, I'm not sure if it counts as Web Animation if it's a Netflix original, since Castlevania isn't considered web animation, and War for Cybertron calls itself an anime).
Can I move it? And if yes, should it be to Transformers War For Cybertron Trilogy, Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy or Transformers War For Cybertron Trilogy?
openHelstrom editing conflict. Live Action TV
Alright, so there's a bit of an editing conflict going on with the Series.Helstrom page involving myself and a troper by the handle of alliterator. As of right now, Marvel TV is basically on its way out while Marvel Studios prepares their own series, and Helstrom is one of the last shows that the former group made. It's basically DOA with the showrunner gone, and Marvel noticeably have used absolutely no branding on their project, the latter of which is something that I pointed out. (The reasoning for this seems to be that they want to not associate Helstrom with their future shows and movies, but I don't think that that needs to be in the article.) I also pointed out that the series lacked this labeling supposedly due to horror themes, despite three Marvel projects based around horror (Moon Knight, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, and Blade) being actively developed with the Marvel Studios banner intact.
However, alliterator disagreed with that last part of the edit and excised it, saying that it had to do with a TV-MA rating which we don't even know that the show has — not that TV-MA stopped any of the Netflix shows from getting the Marvel label. I initially reinstated the edit with an explanation. Here's how it read before the bold part was cut out:
"Curiously, the series has absolutely no Marvel branding associated with it in any advertising, whereas the same was not true for any prior Marvel TV productions — or film productions without any association with Marvel Studios, for that matter. According to Marvel, this was due to the show's "horror-based content". However, this decision is in contrast to how the Marvel branding is kept on Marvel Studios-produced projects with supernatural themes, such as the television series Moon Knight, or the films Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Blade."
This edit was reverted for being "speculation"... Which doesn't make any sense to me, as Helstrom has objectively no Marvel branding while all three
projects that
I listed
have the Marvel Studios logo attached to them (and not just the generic Marvel logo). I figure that this discrepancy is noteworthy enough to be mentioned and I wanted to say my piece before I asked to have it reinstated.
openCommon Knowledge and Misaimed Fandom examples?
I was thinking about adding the following tropes, but have doubts about their validity so I'm running them by here first.
YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 2 E 25 A Canterlot Wedding Part 1
- Common Knowledge: Many criticize Twilight's friends, Shining Armor and Celestia for ignoring Twilight's warnings of Cadance being evil, especially while Canterlot was under threat. They did hear out her warning but Cadance had an alibi or rational for all the accusations Twilight made. Shining Armor stated they didn't know who was threatening Canterlot and changelings were so unknown "Part 2" had to explain what they were to the characters, meaning there was no reason to assume Cadance's behavior was suspicious or connected. They're also accused of disowning Twilight when Shining merely told her not to attend the wedding due to her behavior, everyones walking out on Twilight was to go after the "distraught" Cadance who'd ran off and seemingly needed them more at the time.
- Misaimed Fandom: Given all the Accusation Fics calling everyone out for dismissing Twilight's warning's, one might assume she was meant to be 100% in the right for her actions. In the episode proper she's portrayed a making at least as many bad decisionsexamples Everyone's Aesop Amnesia about taking your friends worries seriously, Twilight also forgot the far more recent not to make conclusions without proof. Everyone being quick to condemn Twilight, Twilight was just a quick to condemn Cadance never conserving she might not be herself. Everyone ignoring the threat to Canterlot, Twilight also did never considering it might be connected. and was only "right" due to exceptional circumstance, hence "Part 2" putting equal emphasis on Twilight admitting she was fooled to as everyone apologizing for doubting her. There’s many fans who wanted Twilight to blow up on everyone and call them out for dismissing her despite her doing so this episode being shown as what caused them to dismiss her.
Previous Common Knowledge cleanup left me the impression it’s only for misconceptions that arise from those who didn’t watch the actual source material. This may be given the prevalence in the fanon that can be confused with canon, or is it not common enough if the incident is unknown outside the fandom? Is this unknown outside fandom? Fan Myopia seems a problem for this trope.
Does Misaimed Fandom apply for situations where both sides were equally wrong? Or does that imply a level of writing nuance that the episode lacked?
I can put these points under Fourth Wall Myopia if nothing else. Any other tropes these may fit better?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught

I know we have the Netflix animation thread
, but do we have one for the live-action properties, or even just a thread about the company?
And before you ask, search is still borked. I'd look it up myself if I could.