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openMobile freezing up
Not sure if this is the place to bring it up, but is anyone else having trouble on mobile on this site ? I can't open folders, spoiler tags, or even check my profile/messages while on my phone, so I'm wondering if the site is getting some maintenance or if the problem is my phone itself ?
openIffy reviews?
Do these reviews feel like self-promoting (not of the work, of the reviewer) or am I just paranoid?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/reviews.php?target_group=Webcomic&target_title=CycleOfLuv
openBlank WMG/DeadByDaylight
Dead by Daylight is completely blank for some reason. We can still see the words through Edit, but we can't see them on the page itself. I feel there is a bug.
open Pinokio
I didn't want to have to bring this to ATT, but the user Pinokio has a bad TLP record and isn't taking much of our advice.
Their drafts suffer from nitpicky definitions, improper formatting, walls of text, and a general trend of being confusing and more about meta stuff than actual tropes. Here are
their
three drafts.
Their edit history dates back to at least '19, so hopefully they're at least doing things properly on the wiki itself.
Edit: Just after posting this, I found them making a new bad draft (linked below), a wall-of-text in a forum thread (linked), and a bad TRS thread
.
openTroper who may need to spend time in Get Help with English
One of the examples recently added to the Halloween Costume Characterization thread shows a poor grasp of English. It was posted by Aukefi. Quoted in full:
"Zigzagged in Trick R Treat, in which it's a recurring motif that one's costume hints at their personality, like a girl wearing a witch costume being knowledgeable of the traditions and superstitions of Halloween, but sometimes they're inverted, examples include a young woman dressed as Little Red Riding Hood turning out to be a werewolf, a girl dressed as an angel turning out to be a massive Jerkass."
It's one big run-on sentence and not well expressed. A quick look at some of their other edits suggest similar issues. They may need to be sent to the Get Help With English forum for a brush-up.
I've expressed concern with the example being added in unedited by the trope sponsor and said they can't launch until it's fixed. I'm also not inclined to edit it myself given that the trope sponsor seems reluctant to include the earlier edits I've suggested.
Link to the proposed trope is here
.
openProposed MisBlamed addition.
Per this Aesop cleanup
, I intend to ad this to My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic S3 E13 "Magical Mystery Cure".
- Mis-blamed: Many fans criticize the episode over the alleged Broken Aesop about not accepting a destiny you don't want only for Twilight to accept her destiny of becoming an alicorn princess despite never wanting such. But the actual Aesop, delivered extra-unsubtly through the song "A True, True Friend" is about helping friends in need and find their true selfs which Twilight did do and earn her destiny for or at worst was unrelated as opposed to contradicting it.
Is this a valid example?
Could this situation also fall under Clueless Aesop as it was delivered in such a fantastical way many misinterpreted the intended Aesop?
openBrewing edit war
This is a little thing, but FFaddict
created the page AwesomeMusic.Gameboys and put the names of the tracks on the page in italics; per multiple style guides (here's the Other Wiki's take, for a start
), short track names go in quotes, not italics, so I changed them to quotes (as well as sending a grammar notifier for other issues on the page). They reverted them to italics without an edit reason or acknowledging the notifier. So I probably strayed into edit war territory myself by re-reverting them to quotes and sending them a customised notifier explaining that song titles go in quotes. They have since re-re-reverted them to italics, again without an edit reason or acknowledging the notifier.
I know I should have come here after the first reversion, for which I apologise. But I'm getting off this merry-go-round while I still can; it's clear they aren't listening.
Edited by mlsmithcaopenDMOS Advertising
On DethroningMoment.Advertising, there are several different entries made by the same tropers (myself included, admittedly), but about advertising from different products. Other genre works allow repeated examples as long as they're not repeating the same moment from the same show/movie/etc, so what's the standard for DMOS on advertising? Is it a DMOS for all advertising, in which the repeated entries wouldn't be allowed, or just a DMOS for those specific brands' advertising campaigns, in which the repeated examples are okay if they're for different franchises? (This would also make it clearer whether examples that refer to entire campaigns can be cut, since they may be the nadir of advertisement in general, but too general for a specific campaign.)
Edited by mightymewtronopenTwo similar tropes
What's the difference between Swap Teleportation and Switch-Out Move? On one hand they appear to feel distinct, and on the other they feel like a case of one of them being The Same, but More Specific. I would like some clarification as I've found myself getting confused over these two tropes.
openEdit War
On Creator.Allison Pregler, Gemma
added the following:
to a second-bulletpoint, to this:
SailorTardis
removed both the second level-bulletpoint and the last sentence as Natter.
Gemma has since then added this to the above example:
openAre meta-examples okay in YMMV?
Somebody mentioned adding a trope to a work page, about the fans of a work (and not the work itself) crossing the line twice. Is that okay? Not okay?
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenWiki Word for VideoGame.LostSmileAndStrangeCircus in lowercase (RESOLVED)
It reads like this: Lost Smile and Strange Circus, as a custom Wiki Word.
I've never played the games, but I stumbled upon this title while editing MonsterClown.Video Games. The game's title is written this way on its page, but the page image seems to use normal capitalization. I searched it up, and the title seems to be capitalized normally. I'd ask for a Wiki Word change myself, but I'm afraid of jumping the gun. Anyone more familiar with the work, is there any good reason for this odd capitalization? (I'm not sure if this would be good for here or Wiki Talk, but I thought it would be safe to post here.)
Edited by antenna_earsopenTroper changing a lot of stuff without discussions Live Action TV
Troper robin8821
seems to be on a editing spree for character pictures.
While that in itself is not something bad, he has changed a whole lot of stuff (see here
) without any discussion I could see.
He seems to replace a lot of pictures and even outright
delete
some of them, without any real apparent reason.
Edit: Keeps going
as we speak. I honestly think most of his pictures aren't an improvement, quite the contrary.
EDIT 2: He also left a whole lot of "Some caption text" captions.
Edited by ForenperseropenTrope Repair Shop? Videogame
Can someone tell me what constitutes trope misuse?
I noticed irregularities on the Stance System and took it to the repair shop. But unbeknowst to me, misuse is a very loaded term on this site and I didn't have a firm enough case.
When is it serious enough to warrant a new thread, and if it isn't that serious, should I just open a discussion tab on the trope itself, or is there some other forum thread?
open A cleanup thread for No Lewdness No Prudishness
Do we have a cleanup thread for lewdness? Specifically, I'm working on my The Nostalgia Critic cleanup and a lot of examples on- and off-page seem unnecessarily focused on fetish crap, which unfortunately extends to some wicks for Doug Walker himself. I'm sure some other pages have this issue as well.
I don't want to jump right into making a thread if we don't have one already, especially since collecting bad NSFW examples might be a content violation in itself, but sometimes I can't tell whether I'm being too prudish wanting to delete certain examples or if keeping them there is just bringing the page quality down.
openYMMV Nostalgia Critic Edit War?
During my cleanup for The Nostalgia Critic and its subpages, I deleted this Seasonal Rot entry on the basis that it doesn't describe why the whole season was bad, just focusing more on the show being Overshadowed by Controversy by an external scandal and two bad episodes out of a season of over fifty.
- In 2019, the decline has continued. Since the #ChangeTheChannel scandal, the Nostalgia Critic has increasingly become the target of ridicule in many internet circles. His review of The Wall was so widely hated that it became a meme in and of itself. The episode's lacking quality also lead viewers to start becoming more critical of future episodes, and even reflect on the flaws of past episodes initially given a free pass. The "Maybe he was transitioning" line from the Venom review wasn't received well in certain circles, either (though even in-universe, it was viewed as a dumb explanation). Even on This Very Wiki, there hasn't been as much activity regarding more recent episodes.
minikiss just re-added it
, but cut out the ChangeTheChannel and Venom mentions. However, the example still doesn't stand because it only refers to a single episode and the implication that the episode being bad made people more critical of other episodes, past and future, which doesn't indicate that particular season (or even the "recent" seasons, since it includes past episodes) being bad.
They also added a Hype Backlash entry which may or may not fit. Personally I don't think it does because the show's reputation has plummeted in recent years, so thinking it's bad now isn't really Hype Backlash - that's the common consensus.
Edited by mightymewtronopenEdit War
Okay, so continuing from this thread
: Suave Augustine and Yoyospinner 17 are edit warring in Friends: Main Characters. The main point of contention is the Deadpan Snarker trope, with both of them repeatedly undoing each other's edits across multiple folders. This despite the fact that multiple notifiers have been sent and at least three tropers (War Jay 77, annette12 and myself) have made the argument that none of the characters in question fit the trope. They are also unhiding Zero-Context Examples without expanding on them.
openInformed Wrongness/Strawman Has a Point duplicate?
- Informed Wrongness: Danny using his powers to not only defend himself from Dash (like turning his chin intangible when Dash tries to punch him in the face) but openly fight back after Dash refuses to leave him alone, are explicitly stated by Sam and Vlad to be Danny going down a dark path, using his powers selfishly, and becoming more like Vlad, even though Danny has every right to not get bullied anymore. Asking Dash nicely never worked, so if using his ghost powers is what it takes to make Dash back off, Danny has every right to do so.
- Strawman Has a Point: Raise your hand if you agree with Danny that by now it's ridiculous that he keeps letting Dash pick on him when he has ghost powers and can use it to fight back, and finally get Dash to leave him alone.
They're saying the same thing, so which one is the better fit? It was asked what was the diffence between Informed Wrongness and Strawman Has a Point but if fizzled out without results.
If Strawaman is a sub-trope of Informed Wrongness, what makes is different/more specific?
I lean to cutting Strawaman as Danny is a normal character holding the Jerkass Ball as opposed to a strawman, who is created/exists entirely to be wrong. That a good distinction?
Or is Designated Evil a better fit as such retaliation is morally wrong but it fails to present a viable morally better alternative.
How is this for a distinction between the three?
- Informed Wrongness: A hero does somthing that's treaded as morally undesirable (like giving away free food) without showing how it is.
- Designated Evil: A hero does somthing that's morally undesirable (like Killing in Self-Defense) without showing viable alternatives.
- Strawman Has a Point: A character created to be morally wrong does somthing that's morally undesirable but has untintentionally valid reasons/argments for such.

So most of the character pages for Legend of Zelda games have a character/game navigation bar at the top of the page, like so. I saw someone put it on the character page for the upcoming Age of Calamity spin-off game, but not add the game itself to the bar. Which got me wondering if it would be a good idea to update the navigation bar on all the Zelda character pages to include the bigger spin-off games that have such pages, like the Hyrule Warriors games, Cadence of Hyrule, and the CD-i games. (I'd say Ripened Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love as well, but its character page is so lacking, I'm wondering why it even exists.) So should I go ahead and do this?
Edited by RacattackForce