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open Music-Inspired narratives? Music
Honestly, this could be a trope itself. I’m thinking of music-inspired narratives like Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Space Dandy, Afro Samurai, Baby Driver, ETC.
Name more music-inspired narratives. Maybe this could be its own article or something.
Edited by TheBryceKrispyopenNo Title
- Win Back the Crowd:
- Depending on who you ask, the game itself is an example of this.note Many people legitimately liked the New Super Mario Bros. games when they were released. When it was first announced, a lot of people were not impressed and already wrote it off due to it not being a game in the vein of Super Mario Galaxy or being "Super Mario 3D Land HD". Or New Mario Bros crossed with Mario 3D Land. But when the October 1 trailer went up, it changed a lot of people's minds about the game and restored interest to those who are/were tired of Mario platformers because of the New Super Mario Bros. series. Then the game actually came out and blew folks away with the amount of thought and creativity put into the title along with new visuals and music. It actually feels like a new game rather than a retreadnote Which some felt the New Super Mario Bros. games were with new power-ups thrown in. The multiplayer aspect certainly helped as well.
- The new Bowser's Fury mode also wound up doing this to the Switch port. Initially, the port was written off as yet another lazy decision on Nintendo's part and not being worth $60. (Being announced at the same time as Super Mario 3D All-Stars, another controversial decision by Nintendo, didn't help much either). Come further information on the new mode, however, and more people had their interest peaked, including a Super Saiyan-esque form for Mario, a dark and intimidating new form for Bowser, and being an open-world collect-a-thon platformer in the vein of Super Mario Odyssey.
Can Win Back the Crowd even apply if the audience wasn't interested in the work initially? That'd be Win The Crowd, correct? Also, I remember people were excited for Bowser's Fury when it was announced, I don't remember anyone going "oh this is just another switch port so it'll blow", especially with the teaser at the end.
openMods Tropes.
If we want to make Trope examples of mods, say Friday Night Funkin', then how do we go about it? No Mods for that game are really long enough to warrant their own Trope pages, but can fit several tropes and are fairly professionally made.
This is true for a lot of works. For example, the Inigo mod for Skyrim is very in depth and has many tropes that people might be interest in posting somewhere without needing to make a whole new Trope page for it. Since the Inigo mod its own world, but exclusive to Skyrim we don't need a page for it, but Inigo, himself, fits many tropes.
Edited by Thecommander236openEdit war
Back in 2018, I added this to the YMMV page for Memoirs of a Geisha here
:
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Sayuri about three-quarters through the book. Though she starts off very sympathetic in her Trauma Conga Line and Break the Cutie moments, it becomes very clear that she's willing to do pretty much anything just to get with the Chairman. This includes screwing over her closest companions and showing no remorse for doing so. Values Dissonance also ensues once it's revealed that the Chairman was married the whole time.
The Lucky Cat added this subbullet to it:
- However, given the time period and constraints on women are the time, Sayuri is often forced into doing things she doesn't want to do, either by Mother or Mameha, it's somewhat understandable that she'd do anything she could to try and achieve some lasting happiness, as the only alternative is to be forced into a loveless relationship or spend the rest of her life as a maid. Her choices are to either suffer her entire life or screw over a couple of people to get what she wants, and it's shown she feels terrible about the way things broke down between her and Nobu, but she simply wanted to be with the man she loved and unfortunately couldn't pursue him freely until a lot of hardship is thrown her way.
Lucky Cat also added lines to the Unintentionally Sympathetic entry for Nobu. Originally the entry said that Nobu came off as justifiably angry because Sayuri led him on and betrayed him, while Lucky Cat's addition (which begins with "However") is that Nobu comes off as Entitled to Have You and tried to make Sayuri indebted to him.
Queen of Swords deleted the subbullet for Unintentionally Unsympathetic for being Natter and being a justifying edit.
Last December, Lucky Cat edited the Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry to this:
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Sayuri about three-quarters through the book. Though she starts off very sympathetic in her Trauma Conga Line and Break the Cutie moments, it becomes very clear that she's willing to do pretty much anything just to get with the Chairman, though like she herself points out, it's either that or be little more than an indentured servant to Mother for the rest of her life and much of her career was orchestrated by Mameha and The Chairman. Values Dissonance also ensues once it's revealed that the Chairman was married the whole time.
This seems like an edit war to me, and the new edit still seems justifying. Can I get some feedback from other Tropers?
Edited by iamconstantineopenSelf demonstration on We Didn't Start the Billy Joel Parodies
Is the description of We Didn't Start the Billy Joel Parodies taking it too far?
openWhat kind of page do mods and fanmade songs for Friday Night Funkin go into? Videogame
So, I'm the main guy who launched and frequently checks the Friday Night Funkin' page, and as I've been looking around the edit histories, it's become evident that a few tropers would like to add examples of mods/fan created songs to pages like Awesome Music and Nightmare Fuel. I for one think that FNF has a healthy modding community ripe with lots of examples and I was hoping that these would breath new life into the page during the lulls of waiting for the game itself to be updated, so I tried making a fan works page, since you can't add examples of mods to main pages. Unfortunately, I used the page incorrectly (Accidentally. My bad.) and it got cut. I can only assume that we should use the Fanfic Recs option? I'm a little confused on the matter since I wouldn't really consider game mods fanfics.
Edited by GraysonBaueropenReligiousAndMythologicalThemeNaming and a Halo franchise example with possible spoilers Videogame
My main concern is how to write this so as to avert creating a Self-Fulfilling Spoiler. The Flood in Halo is very clearly named after the Genesis flood narrative, but how would I go about adding this in to the page without creating a Self-Fulfilling Spoiler since in the backstory, the Flood were effectively created as a means to purge the Forerunners, who retaliated by creating an Ark to preserve most species?
Edited by EclipseMTopen Troper seems to have a problem with "bashing" Fairy Tail.
A troper by the name of Zero Hunter
seems to have a Single-Issue Wonk when it comes to the series Fairy Tail. They appear to be going on to random pages and deleting examples that they believe are "bashing" the series.
I'm sure this would be fine, but I feel a problem arrises when their edit reason only consist of the phrase "Getting rid of pointless bashing." and nothing else, leaving no actual reason as to how these examples are bashing the series. Some examples include this edit
for Ms. Fanservice (which also turned two examples into Zero-Context Examples), outright deleting several tropes
from the series' YMMV page (which have since been restored), and editing other tropers
predictions on the series' WMG page (which, as far as I'm aware, isn't against the rules, but is considered extremely rude), among many other edits.
Basically, I feel this troper may be a problem and should probably be discussed.
Edit: After looking through their edit history a bit more, I've also noticed that Zero seems to do the same with EDENS ZERO (a manga by the same author of Fairy Tail), as seen with their edits
to one of the series' character pages.
Also, while I've tried to avoid being rude in this post, after looking through their edits, I feel at this point I should say this: It seems that Zero's definition of "bashing" is actually "anything I perceive as slightly negative to these series" (even when the trope itself isn't negative in nature).
Edited by lpk675openWhat to do with this?
YMMV.The Mandalorian S 1 E 1 Chapter 1 The Mandalorian
- "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: The Running Gag of IG-11 trying to self-destruct when his situation goes remotely south turns into this after Chapter 8, where he uses his self-destruct mechanism for a Heroic Sacrifice in a scene that isn't played for humor.
Recap pages are Spoilers Off, so when to we allow or not allow spoilers for later works? Removing the spoiler part would leave "The Running Gag of IG-11 trying to self-destruct when his situation goes remotely south turns into this after Chapter 8." which sounds like a Zero-Context Examples as it doesn't explain how.
Also, as part of the same season they were written alongside each other so it was probably intentional by the writer. Does "Funny Aneurysm" Moment count for deliberate examples or is that Chekhov's Gag played for drama.
openPage with little source
I was planning on making a second character page for the series Gamaran focused on the characters appearing in the second part of the series, Gamaran Shura. However, the point is....
As mentioned on the main manga page, Shura, while still ongoing (first came out in 2018) is still so far Japanese-only, as I've yet to see even a translated scan, and only a handful of chapters are avaible in a Japanese site. I got most of the info (including something I've already added to the pages of Gamaran itself by getting info from the Japanese Wikipedia page dedicated to Gamaran.
I was thinking of making the character page using the information I got from that page, doing my best with what I understood from that page. I'd rather want to know in advance if I can give it a shot, or if it's too far fetched. It's not much, but I swear I'll do my best.
Ps: The "second character page" is both because Shura is a sequel and because I don't want to put too many examples in a single character page.
Edited by MukademaohopenIssues concerning WMG/FIsForFamily
Recently, an Edit War has broken out between two factions; a troper named Johnny 2071 who has acted in violation of Complaining About Shows You Dont Like, and both myself and fellow troper AHI-3000, who have taken issue with his edits. Johnny 2071 has an obsessive hatred of the Netflix show F is for Family and has taken to venting his frustrations about the show on the WMG page. Prior attempts to negotiate with Johnny 2071, on my part, have only led to tempers flying high. This attempt to resolve the issue personally has gotten me nowhere, so, on AHI-3000's suggestion, I have come here to try and work things out far more professionally than previously handled. How do you suggest this issue be resolved?
openWandaVision edit war
There appears to have been an Edit War over the entry on YMMV.Wanda Vision Episode 5 On A Very Special Episode over an Unintentionally Sympathetic entry. I don't have context for the show, but I figured it was worth bringing up to those who did.
Lighthammer added it as follows:
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: While Hayward does go overboard with his attack on Wanda, he is absolutely right in the fact that an entire town is being held against their will by -what seems by all accounts to be- her. The trio of Darcy, Monica, and Woo on the other hand, seem to ascribe to Protagonist-Centered Morality.
emeriin removed the entry with the edit reason, "they're not saying she's not being awful just there's something more (like massive trauma) than just 'terrorism'."
Dragon Master 408 re-added it, while also adding more context to the entry. Their edit reason was "Unintentionally Sympathetic is about characters who are unintentionally sympathetic. And as it stands, I think there's a good case for Hayward being this, especially since Darcy herself describes him as a dick before it cuts her off, so it seems like we're supposed to find him in the wrong."
Then The Goddess Is Dead tweaked and moved the entire entry to Informed Wrongness saying, "It's not about sympathy for characters. It's more about the fact that the episode accidentally presents that Both Sides Have a Point when they clearly only intended for Woo, Darcy, and Monica to be right."
Not sure if it needs to be discussed further as Goddess seems to have found a compromise but it felt worth noting.
Edited by mightymewtronopenIssues with edits by Tropers/TheKaizerreich
I skimmed through the edit history
of The Kaizerreich since I found their name concerning. They haven't edited for almost three years but there are a couple of edits I find problematic. (Links to the specific edits in the history don't seem to work. Are they too old? Is this a bug?)
This got rewritten anyways, however obscure comparisons of the number of killings are a typical right wing talking point (Holodomor
is more comparable to the Great Famine in Ireland and it is completely beside the point).
In Acceptable Political Targets they added:
- CNN is getting in on the deal as well, with an overwhelming amount of 2016's journalism being full of pro-Hillary Clinton reporting while exaggerating anything and everything Donald Trump did (and in some cases just plain making it up). Trump himself (in)famously called CNN "Fake News" during a press conference. On the other hand, Trump is also aligned with:
- Alex Jones, a radio host and probably the living example of a Conspiracy Theorist, who has to be seen to be believed (and many people don't believe he's authentic). His website Infowars will bring just about any news story they can and has been roundly mocked, though the mockery died down after Trump started associating with them and them bringing a few stories that were shockingly real.
Further they added an example on Maggie Thather that in essence is also in the current version. Here's the original edit:
I agree that Thatcher is a good example for this trope however I feel the criticism is portrayed in a wrong way, cf. [1]
. While Thatcher is seen as an unpleasant person it's not due to "moral guarding".
In Acceptable Professional Targets they added:
And also
In Acceptable Ethnic Targets they edited:
This somewhat beside the point. They also added an example that in essence survived till today:
As a German I know none of those "popular Turks" who made it into "high military positions". Actually I don't know any high ranking military officer (who are still in office) at all. They are definitely not popular. However, there are popular politicians of Turkish descent. Also there are very few "Turks" in Germany but many people of Turkish descent, in the third generation or so. As for television, I'm not aware of any popular stereotypes. That's not to say there wouldn't be any but they should give examples.
In Black Panther (2018) they started an edit war for which they got suspended [2]
and I don't even know what to think about the example:
- Sacred Cow: Negative reviews no matter how mild got frequently blasted to oblivion because this is a "mostly black" movie and thus somehow a Sacred Cow by default, whether it has actual merit or not - which carries the rather unfortunate suggestion that the movie cannot actually stand up to scrutiny and requires an enforced air of ultra-positive public opinion to be relevant.
There are also three other ATT threads about edit war issues [3]
[4]
[5]
.
I'm not sure if I'm the only one who has issues with those edits but maybe others can help looking through the edit history. Of those examples above only the Thatcher and Turkish-German examples seem to have survived.
Edit: Fixed formatting
Edited by SirenaopenDoes having your memory erased and replaced with FakeMemories count for BrainwashedAndCrazy. Videogame
So there's a character in Fire Emblem Awakening, whose backstory involves her being kidnapped as a teenager by people she hates, having her entire memory and personality erased to the point she no longer remembers her parents or even her name, and then all this being replaced with a Fake Memories magically implanted into her mind. She is then used to carry out her kidnapper's bidding.
The character describes herself as a ""A girl enslaved mind, body, and soul"
and the official sources use "pawn" and "puppet to describe her, with the Fire Emblem wiki(link
, ) describing her with the word, "brainwashed."
The reason I put this here is someone keeps contesting this example and saying she wasn't brainwashed, even though there is a similar character listed from Sailor Moon. I wanted to know what ATT thinks? Does that count as an example of Brainwashed and Crazy?
Edited by MonsundopenSelf Demonstrating lists - OK to remove YMMV?
Do Self Demonstrating character pages' example lists contain only tropes? Looks to be the case, but I'm asking before removing YMMV entries (specifically Adorkable).
openWasted Character? - Edit War
keyblade333 has added the following example of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character to Wonder Woman (2017):
"Ares is one Wonder Woman's top villains in terms of influence, power, and overall notability. The choice to end the very first solo film with him defeated is seen as a huge waste by many viewers, as Ares easily is strong enough that he could be a good climatic villain at the end of perhaps another movie that builds up to him. He even works well as a potential Big Bad for a Justice League style villain if built up enough. Sadly he is killed after appearing at the end with no real build up."
I don't think this is a valid example because, as stated in the trope's page, "this trope is about ignored characters with good potential who never receive the spotlight (or do so just once and then get removed or forgotten)". Ares' machinations are the catalyst for everything that goes wrong in the narrative, and I don't understand what they mean by "no real build up", given that killing him is Wonder Woman's entire motivation for most of the film.
The entry also argues that Ares deserved to be the villain of another film, but this violates another of this trope's rules: "(This trope) is not about leading characters who are not used the way you would like; there are infinite alternative ways any given character could have been used."
It should be noted that this is the second time this troper has added such an example to the page, so I cannot do anything about it without edit warring myself. Can I get some opinions?
open Reporting edit war, including self-report.
Troper Duncril 01 is still at it with removing Arch-Enemy from hero pages and insisting it is a villain only tropes, despite this already being resolved on this thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=95619&type=att
I undid the edits here
and here
while linking that thread as the edit reasons PLUS private messaging them, but he has failed to respond or listen, redoing the same edits that got undone.
I presume he has also removed this trope from countless other character pages too, but I'm not sure which ones.
Edited by Snowy66

The videogame is a GOTY and its gameplay is awesome, especially the boss duels. I personally haven't played it and my narrative is not very good cause iam not enaglish native, so I'm not going to add it myself yet.