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openEdit War on Sonic X: Dark Chaos (and also rudeness)
PrincessPandaTrope Edit-Warred and reverted an edit I made on the Laconic page for Sonic X: Dark Chaos to the earlier version she wrote, with the motivation "Oh, you're here again. Isn't the original okay?"
I figured that instead of joining the Edit War, I'd ask all you fine folks which version you prefer.
And to answer her question of what's wrong: The original uses "crapsack" as an adjective and not a noun, which as far as I know is wrong. That's why I used "crappy" instead. Also, it's a bit too long, so I removed one "really" from "really, really, really". This is supposed to be the Laconic version, after all.
EDIT: In retrospect, I realize that I should have inserted all this in the actual page edit reason. Stupid of me not to. (Also, I probably should have shortened it more, but that's a different story.)
Link
to the edit I mentioned.
SECOND EDIT: Also, she corrected an entry of Black Comedy Rape with the reason "That wasn't played for laughs. What the fuck is wrong with you?!?!"
As far as I know, the correction itself is completely appropriate, but the rudeness...
openCovering a whole example of a work with a spoiler tag bar the Trope itself?
Bittersweet Ending: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP
Is this an acceptable method for editing here?
openQuestion regarding a fanfic that exists.... but not in a form you expect
While browsing through the Tv Tropes, I have found entries for a MLP fanfic called "Ancient Sins", and it does have a page here
There is just one problem: the page itself is completely bereft of tropes: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/AncientSins
Plus, while the fanfic does sort of exists, it is all so far, per my searches, just a wiki: https://custom-characters.fandom.com/wiki/Custom_characters_Wiki
There is no actual written narrative fanfic yet (outside of the wiki entries that detail histories and also details of characters)
What to do here?
openLego Marvel Superheores Game nightmare fuel Videogame
The fact the Norman Osborn was experimenting on innocent employees with Vemon trapping them in containers to make them into half Vemon monsters goons speaks for it self
openSimilarly Named Works In Universe
Are In-Universe examples allowed on Similarly-Named Works? The example I had in mind was Girls With Low Self-Esteem and Families With Low Self-Esteem from Arrested Development.
Edited by BKelly95openSamus Aran from Metroid: Soldier or Warrior? Videogame
With regards to the trope Soldier vs. Warrior there is a list of distinguished soldiers and warriors and clashing ideologies listed as examples. If I may submit a question to the more well-read and better-researched Tropers for discussion and consideration:
Is the protagonist of the Metroid series, Samus Aran, as she is currently portrayed in the playable games of the franchise, considered better fitting the Soldier archetype, or the Warrior archetype? Or neither?
I understand that part of her backstory, as depicted in titles such as Other M, as well as in media outside of video games (such as the e-Manga) does place her as a soldier in the Galactic Federation army. However, Other M also depicts that she does get to be a bit headstrong and doubting of orders, with the example given regarding the tragedy of Ian Malkovich's sacrifice by a command decision from Samus's C.O. She may have questioned his order - and her internal monologue reflects this as well - but doesn't disobey his order at all. In this regard, she does - or did - lean towards Soldier.
However, after leaving the Federation, the English canon tells us that she became a "bounty hunter", which we can interpret as just becoming a freelancer and occasional contract mercenary. In Japan, the generally-accepted "closest" translation is "Space Warrior", as she is marked among an elite class of freelancer specializing in missions few can pull off, and in being an expert combatant. However, based on what's in the Soldier vs. Warrior trope page, it doesn't seem like she fits the Warrior archetype much at all. She doesn't really do it for the glory, or to aggrandize herself, or as some test of strength or out of a sense of competition.
But at the same time, she doesn't currently still fit the Soldier role either. She says on occasion that she works alone, by choice, and hasn't worked under direct authority from military C.O.s since leaving the service, with the two exceptions being in Other M and in Metroid Fusion.
So is Samus an example of a zigzagging of this trope? Or some strange deconstruction of it? Or not in this index at all? I'd like to get a well-researched answer, as I just lack the understanding and the nuances of Tropology to really get how to go about answering this.
Thank you ahead of time!
Edited by Miles07openWhat happened.
I was working on a trope called "Bludgeoned To Death" in the launchpad. Earlier I found that the trope was launched even though I didn't do it myself. A few hours later and the trope is now back on the launchpad. Title.
Edited by DreamScrapeopenKaifuku Jutsushi no Yarinaoshi cleanup required? Anime
I mentioned this in the Winter Anime 2021 thread, I have not read the light novels or manga. So I didn't want to make changes to the page myself.
I got kind of a skeevy/immature vibe from how parts of this page
is written.
Specifically the "Let the party begin." part and basically all of the times Karmic Rape is potholed. For a specific example see the Karmic Rape trope. It just feels like the article is tacitly approving of those actions.
The thing is, I'm not sure if this is against the wiki policy, or if it should be left as is.
openDo we write that Elliot Page is non-binary?
As I mentioned in a previous post, Elliot Page has come out as transgender, and his pronouns are he/him and they/them. However, many call him non-binary even though he himself never used that term about himself (to the best of my knowledge.
I removed the term non-binary from his page, but it was added back with the explanation that "GLAAD has stated that they are non-binary, so I’ll take their word on it
."
However, in the public statement by Elliot Page that GLAAD use as their source, Page never once uses the term non-binary.
Thoughts?
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopen Slow-motion grocery items dropping Film
What do you call this trope: The unsuspecting character, ofttimes a mafioso, is innocently carrying his groceries out of the store, or into his home, etc and is then ambushed by a gun-wielding assailant. The assault itself is typically off-screen while the camera instead goes into slow-motion, focuses on the groceries (fruit, produce, raw pasta, etc) slowly tumbling and rolling away on the ground, and which might be followed up by a puddle of blood then pooling near the spilled groceries. The music accompanying the slow-motion trope is operatic or classical music coming to a crescendo as this little scene plays out.
Edited by icebergopenFanfic trope page is connected to actual trope Western Animation
Could you please help me? I was creating a fanfic trope page but the name of the story happened to be La Resistance and that's a trope itself. So, now it connects the fanfic trope page with the actual trope itself. Is there a way to fix that?
openCreator naming/name changes
As this can be a sensitive topic, I'll try to approach this carefully, so apologies if I end up sounding offensive or insensitive, I'm not trying to be.
I can't recall if Tv Tropes has a policy (written or otherwise) about Creator names if the creator is transgender/non-binary. I know we respect the creator's self-identification. The question I have, though, is about mentioning/not mentioning the creator's former name(s) to avoid deadnaming.
For reference, The Other Wiki has pages on this
in their manual of style, including a part that says not to mention a transgender individual's former name if it is not well-known or widely-reported.
Now, obviously we're not Wikipedia, so what are TV Tropes' rules on transgender/non-binary creators who were well-known by or released works under their former name(s). Trying to avoid causing problems.
openCleaning up a Nightmare Fuel page. Web Original
The Nightmare Fuel page for Marble Hornets has a couple entries that focus more on the larger Slenderverse/Slender Man Mythos/Slenderman as a concept, rather than the series itself. I'm wondering if it's a legal move to remove them or edit them way down, given that they aren't entirely relevant. There's also a few entries talking about extra-canonical things like the DVDs and ways real life might make the series scarier, and I'm not sure those should be there either. Any thoughts on what can or should be cut?
Edited by AnomalousEvolutionopen Potential Nazi Apologia?
On YMMV.Extra Credits, this comment was added by Supreme Interceptor under Critical Research Failure regarding this video
:
- Despite what Dan might have you believe about every last soldier in the Nazi military being Nazis and German, not all of them were Nazis or even German. The Nazis had plenty of formations made up of non-German conscripts and auxiliaries that fought under their command including White Russians
, Serbians
, Finns
, and Armenians
. And even more than this, it is a well-known fact that Hitler made an effort to recruit Muslims
from Eastern European ethnic groups like Albanians, Tatars and Bosniaks into the Schutzstaffel's ranks
.
The video itself is controversial, to say the least, but this seems like both A) misuse of Critical Research Failure, as the topic wasn't related much to the video anyway, and B) potentially trying to whitewash the Nazis, saying that they weren't that racist. Is it just me, or does this seem problematic?
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
openZettai Ryouiki's widespread ZCEs and back-and-fourth
For a long while now, Zettai Ryouiki has presented problem after problem to the wiki. Thread
after thread
after thread
has been made about it. Most recently, this thread
has mostly agreed it is a ZCE magnet that may need to be massively changed, if not cut. And yet, every time, nothing is done, or only superficial solutions like restricting it to A or S subtypes are implemented. But the problem of the ZCEs still remains. So, I made a post
at the end of said thread to revive it, but basically I want something to be done. I will probably do a wick check and take it to TRS myself, but I still want to hear your thoughts.
openTheyChangedItNowItSucks misuse?
- They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: Adam Malkovich behaves nothing like the AI from Fusion, Samus's recollection of him from Fusion, or even the manga version of himself. Instead of being a reasonable authority figure with a warm bond with Samus as the only CO she ever respected, he comes off as a Jerk with a Heart of Jerk at best and a sociopath at worst.
I think this is misuse as: 1. The work does attempt to portray him as "reasonable authority figure" who's becoming cold to Samus has an in-work explanation, it just does a very bad job at portraying it. 2. His characterization would likely have been just as unpopular even if it didn't replace his prior depiction.
The They Changed It, Now It Sucks! page sounds like it's only supposed to apply to changes in adaptations. But is seems like it's used for any complaints, the sort of thing that got restrictions placed on other tropes. Does it has such restrictions?
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
openCan a Mental Monster be the Big Bad?
I am disputing with a Troper who removed my Big Bad entry for Confess My Love because they said that the demonic!Liza does not mastermind anything and Willie’s torment is self-inflicted. I argue that since Demon!Liza embodies Willie’s inability to move on and must be overcome for him to pass on, therefore the entity does qualify as the Big Bad. The Troper also said that Pyramid Head is not the Big Bad of Silent Hill 2 (because they are just a mindless beast), when they are basically the only Troper I have seen argue that- just about the entire rest of the wiki seems to agree that Pyramid Head is the Big Bad because he is the monster most frequently getting in James’ way, despite being his guilt over killing his wife. So can a Mental Monster qualify as the Big Bad?
Edited by MasterNopenComplaining?
Alinho Alisson has been editing The Lion King (1994), but his entries tend to demonize the protagonist while excusing the antagonist's actions. These include arguing that Simba wouldn't fare much better as a king than Scar did
; claiming that the lions uphold a totalitarian system that damages the environment
; and saying that the hyenas are only motivated by hunger, despite the film blatantly showcasing how cruel and sadistic they really are
.
The first two examples have already been deleted (the former by Alinho himself, with no explanation; the other one by me, with a rather long edit reason), while the third one has been added today. They all read like Complaining About Shows You Don't Like to me, but I would like to read other people's opinions before I took further action.
openIs there a page cleanup in general thread?
See title. I recently stumbled upon With Pearl and Ruby Glowing, which despite the page being created in 2019, has hallmarks of early-day page creation, with loads of misindentation, natter/word cruft, use of Trivia and YMMV tropes in Main (including Complete Monster!), general examples, and even some trope slashing (very little ZCEs, though, surprisingly). However, the page and the work itself are long as shit, and considering the main subject matter, I don't really feel comfortable messing with anything on the page...
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast

hello, I'm new to your site and I don't know if these scenes would be classified as a balcony wooing scene https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BalconyWooingScene
or not under your site's rules. they are from the tv series How I Met Your Mother. I am arguing that not only are they balcony wooing scenes but that they are the best balcony wooing scene ever! I'm frankly kind of annoyed and amused they weren't already included as I feel they were a pivotal part of that series identity.
the first scene is from season one episode one "pilot" after the protagonist ted meets a girl named robin in his local bar he takes her out on a date at a restaurant the following day. after their date is interrupted by robin being called away for her job and ted feeling he may have messed the date up he discided to steal the blue french horn that robin commented on in the restaurant to use as a grand romantic gesture, he rings up to her apartment and she sticks her head out the window where upon ted offers it up to her as a grand romantic gesture.
here's the clip of the scene from youtube https://youtu.be/qUWoWAA8M3o you
can also search " How I Met Your Mother – Pilot clip6"
I would argue that this is a wooing scene as he brought the blue french horn as a grand romantic gesture. as mentioned in the description of balcony wooing scenes the Grand Romantic Gesture is a trope associated with balcony wooing scenes, they may have not shared any words like you would see in traditional balcony wooing scenes but the gesture was more than enough to convey teds message making talk meiningless IMO.
the second scene is from the season one finally (episode 22) "Come On" Ted shows up at his now ex-girlfriend Robin's apartment he calls out to her and she opens her window. they start a conversation and she then asks why he was there he replied "Because I made it rain!".
the reason why this is relevant is because he spent half a day performing a rain dance to make it rain so she would have to stay home and not go camping with a potential love rival after she rejected his first advance.
he goes up to her apartment and they embrace each other. after a cut scene ted narrates how that was how he and Robin got together.
here's the clip of the scene from youtube https://youtu.be/y8fTcd_ZeJk you
can also search "How I Met Your Mother - Ending of Season 1 Finale"here's an alternative version https://youtu.be/TIGU1GWy-pI you
can also search "Ted and Robin Getting back Together (How I Met Your Mother)"
I would argue that this was a balcony wooing scene because he called out to her and they had a conversation through the window ledge not to mention he offered the rain as a grand romantic gesture. all these are traits associated with balcony wooing scenes.
the third scene is from the final episode of How I Meet Your Mother series (season 9 episode 24) for context this takes place 25 years after the first two scenes. After being told by his kids and Ted realizing it for himself, that he is still in love with Robin. Ted decided to show up at Robin's apartment with the blue french horn that he gave to her after their first date leading to the mirroring of the events of the pilot episode.
here's the clip of the scene from youtube https://youtu.be/nW82fRNJc84 you
can also search "How I Met Your Mother - Ending Scene"
all I have to say is all these scenes individually would likely be dismissed as an insignificant homage to the balcony wooing scene because of their short time shown but combined it's irrefutable that they are significant enough to be included in the list of balcony wooing scenes.
I have gone ahead and posted them already in the style of the others around it. I had problems formating it so it's not properly displayed though. I would like to add the links to the videos showing the scenes but I don't know if that's allowed or really how to do it in the first place. I welcome you to edit/fix them if you wish but please don't delete them without explaining why here first. thank you.