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openMore of a correction Anime
I didn't feel comfortable changing it myself, but in the Art Shift entry for Megazone 23, it erroneously lists Haruhiko Mikimoto as the character designer for part 1. This is only true for the character, EVE. Despite the very similar art style, the other characters in Part 1 were designed by Toshihiro Hirano.
While not really an error per se, in the Gratuitous English entry, Shogo's SEX WAX jacket in Part 2 isn't actually Gratuitous English, it's an actual real-life American brand of surfboard wax produced in California!
open [Resolved] Suspicious TLP
This TLP draft
is for an H-game. Judging from the draft, it's probably not something that the P5 would want here, and the Wikipedia page for it
has a very, uh... questionable plot summary itself. And that's not even getting into all the problems with the actual draft, like the broken formatting, zero-context examples, or the fact that the draft uses the game's Japanese name rather than its English name of Stepmother's Sin. This draft needs to be nuked.
But that's not all. The person who posted the draft, YusukeYagami777, named themselves after the game's main character. Said troper has no edits on the wiki or posts on the forum, which makes me think they're here for the sole purpose of launching a hentai page.
Edited by SeracopenPaper Mario Origami King Development Speculation Videogame
So in Paper Mario The Origami King's Trivia page, I wrote this.
Troubled Production: Based on what can be inferred from interviews and clues from the game itself, there's a case to be made that during the game's development, there was quite a bit of friction between Intelligent Systems and Kensuke Tanabe.
- As mentioned above in Executive Meddling, the development staff was not allowed to create original characters based on mainline races in the Mario cast, as was possible in the first two games. Kensuke Tanabe enforced this based off of Shigeru Miyamoto's one time expression that he thought that the Paper Mario series was deviating too far from his vision of what Super Mario Bros games should be like. Tanabe took this to heart... by shutting down any and all elements that deviated from standard Mario fare that weren't completely different in the first place. This is in spite of Miyamoto having since expressed that he doesn't want the Super Mario Bros. franchise to become stagnant by only using tropes and characters that audiences are familiar with.
- Intelligent Systems were vehemently opposed to Tanabe's extremely strict meddling on how characters were allowed to be presented in the game, despite not being able to challenge the ruling. So instead they resorted to walking around the rule as much as possible. Olivia insisting on referring to Bob-Omb as Bobby, along with the Legion of Stationery all having wildly exaggerated personalities to make up for any lack of visual detail beyond each being an Animate Inanimate Object are just a few examples of the developers trying to skirt past this rule.
It was shot down as Speculative Troping, and while I want to bring attention to some of the details that I found regarding Origami King's development, I also don't want to break any wiki rules. So I asked the person who erased it if I should put this in the game's WMG page instead. He told me that he thought it was frowned upon, and that I should ask here before doing anything else.
Should this be placed on the game's WMG page as a "meta" (theory outside of the game's lore) tab, somewhere else entirely, or does this sort of stuff have no place on TV Tropes?
Edited by MetroidPeteropen Tropineasily back again
tropineasily recently added both natter and bad indentation in the same edit. Usually I'd just send a notifier and move on, but in this case
I figured it was worth posting here.
EDIT: Also, they're having problems with English again. In this edit
they write "Riju, while the leader of the Gerudo, she's still a young girl, sometimes giggles to herself and plays with her plushies before going to sleep."
openQuestion
First, can I remove self-promotion examples I did for my Sonic fanfics because of Old Shame? Such as the "Blood of Beauty" example on Transplanted Character Fic. (I swear I removed that a long time ago, but someone reinstated it shortly afterwards.)
Second, crazysamaritan removed this example I wrote from the same article for Examples Are Not General:
- A good number of Sonic the Hedgehog fanfics are this. There will usually be no robot-smashing action and the only major connection will be the cast of teenage Amazing Technicolor Funny Animals with distinct personalities that can fit them in every premise. Stories range from Sonic and company in Mundane settings and situations and Brought Down to Normal (High School AUs are the most common type) to them as supernatural creatures such as Vampires.
I still see general examples in the article. Are those kosher or not? Could these be moved to an analysis page?
Edited by PrincessPandaTropeopen Is there's a way to get unbanned from TLP?
So apparently I got banned yesterday for making fun of the person who made Gay trope in TLP. And I'm sorry about that. I didn't mean to hurt anyone. But is there's a way to get unbanned from TLP or should I wait until I got unbanned? Btw I tried go to this forum (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=5cma6iojg5o27puhulc24sje&page=871#comment-21771)
to explain myself but I don't know if people will go there .
openHow do we handle actor pseudonyms? Videogame
On Characters.Command And Conquer Tiberian Sun, one of the character's actors (CABAL, in the Nod folder) is listed as their pseudonym, but in parenthesis, it mentions that they were credited by their real name in the manual (not sure what they're credited as in-game, never played it).
How do we handle situations like this? Do we use their real name (if known) or their credited pseudonym? The actor in question — Milton James
— had multiple pseudonyms that he used for different roles. Do we use each one as credited, or just stick with his real name for every role?
What about cases like the original Metal Gear Solid, where nearly everyone used a pseudonym but used their real names in sequels? Which names do we use there? Does popularity mean anything? David Hayter is pretty much universally known as the voice of Solid Snake (he even played himself in MGS4), but he was credited as "Sean Barker" in the original MGS1.
In some cases, actors use pseudonyms to accept non-union roles (This is actually why they used pseudonyms in MGS1). Does that affect anything?
openPossibly problematic RecursiveCrossdressing entry
From the Real Life section of Recursive Crossdressing:
- Trans people with non-accepting extended families often have to crossdress for family events, even after physically transitioning and legally changing their names. They effectively have to cross-dress and act as their birth gender just to be accepted in these situations.
To me, that entry looks like it was written by someone who undestands transness as the person becoming their preferred gender at some point in life rather than having been that gender all along. Being cis myself (with a perpetually-behind education on the subject), I want to let the people the entry is about weigh in before anything is done.
Edited by Nazetrimeopen Wiki/VsBattlesWiki
A page for Vs Battles Wiki was created today. The main purpose of that wiki is to categorize various characters by their powers, strengths, and weaknesses and pit them against each other — think DEATH BATTLE! as a wiki and with way more people involved.
The page has only been live for a few hours and already it's filled with tropes about the wiki itself and its users. Assuming the actual content of the wiki is enough to trope, is it worth it to keep the page around?
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenAre FlameBait tropes allowed on Dethroning Moments of Suck?
Dethroning Moment of Suck itself is Flame Bait, some moments include Flame Bait tropes, and none of the guidelines on the main page forbid examples from including Flame Bait tropes, so I'm not sure.
openFanfic examples are not general violations?
- A good number of Spuffy fanfics focus on rewriting the largely very depressing season 6, bumping up the healthier and more amicable relationship dynamic for Buffy and Spike that developed in season 7 sooner and undoing all the angst their Destructive Romance caused for both of them. Some of them even make a point of letting Tara live on top of it.
- Many The Hobbit fics change canon events so that none of the main characters die during the Battle of Five Armies. Sometimes this is done by Bilbo or one of the dwarves being sent back in time; other times, the why and how of everyone surviving is left vague in a "look, canon had a helluva depressing ending and we all want to read something Lighter and Softer, so let's assume that everyone who died was just injured and pulled through, okay?" way.
- Many fans were not happy that Starlight Glimmer was Easily Forgiven at the end of the Season 5 finale. Some have taken it upon themselves to write fanfics where she receives proper comeuppance for her actions.
- In Step Right In and Start Again, because of Starlight's tampering with the time spell in the original episode, she has trapped herself in a permanent time loop where every day she reappears in Twilight's castle with no memory of the previous day, awaiting her punishment from Twilight and the Mane Six. It got a fix fic in the form of Starting Over Again
, where Twilight creates a magic crown for Starlight to wear that stores and retains her memories as she goes through each time loop. When she realizes that she is now immortal and will outlive every living thing in existence, Starlight devises a potion of eternal youth and gives it to her friends and the rest of Equestria to use. Everypony becomes an immortal alicorn, the races of Equestria explore and colonize the galaxy, and Starlight lives to the end of the universe with her friends, where her time loop is finally broken and she transforms into an alicorn like everyone else. The story ends with a new universe forming, with every character we know and love being present to watch it.
- In Step Right In and Start Again, because of Starlight's tampering with the time spell in the original episode, she has trapped herself in a permanent time loop where every day she reappears in Twilight's castle with no memory of the previous day, awaiting her punishment from Twilight and the Mane Six. It got a fix fic in the form of Starting Over Again
I worry these violate Examples Are Not General unless it lists at least one example of such fic.
Relating, most of the Starlight Glimmer examples were deleted as "evenge fics at best, and accusation fics at worst. If they truly were fix fics, they would have actually fixed what the author perceived as a problem, but instead they made them worse." Was that valid? How can we tell where it crosses to whick for and are they incompatible? And if Starlight getting karma un-fixes the Season 6 finale where's she's essential to it's happy ending, what then?
Mostly I'm asking if listing genres of fanworks per fandom need specific examples to be valid?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenIssues with Franchise/Creator/Genre Killer
Alright I'm kind of new here (having made few edits and having not posted in the forums) and this is my first ATT query, so forgive me if this isn't the right place or I am not the right person to be asking this, or if I am using incorrect formatting.
I have been half-paying attention to some of the cleanup threads of problematic tropes and pages, both Short-Term and Long-Term. It was brought up [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15523303630A12937700&page=12#comment-283
here] that the Genre Killer trope may be in need of a cleanup effort.
Looking at the trope right now, I am somewhat inclined to agree. While the description does say that a genre can be brought back from the dead, I agree that some of the examples of killed-off "genres" are a bit narrow, such as "live-action Dr. Seuss movies" or ""kid uses super-science and gadgets to deal with everyday life" cartoons," and I also agree that some examples don't define which work, if any, is the Killer, with examples including non-work related Killers such as quiz shows being killed off by a major scandal and not a specific failure, or Gangsta Rap being killed off by the murders of Tupac Shakur and The Notorious B.I.G.. (I have admittedly made a questionable and possibly invalid edit myself to the Music page describing how an album's success killed off the success of a completely different genre, so I apologize for that.)
The reason I bring this up here rather than in the thread where this was originally brought up is because upon further inspection, I believe the other Killer tropes to have their own issues. Creator Killer has examples (such as Milli Vanilli) describing careers destroyed by scandals rather than works (I believe if I am correct that Role-Ending Misdemeanor covers that) or some examples that outright mention a Career Resurrection. Franchise Killer, meanwhile, has problems with examples describing multiple Killers despite the trope description and Laconic stating that only one film can be a Killer, along with some other questionable examples in general (such as one directly quoted as describing the death of "the whole idea of the "peace, love and music" late-'60s outdoor rock festival that Monterey had pioneered and Woodstock made legendary," which isn't a franchise at all.)
Am I correct in assuming that these tropes may be in need of a cleanup? Or are there bigger issues with the tropes that would require more serious action?
openDoes Solas from Dragon Age: Inquisition count as a Greater Scope villain for the first 2 games? Videogame
For Elven characters, the evil god Fen'Harel is considered the evil god of their religion and culture, and part of the reason they suffer in the present, as they are a slave race to humans. But in Dragon Age: Inquisition, in the DLC Tresspasser, we learn that one of our companions, a mysterious elf named Solas, is really Fen'Harel himself, and that the gods of the Elves are mages so powerful, it might be safe to call them gods. We also learn that the only reason he sided with us, was to get the Eluvians so that he could use them to destroy modern Thedes and bring back a civilization he destroyed when he rebelled against his fellow mages. Solas claims he rebelled for a good cause, but in the end, he caused more harm then help as he separated Thedes from the Fade, robbing the Elves of their power, killing thousands of his own people, many of them innocents, and being the cause of the plights of the modern elves that we see in all three games. Does this qualigy him as a Greater Scope Villain? I say yes. What about you?
openNot Insane Troll Logic?
The examples in the entry from EFAP seem a bit too tame to me:
- Insane Troll Logic: A lot of people they cover use this, to which those on the podcast end up having to make sense of and respond to. Some examples include Jim Sterling saying that "there's noting about Joel that ain't loathsome" while showing the scene from Part II where Joel's taking Ellie to a museum at great risk to his own safety just so she can have fun, Browntable saying that "Just because the film isn't as good as The Dark Knight doesn't mean we should brush it aside as an inferior sequel" despite the fact that those two statements contradict one another, and Just Write saying that the reason the newer, less efficient bombers were used in The Last Jedi is because "most people don't know what a Y-wing is" despite the fact that there are Y-wings in the film released just before The Last Jedi.
Even just taking those at face value that they're accurate, they seem like sorta sloppy arguments at worst, and not up to the level the trope describes.
openFridge brilliance that isn't a fridge.
RafKen593
changed the first Fridge Brilliance on Animator vs. Animation to something that isn't really a fridge but a simple fact:
"Of course the Chosen One would defeat anyone who gets in his way."
It used to make sense before because it used to be an Harry Potter reference (Of course the Chosen One would eventually triumph over the Dark Lord) and I tried to tell him that what he put wasn't a Fridge but he wasn't intersted in changing it back or asking on Ask The Tropers to see if it is really a Fridge, so I'm asking myself now: Does the first Fridge of this page count as a Fridge ?
openDubious Trope Namers Western Animation
TropeNamers.The Simpsons lists Glove Slap and The Dog Was the Mastermind. Glove Slap seems like too generic a term to be named by The Simpsons, while TropeNamers.Video Games lists Silent Hill 2 as the trope namer. The Dog Was the Mastermind page itself says in the description that the Silent Hill 2 joke ending is the Trope Namer in the description and the video games folder, while also saying in the Western Animation folder that the trope is named after the Simpsons episode "Beyond Blunderdome". "Beyond Blunderdome" aired in 1999, while Silent Hill 2 came out in 2001. SimCity is also listed as the Trope Namer for Not in My Backyard!, while according to Wikipedia, the term dates back to at least 1980.
openImage for Music/MeganTheeStallion Music
Andiman keeps changing the Image for the page without a given reason. Said image he changes it to is too big for the page and it’s a selfie. I tried making a thread but nothing has been done about it.
openA very difficult case of AffablyEvil vs FauxAffablyEvil.
I know I just asked about a similar case earlier, but there's an even more complicated case of a character being listed as both, and in this case, I'm genuinely wondering if he doesn't zigzag between the two in the one and only episode where he appears:
Dr. Dave from CSI. Both tropes are listed on the series' page:
- "Affably Evil: Doctor Dave, the serial-killing dentist from the episode "Sweet Jane". He has a pleasant chat with Catherine about loving his work (dentistry, not serial killing), and how he especially takes care to make a child's first trip to the dentist the least frightening and painful as possible. And when she confronts him about his crimes, not only does he never once deny that he is, in fact, a murderer, he describes the killings in the same affectionate tone that he just described trying to make a trip to the dentist less scary for kids. Ned Beatty's note-perfect performance was a complete blend of utterly friendly and utterly scary-creepy.
- To push this even farther, when Catherine is trying to mix the putty for his dental impression, he remarks that she's not quite doing it right and does both the mixing and the impression himself; again, as politely as one could possibly be while fessing up to being a serial killer."
- "Faux Affably Evil: No greater example than Doctor Dave from the episode "Sweet Jane", a very nice Cool Old Guy and dentist who does gags to keep kids from being afraid when they visit him... and he is also an utterly unapologetic Serial Killer who targeted girls that had just arrived to town and was not caught for decades (it helped him that he only felt the urge to kill at least once a decade or so) and he said that he still could recall the girls' names but refused to tell the police (so they would remain Jane Does forever) in the same peppy tone he used to chide Catherine about how she wasn't mixing the dental template gel right."
I hate to bother you all, but this seems...complicated.
openWicks to a Main redirect as if it were a trope
Today, I discovered Main.Rebel Without A Cause. The page itself is actually just a redirect to the film Rebel Without a Cause. Since we don’t want Main redirect like this, I thought that I should clean out the wicks and cutlist the redirect.
However, looking through the Main.Rebel Without A Cause wicks, I discovered something really strange: most of the wicks used the redirect as if it were a trope page for some reason.
Do we have an actual trope like this? If not, then maybe the redirect could become an actual trope (although it would still have to be cut and launched through the TLP)?

I suspect these examples from EnsembleDarkhorse.Pokemon are to major characters/intended to be popular to count.
Greninja was effectively main character of Ash's Kalos team that series, and fro m the species the creators correctly predicted would become a Breakout Character. This seems too major to count.
Rowlet, Torracat, Meltan, and Lycanroc are the near entity of Ash team witch seems too major to count. Meltan was specially to promote the new Mon in the games. Lycanroc might count.
Dragonite, Gengar, and Riolu were the entity of Ash team when they achieved their popularity. Gengar and Riolu "giving Ash long-requested teammates" means they were supposed to be popular for such. Dragonite might count.
I've long wonder if any of Ash's team (save Charizard who codified the darkhorse traits) are too major characters to count as the seem like main characters. I'd make an exception for any of them minor enough to be Out of Focus / Put on a Bus in-series as opposed to the end of the season per the norm. Thoughts?
I asked Ensemble Darkhorse Cleanup
but was ignored.