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openLordGro in TLP
Lord Gro is being incredibly rude and kind of irrational. They're insisting that this
needs a better name, but then he doesn't suggest any new name. He also said "It's not an extravagant demand to use the right terms with the right definitions," except the name does use the correct definition. He also seems to be contradicting himself, changing his argument as the conversation goes on.
It's one of those "I just want us to be correct" sort of back-and-forth nonsensical gibberish. Then he bombed the draft "for irrelevance and garbled definition."
Except the proposal is relevant and the definition is not "garbled."
openOdd example on DMOS/WebOriginal
I was bored, so I decided to look through the Web Original section of Dethroning Moment Of Suck, and found...this.
- Phionix Powers: Ok, i didn't want to start this, but why did TV Tropes axe the Real Life Tearjerker page? Some of the RL cuts, like Nightmare Fuel, I sort of understand, but there were many Heartwarming tributes to the deceased on the Tearjerker page. There was an entire line of Deviant Art tributes of Steve Irwin, for pete's sake! Maybe this is just my macabre self, but when we lose those we love, some of us need a bit of catharsis to see that the world cares. Yes, there were many personal anecdotes, and we can lose those, but funerals and such should remain. Please don't ban me.
This sticks out compared to other examples I read, and I'm very suspicious about it in general.
openDo we have a cleanup thread for Auto Erotic Troping?
Self-explanatory title. I tried looking in both the long- and short-term forums, but couldn't find anything.
openAlphaBitch
I noticed in passing on the Is This An Example? thread that an observation was made that Alpha Bitch is always female. However, the trope description itself states 'almost always female' (confusingly, with a pothole to Always Female) and goes on to state that there are rare cases of Alpha Bastards. There is an existing redirect for Alpha Bastard (there are 21 links). The comment about the Alpha Bastard existing was added in 2012, so it's been around for a long time, but not as long as the trope itself has existed.
So, is it an Always Female trope or is it definitely the case that rare Alpha Bastard examples can indeed exist?
openFilm.LaColonia has multiple titles?
Film.La Colonia has multiple titles?
Wikipedia: Colonia / The Colony
, Page Image: Colonia Dignidad
◊, and the page title itself, all disagree.
openGermans Love David Hasselhoff Anime Bad Grammar.
- Ask a Latin-American fan in their twenties or thirties (and if you're lucky, maybe even in their early fourties) about it, and it's highly likely that they will mimic their favorite attacks and correctly give you their dubbed names. And that's just the start... (the Brazilian cast said the show was marked the start of fans seeking who were the dubbers, and that their voices still get emotional responses when recognized as being from Saint Seiya)
I want to correct this but I wanted some help because I dont have perfect grammar myself.
openHow To Create A Troper Page
So, I'm fairly new to being a troper, and I wanted to know how to make a troper page for myself. Sorry if this has been covered somewhere else, but I really didn't know where else to ask.
openRoberto Jalareno
RobertoJalareno's edits
are a mess, consisting of making subpages for himself (which I'm pretty sure isn't allowed), and the few edits he has on other pages have formatting and grammar issues.
Also all of the pages he made come up as "Make Video game articles" and not Roberto Jalareno, which...I don't even know how that happened.
Edited by ArctimonopenUnintentional Deconstruction?
- BioShock 1 could be interpreted as a damning rebuttal to Atlas Shrugged and to the philosophies and attitudes behind Objectivism - without proper regulation, the Objectivist Gulch would become populated with Corrupt Corporate Executives and quickly turn into a Wretched Hive. Although creative lead Ken Levine has refused to comment. The whole franchise could be seen as a Deconstruction of the concept of utopia, as from what can be seen through the games, any attempt to create a perfect society is doomed from the start, as while a theoretical society can be made perfect, the people living within the society can't.
- Kung Fu Panda: Whether or not it was intentional, Tai Lung is one for the traditional Kung-Fu Hero that is exiled or imprisoned by his enemies and returns to claim what is his. The movie also deconstructs in Tai Lung's character the idea of The Chosen One, Master of All, and Roaring Rampage of Revenge. While Tai Lung was imprisoned by his father figure, it was for a good reason as Tai Lung would do anything to get the Dragon Scroll and attacked his mentor/father figure without mercy and showed he would go to extreme lengths to get what he wants. Tai Lung believed he was the chosen one due to his father figure raising him into becoming the best student from the temple. While in most Kung-Fu stories, he would be the chosen one, the nature of the Dragon Scroll renders that belief meaningless and indeed, anathema to the purpose of Kung-Fu. Being raised to crave outside validation for accomplishments was detrimental to Tai Lung's personal growth, who instead needed to look to himself rather than others. While Tai Lung was very much The Ace and a prodigy, learning 1,000 scrolls worth of techniques, he only looked to the physical and technical aspects of Kung-Fu and never focused on spiritual enlightenment or peace within himself. Lastly, while Tai Lung was let down by Shifu by not supporting Tai Lung in the ways that mattered most, and for leaving him to rot in prison for 20 years without trying to reach out to his son or helping him in a way that could have given Tai Lung a chance at redemption, Tai Lung had become so bitter and selfish that even when Shifu admits his own faults and apologizes, Tai Lung still ignores him and not only attacks Shifu but is also harming innocent people. While Shifu was at fault for some of the wrong that resulted, Tai Lung became a cold and brutal beast willing to destroy anyone and anything to get what he wanted.
I was wondering if Deconstruction, or other playing with tropes, have to be intentional. What if it's done by a writer who doesn't understand nor is trying to do it, but are trying to take a spin at it that winds up falling under such?
openNever Live It Down misuse?
NeverLiveItDown.Animated Films
- From the BIONICLE films:
- The very concept of the Turaga. Originally priest-like figures who served as village elders, leaders, guardians of old legends and secret histories, they also had abilities like limited control over elements, mask powers and staffs that doubled as tools or weapons, which helped them protect their people for a thousand years. The movies, in an effort to "humanize" the characters and simplify the franchise, took an overly literal approach to the word "elder" and portrayed Turaga as hunched-over, geriatric and nearly helpless, using their staves as walking sticks. Fridge Logic also kicks in when you realize they're not actually older than those around them, just more experienced. This portrayal even extended to the Rahaga from the third film. While weak and small compared to Toa warriors, they were meant to be very capable and agile — Turaga Vakama's original promo image even shows him sprinting. Since the movies though, Turaga were almost always seen as "elderly robots" and weaklings who avoided any action, rather than as capable but not Toa-level protectors.
- Sidorak was a capable warlord too preoccupied with conquest to realize his viceroy Roodaka was planning to betray him and that his Giant Spider troops feared rather than respected him. The film Web of Shadows, a heavily compressed adaptation of a year's worth of books and comics, focused solely on Sidorak's incompetent and clueless side, turning him into such a pathetic Memetic Loser that even the official writer himself would later adopt this portrayal and retconned Sidorak's earlier accomplishments, crediting them to Roodaka instead.
- Kiina from The Legend Reborn only yelled "Yoo-hoo!" a couple of times but fans would have you believe that's all she's ever done. The comics and books gave a completely different character to Kiina and explained away her movie behavior as merely a play she had put on because she realized her actual personality (a spiteful, short tempered and deeply cynical warrior) was insufferable. But apparently no one read the comics and books.
- Tuma from the same film went down in history as a laughably ineffective, 2nd rate villain who rivaled Sidorak in stupidity and had a giant ego with nothing to back it up, despite every other story material going way out of its way to portray him as a very competent and even somewhat relatable Tragic Villain. The film never touches on his deep backstory, showing him as a one dimensional oaf, and people only remember him for his self-given moniker of "Da mighty Tuma!"
Never Live It Down is about unfair exaggerations. If it had tangible effects/changes like described, this sounds more like Audience-Coloring Adaptation. Move?
I also asked Is this an example
.
openThe Launch Pad Incident
Hey, so this is Kryppuk‘s older sister speaking.
I will be the one responding to this whole disaster on the Launch Pad page because I don’t want them to get even more upset over this than they already did. I don’t know much about how this page works and I don‘t know where a post like this would go nor do I know if the formatting will be functional, and I apologize if it‘s not.
But I feel like this is something that needs to be explained, so I‘m asking you to hear me out.
My sibling(who is not comfortable with their gender being revealed online, so I‘ll try to keep it neutral) loves analyzing fictional stories and characters and wants to become a writer themselves one day. They are shy and don’t share this passion with a lot of people. And they loved the articles on this page since they were a young teen because of how much of an in-depth look they provided. They looked up to you guys, they really didn‘t mean to mess things up or offend people.
It took them a lot of time and courage to finally write down one of their ideas and actually post it in here. Finally having something that’s ready to post meant a lot to them, they wanted to make sure it was done right, they even had me spellcheck it twice because they didn’t want there to be any errors.
And the text looked fine to me. I‘m not too familiar with this page aside from what they showed me, but I have played some of the games mentioned in the article, so I was able to understand what it was about. And get this: I told them to just post it and not be so nervous about it because surely, your first post ever doesn’t have to be perfect and people would understand that it’s the thought that counts because everything else can still be improved afterwards.
Needless to say, I regret giving them this sort of encouragement.
Cut to about an hour later and they’re a nervous wreck, panicking and trying to „fix“ their article, which just seemed to mess it up more. I know for a fact that the apostrophes did read properly on the original post, so they must have gotten corrupted in one of the following edits. There also seemed to be some interface issues (It may have had something to do with us using a tablet rather than a real computer.) where the text field was partially covered by parts of the page that just added to the stress. I barely managed to get them to let it go for the night.
I don‘t think anyone is really to blame on this one as there were several aspects factoring into it, but it was not pretty and it took such a toll on my sibling‘s mental well-being, they are now considering quitting the page altogether.
It’s true that the formatting of their post didn’t look very good on this page. It was fine in the original document they wrote it in, but evidently, it just didn’t translate well. The numbers for one were underneath each other, not besides each other. This didn’t look like it was going to be a problem in the initial posting interface, (which was incredibly narrow by the way, the scrolling for the final spellcheck was a pain) but well, turns out that it is.
But honestly, that’s an innocent mistake, isn’t it? They didn’t know what their text would look like on the actual page because they had never written an article for it. In fact, they knew this would likely be an issue and asked for help.
It’s not even like they just typed random stuff directly into the text field without double checking it, their only crime was that they weren’t sure how to use coding, which I‘m sure all of you were perfectly versed in the first time you posted anything on this page, but they weren’t.
They knew it wasn’t going to be perfect right away and wanted to improve in this regard, but that wasn’t their main point. They wanted to talk to people about this idea they had. They didn’t think the formatting would mean more to people than the actual content of the article and frankly, neither did I.
Turns out it apparently does. I wish I‘d be able to tell them that they just misinterpreted the situation, but no, it really looks like people legitimately weren’t even reading what they actually wrote, with one person telling them to „just tell them what the trope is about“ only to edit their comment admitting they hadn’t even read the part right towards the beginning of the post that literally consists of a numerical list of exactly that. I‘m sorry, poor formatting or not, that’s just plain rude. This kind of criticism is not helping anyone. Both I and my sibling know that not everybody acts like that and that these comments aren‘t personal attacks in any way nor were they the only factor in their panic attack yesterday, but that doesn‘t change what happened.
Now I don’t see myself in any position to judge the article the same way people on this page can, but I did notice that a lot of the examples my sibling gave are not found in the examples section on the „Hijacked by Ganon“ page, which people claimed it was too similar to despite my sibling‘s best efforts to differentiate the two. If their suggestion was redundant, then I would have expected the other page to have at least more than half of the same examples.
Now I don’t see myself in any position to judge the article the same way people on this page can, but I did notice that a lot of the examples my sibling gave are not found in the examples section on the „Hijacked by Ganon“ page, which people claimed it was too similar to despite my sibling‘s best efforts to differentiate the two. If their suggestion was redundant, then I would have expected the other page to have at least most of the same examples.
There are also some things that I just don’t understand, like how is Ganon being used in a page name fine while referencing Bowser is problematic and needs to be replaced with „Big Bad“? I personally don’t have much involvement with this page and don’t know the definition of a „Big Bad“, but I do know who Bowser is, as well as that he is a common culprit of the phenomenon my sibling was describing. If the goal is to make the title more understandable for outsiders, surely it would be more helpful to reference franchises most people are familiar with rather than the internal terminology of articles that people who aren’t active on this page haven’t read?
I would be interested in hearing the explanations behind those since my sibling can’t explain them to me, but that’s just my two cents on the situation.
And before anyone thinks I‘m just some entitled Karen wanting to speak to the manager, this is not about my sibling’s suggestion being rejected and I’m not looking to change the fact that it was. In fact, I don’t think they ever actually expected it to be accepted. They just wanted to write something into the forum to get in touch with people who seemingly shared their passion for fiction. Having people complain about their foreign quotation marks and having the names of bad writing tropes hurled at them on their very first post was not exactly what they planned.
I know some of you will say that they shouldn’t have written a page suggestion for that, and you may be right, but some people, like my sibling, have trouble making connections just for the sake of making connections. They do much better bonding with people over activities, like, let’s say, writing an article on a topic they’re passionate about, getting feedback on how to improve it and talking to people about the contents of the article.
I don‘t think they would have written a page suggestion if they knew of another place on the page to do this kind of stuff. Maybe that one suggestion in the comments about having a „beginner score“ that goes up when making approved additions to pages and allows them to legitimately suggest new pages (completely independent from just bouncing off ideas) only after they‘ve collected the experience to make them formally acceptable to the general public really would be worth looking into for the future.
„Just do it.“ is not a piece of advice my sibling is going to take from me again any time soon, even if the situation seems as harmless as making your first post on a page you really like. Which is a shame because in my opinion, that is something they should follow. They have many good ideas yet never make anything of them because they keep backing out. And now the one time they didn’t, it became an absolutely miserable experience for them.
I‘m sure they’ll get over it, they‘re just very anxious right now. They usually know better than to let stuff on the internet get to them, but this time, it was in a community they really looked up to and that they thought they might fit in with. They met their heroes and it was not in the way they had hoped for. This just went out of hand for them and they panicked, emotionally jumping to the conclusion that everyone hated them and their ideas.
This might be the last post written with this account, which is sad because it’s also one of the first, but in the end, it might be better this way. I know they said they wanted to fix their post, but I think it‘s best for them to not deal with anything right now. They‘re not fixing it not because they don‘t care or don‘t want to, but because they need to calm down and get their mind off of things. Don‘t worry, I don‘t think they‘ll actually quit the page entirely, they just need to take a break for a while.
I do apologize for ending on such a somber note. I‘m not exactly the linguistic talent in this family, I just think it’s important to communicate clearly. You‘re looked up to so much more than you know and I know how awkward this can be. Just keep up the good work.
Thank you for reading.
openWhere would this scene fit? Western Animation
In an episode The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron, Boy Genius, Jimmy asks Goddard to use x-ray on Cindy's clothes when she's accused of stealing one of Sheen's Ultra Lord figures, prompting Carl to avert his gaze, Sheen to look on in excitement, and Cindy herself to furiously slap Jimmy across in the face at that suggestion.
Would that fit into Pervert Revenge Mode (even though the x-raying didn't actually happen), Power Perversion Potential, or somewhere else?
openIs This Allowed? Anime
The quote page for Neon Genesis Evangelion includes several quotes from influential figures such as Kurt Vonnegut and Jean-Paul Sartre. It seems to me that these quotes are here primarily to comment on the main themes and philosophies of Evangelion, but of course, the quotes do not directly mention Evangelion itself.
Please note that I only have basic knowledge of Evangelion, as I have not watched the anime. If these quotes are directly referenced within the anime, forgive me. But the quote page does not clarify this, so if this is indeed not the case, would this be breaking the rules?
openSweeney Todd Literature
Hello! I'm someone who's familiar with Sweeney Todd despite not having seen the musical and only saw clips of the Tim Burton movie adaptation, but has found the penny dreadful the musical and film are adapted from.
However, something about one of the pages bothers me. Even though the original tale titled The String of Pearls is listed as the original source, there is no page/article regarding it by itself, if that makes sense.
Personally, as a literature enthusiast myself and someone who likes looking into stories and authors I don't know of and acquire them to read, I find it disappointing the book isn't a topic.
Is it possible to create a page/article concerning The String of Pearls, even if only to give the written story itself the credit it's due?
openReclassification of the AK-12 from Rare to Cool Guns
In light of the fact that Russia has finally managed to adopt the AK-12 into mainline service, should it be moved from Rare Guns status and into more conventional Cool Guns status?
The actual example itself also highlights this fact, so I question the current validity of its "rare" status.
Edited by TsierraopenAn example violating administrivia?
On TierInducedScrappy.LowTiers I found this example:
Every character besides yourself in King Arthur & the Knights of Justice on SNES. They were the definition of dead weight and could barely kill a bottom level rat.
Does this violate the Examples Are Not General rule?
Edited by ATricksterArtistopenEdit War on Characters/FireEmblemThreeHousesEdelgard
Edit page history link
for Fire Emblem: Three Houses – Edelgard.
RedHunter543
deleted the Dark Messiah entry on Edelgard's character page for the following reason: "Edelgard does not fit the criteria to be a dark messiah."
Mei-may
restored the entry for the following reason: "Didn't cite which criteria she lacks to be not be this trope. And a DM is a villain with savior-delusions, has a utopian vision of peace and prospect, knight templar tendencies, has pet the dog moments but ruthless enough to sacrifice the dog, has loyal followers and generally acts/has good intentions, etc. Which all fit Edelgard."
Redhunter 543 deleted the entry again, making this into an Edit War for the following reason: "Edelgard does not present herself to be a holy savior to be a Dark Messiah, she's more knight templar than this trope. Additionally, she does not inspire fanatism in people aside from Hubert. The rest of the Eagles can turn on her for example"
I read the page for Dark Messiah and agree with Mei-may that Edelgard qualifies, but more voices should be heard to determine if Edelgard is indeed a DM.
openPossible fanfic self-promotion?
While some of ZoicAlcelaphine's edits, particularly those related to Undertale, have been pretty questionable, I have reason to believe they may be recommending their own fics on the game's Fanfic Recs page. If you look at their troper page and the FFN page for one of the authors they keep promoting
, they seem a bit too similar for it to be a coincidence (at least, it seems that way to me).
Also, the recently-created page for the fanfic The World Of Humans And Monsters, and especially its YMMV page, are tripping several red flags for me. Some of these include repeated usage of "The author believes/thinks..." and putting four instances of the canon characters getting called out under Catharsis Factor (it doesn't help that they're zero-context examples), along with including some non-YMMV tropes in the YMMV subpage as another way of going "this is why the canon characters are wrong".
Even if I'm wrong about the troper and the author being one and the same, that fic page needs serious work in order to stand as an objective page (which, considering that it's pretty much a Hate Fic that turns most of Undertale's cast into either author avatars or straw characters, may be an uphill battle). What do you think?
openSpoiler Image on character page
So I was checking on Lucifer (2016) charater page and then I found one image for a character named God. It shows his appearance in mid season 5 finale and I accidentally spoiled myself .And the troper put in the picture is named G3ae. So I decided to label note an image ( Link here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.Lucifer2016#edit26846822
) but I was thinking if I should deleted the picture or just keep it label note.

Someone included a part on the Determinator entry on Chadwick Boseman that was about himself and not his works, so I removed it. A different troper added it back, so I'm requesting someone else remove it so I don't get caught up in an edit war.
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast