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openAccentuating the Negative
I feel like Website.Tumblr has an overly negative feel to it. Most of the tropes seem to talk about how banning adult comment resulted in tons of other problems. It feels like said problems are the focus of the trope page itself.
(Sorry if this isn’t making sense, I’m sleep-deprived.)
openIs this a Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment violation?
I think it's pretty obvious that discussing Chris-chan can easily fall under Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, so seeing this in Muse Abuse was a surprise. It appears to be old though, since it still uses Chris' deadname:
"Back in 2006 and 2007, Christian Weston Chandler wrote about his then-"gal pal" Megan, portraying her as a Sailor Soldier head over heels in love with him. Megan wasn't pleased with his assumption that they were in a relationship. Fast-forward to November 2007, when Chris posts a porn drawing of himself having sex with Megan on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Megan sees it and is horrified; Chris defends the art by explaining the sex act to her while missing the point that Megan was not horrified at the act depicted, but rather at the subject of the pic. He later claimed that what she was suffering was nothing compared to what he was going through at the hands of the trolls. She hasn't talked to him since."
It is an awful thing to do and I'm not defending it, but the It's All About Me link and the fact its about a contentious figure make me wonder if it violates ROCEJ.
Edited by SkylaNoivernopenCharacters.SeriousSamBosses - Regarding ZumZum: BeeAfraid or WickedWasps? Videogame
So, basically, more than two weeks ago, I was busy prowling through Bee Afraid wicks to clean them up (since Bee Afraid now covers only dangerous/antagonistic bee characters or species; the original definition is covered by Scary Stinging Swarm). One of these wicks was located in Characters.Serious Sam Bosses, describing a boss called ZumZum. Here's the entry that contained the wick:
- Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever: A freaking huge wasp.
Naturally, I replaced the wick with a wick for the Wicked Wasps trope. But later, a troper called AM_NK added the separate Bee Afraid wick, describing ZumZum as "a giant mook-making bee" (yet, surprisingly, not rewriting other wicks and not even removing the Wicked Wasps wick), and then added ZumZum as an example in the main Bee Afraid page.
Now, that's when the confusion rises. I was very hesitant to remove the Bee Afraid wick (since it would count as an example of edit-warring), but the page now simultaneously calls ZumZum a wasp and then contradicts itself by calling it a bee. And as far as I'm aware, no insect can simultaneously be a bee and a wasp.
To settle this, I decided to browse the internet for the information regarding ZumZum. The wiki page on Serious Sam Wiki
calls ZumZum a hornet-like creature (and its Russian counterpart outright refers to it as a mutated hornet). Also, judging by how the character looks
◊, it looks more like a wasp to me. However, [[https://serioussam.fandom.com/wiki/ZumZum_Jr
. the mooks it spawns]] definitely resemble bees more, which would make ZumZum itself a weird-looking bee by association.
I've never played Serious Sam game series in my life, so I have zero understanding about the game's lore, characters, and stuff. So I'd like to ask, what should be done here? Should we rewrite the entry to call it a wasp (therefore, removing the Bee Afraid wick), or a bee (therefore, removing the Wicked Wasps wick)? Or should we just Take a Third Option and call it a "bee/wasp thing", keeping both wicks?
Oh, and should we bring AM_NK to this thread? I'd like to hear what they have to say on this stance.
Edited by I--Vanya--IopenAgenda-based editing?
Malcolm Crown added these to the most recent edit on the YMMV.Them 2021 page:
- Audience-Alienating Premise: A lot of people weren’t interested in the idea of yet another TV show with a black main cast focusing on black pain and Woke Identity Politics at the expense of good storytelling. As such, many viewers both white and black just wanted a new and original horror story in the vein of Film/Us in which the main characters being black was just a matter of fact, as this would have done much more for fair representation than racism being the crux of the story, thus once more reducing people of colour to nothing more than the colour of their skin and the suffering that can come with it.
- Broken Base: Some think it’s a great, terrifying horror story that conveys the suffering of the black community in the 1950s in a visceral way that hits you like a gut punch and leaves you feeling relieved with the Catharsis Factor of the final episode, others say that it’s degradation porn and others think it’s just Woke shit.
They also added this to the Unfortunate Implications part:
- All of the black characters are completely good and all of the white characters are corrupt, weak or pure evil. This is in stark contrast with other stories about injustice such as To Kill a Mockingbird or X-Men which makes a point that immorality and bigotry can come from either side of the aisle.
- As in Get Out!!, the most despicable among the white human antagonists is a woman, which is full of Unfortunate Implications of racist misogyny towards white women, not helped by the recent emergence of the Karen meme. What makes this worse is that Alison Pill has herself described Betty as a "Karen".
Their edit reason was: "Much as I love the show, it's not above criticism." No citations for their Unfortunate Implications and violating the 6-month wait rule for Broken Base aside, the "woke shit", "woke identity politics" phrasing and seeing Betty's storyline as racist towards white women are rather concerning.
I've also checked their edit history and I'm not sure what to make of it since I'm not familiar with these other works, but I've also found an edit on YMMV.Torchwood that removes mention of Torchwood being believers in "extreme imperialistic and racist British nationalism" to just "extreme nationalism", with the edit reason being "Torchwood are never shown to be racist and not everyone would say that imperialism and nationalism are necessarily evil."
Outside of that, their other edits including on the other Series.Them 2021 pages seem fine, but these still feel like red flags.
Edited by CommanderVisoropenPossible agenda based editing
Swim To The Moon made some edits that seem to be agenda based.
This query
shows they had an edit reason which said negative stereotypes about Egypt were actually true.
They also added this to Live-Action Films (0-F) about Black Christmas, which has some rather questionable attitudes about feminism and according to another editor also contains false information (havent watched the movie myself)
"Then there's a fact that the film was made purely as an angry feminist diatribe who seems to hate men. While the original 1974 film had a political feminist subplot, said subplot only took up 10 minutes of that film. The whole movie's plot is that a year after main character Riley was sexually assaulted by a member of a fraternity, they stumble upon a conspiracy that said maternity are members of a cult trying to kill people on campus. Saying the film is Anvilicious is an understatement; the film drops an entire factory of anvils on the viewer; the most blatant example happens halfway through when the film stops completely in its tracks to have its characters engage in a screaming match at each other over whether or not all men are rapists, a scene that doesn't even tie in very well with the film's core message, especially since the film goes back to the way it was like nothing happened. And as if this wasn't bad enough, the movie can't even get its own moral values right. The film's twist is that the fraternity are a cult being mind controlled by a humanoid alien. So for all we know, the men themselves may not have raped anyone knowingly, and taking this a step further, it also turns out that Riley accused the wrong guy of sexual assault, yet the film still acts as if she was right to do that. Because remember, kids! false rape accusations are completely okay!"
openLobo Self-Demonstrating Page Print Comic
Lobo is a thing, but Lobo isn't. Should the latter also be a thing, like we did for Deadpool?
openQuestionable use of SixthRanger on Yu Gi Oh Card Game Character Sheets
So a lot of folders on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Card Game Character Sheets use Sixth Ranger to describe... a lot of different things. These uses primarily concern the relationships between individual monster cards and card archetypes, likening the archetype to the ensemble and the individual monster to the sixth ranger in the definition of Sixth Ranger.
- Often times, the trope is used when a monster card that is not a member of the archetype supports the archetype's playstyle. These individual monster cards are sometimes related to the archetype's theme and/or have explicit lines in their effects that name the archetype, while other times the monster-archetype connections are more fuzzy and the connections are purely on the gameplay level.
- Example: Characters.Yu Gi Oh Card Game A To B, Burning Abyss: While not a Burning Abyss monster herself, Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal supports the archetype and can use a Dante monster as a shortcut to summon herself. (Writer's note: Beatrice is theme-wise directly related to the Burning Abyss archetype)
- Sometimes, this trope is used when an archetype receives new supporting archetype monsters long after its debut.
- Example: Characters.Yu Gi Oh Card Game A To B, A-to-Z: The ABC machines were added long after the VWXYZ series were introduced.
- More rarely, it's used when a card is a member of an archetype (often on purely technical, Exact Words scenarios) but supports the archetypal playstyle poorly.
- Example: Characters.Yu Gi Oh Card Game E To F, Egyptian Gods: Because of its name, Blaze Cannon is a member of the Blaze Accelerator archetype, and can thus be added from the Deck or Graveyard to the hand with the effect of Volcanic Rocket. However, it is unrelated to other Blaze Accelerator cards and the Volcanic monsters, and does not support their playstyle.
There might be some other fringe uses that I haven't fully covered.
My question is, are these uses misuses? Should I cut them or rephrase them to fit the trope better?
Edited by WuzopenI think the external links section of Creepypasta is too big
See for your self, Creepypasta. It also include a very dubious entry like this.
- The Untitled Fantendo Story
sorta fits this, especially in the "real life" chapters. Has a much happier ending, since the author did not write it intending for it to be creepypasta-like.
I think it should be cut down to just collection sites.
open Cannibalism Superpower Question
This trope is about someone having the ability to gain another persons power by eating a part of them. But there is one example that I don't think counts regarding My Hero Academia character Tamaki Amajiki/Suneater.
Tamaki has the Quirk, Manifest, that allows him to gain the attributes of whatever he eats, like gaining talons and wings from eating chicken or a cattle hoof from eating beef. On both the Character page and on the main trope page it references one scene in which Tamaki manifests crystals after he eats a small crystal shard that was made by a villain who can make crystals with his Quirk. However, I'm pretty sure that doesn't count as an example, as Tamaki is simply manifesting the crystal itself, not copying the guys power to make crystals. Especially since I couldn't find any official source that states that he is copying the power or that it is an ability of his Quirk to copy powers.
This is why I don't think it really counts as an example of Cannibalism Superpower However, I wasn't sure whether it was right of me to remove it without asking first.
Edited by NejiiuynopenIs this an example?
Trope: Spirit Cultivation Genre
Prospective entry:
- Painted Skin and its sequel, Painted Skin: The Resurrection, are based off the 1740 short story The Painted Skin and star Xiaowei, a fox-demon who cultivated supernatural powers and maintains her youthful human form by devouring human hearts. In the first film Xiaowei falls in love with a human and sacrifices her cultivated powers to resurrect him and his wife. In the sequel, Xiaowei is imprisoned in a glacier for 500 years for having done so, and after being broken free by the bird-demon Que'er, she tries to find a human willing to give her their heart so she can become human herself — instigating a love-triangle between herself, a general, and a princess before sacrificing herself so the general and the princess can be together.
openWhat is this bullshit Videogame
Alright, who the hell decided it was a good idea to add a page image to Awesome.The Binding Of Isaac? The page itself is shoehorning a lot.
Edited by SpideyopenCalvin and Hobbes Headscratchers page
The main C&H Headscratchers page used to be an index for the pages devoted to the comic itself and more meta/Watterson examples. Now the meta page is gone, so there's no need for the index anymore. Could someone move Calvin And Hobbes In Universe back to Calvin and Hobbes?
(And if the old meta content is still kicking around somewhere, could we salvage it and move it to YMMV/BillWatterson?)
openShould there be a "linking section" on every MCU film? Film
Troper TheExtractor has taken to unilaterally adding a section to the top of all the MCU films that links it to the previous/next film in MCU release schedule.
Do we really need such a thing given that there is a Franchise page Marvel Cinematic Universe that lists all the films in the franchise and allows such navigation to each film already?
It's going to make the MCU films formatted differently than other films and does that open itself to having a "link section" for other film franchises like James Bond, Star Wars, etc?
The main thing that concerns me about this is that TheExtractor did something similar back in January 2021, where they unilaterally added a "cast list" to every MCU film.
Yet, they never seem to post any kind of discussion item beforehand of "I think this would be a neat thing to add to all MCU films" and then ask for feedback and wait for consensus before making changes to dozens of pages.
Edited by rva98014openEdit war and poor grammar
This
page is undergoing an edit war between shuniya and Kazukowitha K over the House Husband trope. Kazuko keeps re-adding it, and shuniya keeps deleting it.
Now, this in and of itself I'm sending a notifier to shuniya about, but I'm worried about Kazuko especially because of their poor grammar and punctuation. They also improperly capitalize tropes (leading to red links or no links at all) and pothole trope names. Example:
- ......And That Little Girl Was Me: When Victor tells something about his past about little girl in his past to heroine in chapter 10 about the kidnapping incident, he remembers about her saving his life only to be taking away shortly afterwards. The heroine did not know she was the same girl who protected him but Victor got a gut feeling after she remembering a pathway out of the building. After the heroine protected him again as adults, he finally found the same girl, whom he was looking for the past years.
So I'm unsure of how to approach a Troper who is edit-warring, potholing, and has bad grammar and punctuation issues.
EDIT: Editing to add that after messaging shuniya, who has apologized for their part in the edit war, they've stated that Kazuko has ignored their PM's regarding the matter as well.
Edited by iamconstantineopenDid I do something wrong aside from bad grammar?
I am a bit paranoid about being reported for a minor thing such as bad grammar because I didn't check it before I send it. Not surprising, Michael did report me for bad grammar
. I did admit I should have go to the get help with English forum in the first place but I sometimes didn't either because people might take a while to responds or I thought my examples are good enough. So I want you guys to check my edit history if I did something wrong aside from bad grammar because I believe you guys can help me improve myself. I really don't want to be suspended for my mistakes from the past and I'm sorry for what I did. Thank you.
openVideo Player Report Feature
What is the Report feature on the video player meant for reporting? Is it for each specific video, or for problems with the video player itself?
EDIT: If it is for each video, can we use this feature to report videos that don't fit the trope they're on? Or is it just for videos with inappropriate content or stuff like that?
Edited by DrNoPuma

To complete the plan for my final revisions of the Ghosts of the Future articles and because of the strict Edit War policy and the fact MichaelKatsuro sides with all of his edits, I have to bring up my disputes of MichaelKatsuro's edits here for other tropers to address and suggest ways to settle them. I'd like at least two tropers to address them all.
Webcomic.Ghosts Of The Future / General
Characters.Ghosts Of The Future
YMMV.Ghosts Of The Future