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openDEKU SDCP Film
Yo, I saw in a cleanup thread that Izuku Midoriya from My Hero Academia had a SDCP then got cut. I was wondering if someone could bring that back or at the very least allow a sandbox page for me or someone else to draft one. I feel like with Deku's dorky, self-deprecating, nervously neurotic behavior would make for some great humor. I would say he has some of the most unique traits out of the My Hero cast and maybe even make pages for a perv like Mineta or a hothead like Bakugo at the very least. MHA deserves more SDCP's than just Tsuyu who's own page practically has like 5 things and that's it.
openCharacter Page Reversion Policy
EDIT: The original issue is being resolved on the Discussion page, but I'm still wondering about character page projects.
A few days ago, someone created this character subpage
. There wasn't any discussion about this, which is technically fine, but the page itself has some issues. Even though a couple of other users have edited it, seven of the folders have 0-2 examples. There's also some weird capitalization and formatting. Some of their edits also don't make much sense: they changed
a Foil example to Contrasting Sequel Main Character, but neither of the characters in the original example are the protagonist of their series. The bulk of the page is focused on one character (who nearly has technically enough content for their own page).
I posted yesterday on the discussion page, but no one has responded. Is it alright to revert the split, or should I wait for approval? On a separate note, is there an existing project focused on setting up a Character Sheet guidelines page? I feel like that could be helpful.
Edited by indigoJayopenOn TLP
I've been working on a potential trope (shameless self-promo!
) and it's accumulated a healthy number of examples, so now I'm wondering - is there a good place to ask around for criticism and thoughts on how well it's put-together outside of the TLP itself? Last time I asked within a comment, I got no replies regarding it, so I'm wondering if that was a bad avenue to ask or if people think that it's solid as it is presently.
openCreator page redirecting to a UsefulNote
When editing the page for Series.Space 1999, I found that not only does its producers Gerry and Sylvia Anderson not have creator pages, but Creator.Gerry Anderson is a redirect to the Useful Notes page UsefulNotes.Supermarionation, which is about an animation technique frequently used by the Andersons.
Is it really kosher to have a creator page redirecting to a useful note which is not even supposed to be about the creator in question? I think it would actually be better to remove the redirect and have Creator.Gerry Anderson create a redlink, until a proper creator page can be created (I might get around to that myself when I get the time).
Edited by GnomeTitanopenHostile deletion reason
Very Peeved deleted this on Gone Horribly Right:
- Brexit was this for many people that didn't see the consequences of what they campaigned for. Here are a
few
examples
.
With this edit reason:
if you're gonna put this shit in here, at least put some damn effort into it. a single line and a couple of links is not on. D- apply yourself.
Now I do feel like maybe Gone Horribly Right should probably be a No Real Life Examples, and failing that perhaps this example crosses the line of Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement. All that being said that edit reason was needlessly hostile.
Edited by jjjj2openIs there a way to see what works a Troper follows?
I feel the question speaks for itself, but I wonder if there's a way to see what works a troper follows he way you can see what you follow yourself.
openEdit war on the Tear Jerker page
On December 7, the troper https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=FantiSci
added this to the tear jerker page of Encanto.
- Mirabel's "you're perfect as you are!" conversation with her mother when her hand is healed is sweet and funny...but there's also a bit of justified bitterness in Mirabel's tone when she points out that Julieta has just healed her hand with magic. Julieta is correct — but Julieta is also the Madrigal with the most manageable and most obviously beneficial power. From her daughter's perspective, it's a bit like a supermodel lecturing you on why looks aren't everything. It also doesn't help that Julieta still thinks that Mirabel was (possibly unconsciously) acting out because of envy at Antonio's successful ceremony — she's one of Mirabel's strongest supporters, and even she doubts her.
- Even more heartwrenching is that this moment also makes Julieta unknowingly insensitive in another layer - as stated earlier, the Madrigal family took a family picture without Mirabel. And even Julieta didn't notice. So, when Julieta makes that line, it rings even hollower.
- In addition to this, the family do nothing to stand up for Mirabel when Alma is being cruel to her. Her mother essentially expects Mirabel to see herself as 'perfect' as she is while she's stuck in an environment that singles her out near constantly
On December 24, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=whoseliner
removed it with the edit reason: that they do stand for her.
On that same day, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=FantiSci
added it back with this for an edit reason: Last edit deleted an entire entry on the basis that they disagreed with a small part of it.
On the 26, I removed all of that with a few others while linking it to this discussion: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13327578050A72722200&page=325#comment-8105
To their credit, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=FantiSci
did try to stark a discussion even though they technically already edit warred (I didn't realize until I started digging to find the original poster) https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=TearJerker.Encanto
However, today, I found that they had added it back with this edit reason: See discussion - there is plenty of evidence in the film to justify these points.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=TearJerker.Encanto
Except as you will see in my second to last link, no had replied to their discussion. Permission to redelete?
Edited by LadyErinNYopenDid I edit war by mistake?
So, I suggested on the FPC thread that we make an entry for Kingsmen: The Secret Service here
. Most were kay with it. So, I looked through the history of FanPreferredCouple.Live Action Films and found out that an entry had already been deleted for not mentioning a creator preferred one here
. So, I suggested readding it with mention of one here
and was again given the okay. So I added it to the age. Now I don't believe this was the edit war as I got permission from the cleanup thread first. However, I then added it to the Kingsman: The Secret Service page and discovered that it had been deleted from there
, without edit reason. Is this edit warring since I still had approval to add the entry from the cleanup thread? I was not being the one who originally added it and it was deleted without edit reason which to my understanding is not okay.
I want to report myself if I edit warred.
openDoes this fall into troping real people?
I recently made an edit on Princely Young Man about Japanese media's tendency to dub young, handsome men with some achievements (especially in sports) "ouji" or "oujisama", essentially applying this trope to them. I stopped the edit there without elaborating on why one such example (figure skater Yuzuru Hanyu) fits the Princely Young Man model. Am I allowed to elaborate why Hanyu is considered The Ouji, because his public reputation (in and of itself a PR creation/curated image) fits the trope description to a tee? Would that fall under troping real people (or worse, one-handed troping if not just merely gushing)?
Source for this claim
(in addition to other media coverage I've seen scattered around the internet, including at least one Japanese TV channel putting "Some Day My Prince Will Come" over footage of Hanyu).
If that is an absolute no-no, should the trope be made NRLEP lest it invites gushing?
Edited by annieholmesopenSlur used on South Park page, what should I do?
Was reading the fridge page of South Park: Post Covid: The Return of Covid, when I came across this entry (problem word bolded):
The entry is fine by itself, however it uses the word "cripple" to refer to being disabled, which IIRC is considered a slur in that context. I would've removed it, but as it's in a subpage for an entry of South Park, a show that's meant to be super offensive, I'm not sure as they could’ve used that word in that context in the episode mentioned (Note I haven't seen that episode).
So, um what should I do in this case?
Edited by Cutegirl920fireopenRegarding using material posted on another site by a Troper with their consent.
I'd like to ask about using summaries when the troper themself has given consent to use them.
Tropers/Comun, a user of Beast's Lair
wrote summaries of the latest chapter of Fate/Grand Order, Non-Primate Ecosphere: Tunguska Sanctuary.
I asked about using their summaries
, to which they gave their blessing
. However, I was told to ask the people in the Copy-paste Cleanup Thread
for advice concerning this situation because using the summaries could be considered plagiarism and break the rules of the site. Unfortunately, I received no response
, so I'm asking here instead.
openDeleting YMMV examples for no reasons Live Action TV
Today, I noticed at least two old examples in YMMV page of Kevin Can F**k Himself without edit reason a few months ago. He Really Can Act example was deleted by Rm 74 and WTH, Casting Agency? example was deleted by meatwadf. Here's what the examples look like before deletion:
- He Really Can Act: Mary gives it her all in "Fixed". She displays her anger, sadness and grief when Patty calls out Allison for making her search into Tammy's belongings.
- WTH, Casting Agency?: Annie Murphy's comedic and dramatic talents have already been acclaimed, and her performance here was similarly praised. At the same time though, a few thought that Erin Hayes should've played Allison given her role as the the wife on Kevin Can Wait was the inspiration for this show, and the series would've felt more powerful if an actress screwed over by the sitcom stereotypes parodied here was the one rebelling against them.
- In an interview with Vulture (Vulture had been consistently advocating for her to get a part), Erinn Hayes herself says she loves the idea and script of Kevin Can F**k Himself but she understands that casting her as the main role would be iffy, as her character death on her previous series and its controversy could draw too much attention away from this show.
Should the examples need to be brought back or there's a reason for a deletion?
Edited by BubblepigopenNo Way Home: What An Idiot Film
I noticed that WhatAnIdiot.Marvel Cinematic Universe Films (specifically for Spider-Man: No Way Home) has a moment where Spider-Man tries to Save the Villain by preventing a bunch of old bad guys from dying while fighting other versions of himself. Could this really be considered a stupid thing to do? It felt like Peter was just being an All-Loving Hero since he practices Thou Shall Not Kill. While it DID have consequences, he was ultimately successful in saving all of them, albeit with help from his counterparts. It seemed like Dr. Strange was just holding the Jerkass Ball by showing the villains No Sympathy. They could've worked together, but Strange complicated things by claiming You Can't Fight Fate.
Edited by 227someguyopenEncanto Film
I know Tearjeaker is based on opinion, but there are a few entries on TearJerker.Encanto that I feel are a bit too opinionated.
For example: *** After explaining her backstory, one couldn't help but think that she must feel that her husband would be ashamed of her.
Then there is this which was deleted and then readded: * Mirabel's "you're perfect as you are!" conversation with her mother when her hand is healed is sweet and funny...but there's also a bit of justified bitterness in Mirabel's tone when she points out that Julieta has just healed her hand with magic. Julieta is correct — but Julieta is also the Madrigal with the most manageable and most obviously beneficial power. From her daughter's perspective, it's a bit like a supermodel lecturing you on why looks aren't everything. It also doesn't help that Julieta still thinks that Mirabel was (possibly unconsciously) acting out because of envy at Antonio's successful ceremony — she's one of Mirabel's strongest supporters, and even she doubts her.
Even more heartwrenching is that this moment also makes Julieta unknowingly insensitive in another layer - as stated earlier, the Madrigal family took a family picture without Mirabel. And even Julieta didn't notice. So, when Julieta makes that line, it rings even hollower. Her mother essentially expects Mirabel to see herself as 'perfect' as she is while she's stuck in an environment that singles her out near constantly. There's no escaping how different she is from the rest of her family — she lives in the nursery of a magic house (because she was "unworthy" of her own special room), in a town shaped by her family's powers, in a community where she's known as the "not-special one". And that's not counting the times where she's actively treated as the family screw-up. Good luck accepting yourself in those circumstances.
I might be overreacting, but some of this is more alternate character interpretation.
Edited by LadyErinNYopenNatter cleanup help?
One of TLP trope drafts I adopted has an example with Conversation in the Main Page that needs to be removed, but I have no idea how to fix that myself, and deleting the whole example just to get rid of natter seems like a waste. What would be the appropriate forum thread to get help with that?
openIssue on Midnight Mass work page
Capretty moved a trope example from the main work page to the YMMV page, even though the trope is objective. The work is Midnight Mass (2021) and the trope is Satire, which is not listed on any YMMV index. The edit reason for this move states: "These are all personal opinions from one source, so I moved it to the YMMV page." The "one source" happens to be the show itself which I watched before adding this example. This is the trope example:
- Satire: The show ultimately tries to point out the folly of being religious. The first two episodes clearly establish that the writers respect those with religious beliefs by accurately portraying Catholicism, but after that the show gets more and more offensive to religious people. By the end of the the first season, it's clear this is a satire that favors atheism over religious beliefs.
- The Decoy Protagonist is an atheist who tries to stop the Catholic vampires, and the first victim of the show, a dog, is killed by the most well-read Catholic character.
- There are some "classic" anti-Catholic tropes present throughout the season, such as only one Catholic knowing much about Scripture, Catholics drinking literal blood as opposed to blood in the form of wine, the Church embezzling people's money, the monsignor regretting becoming a priest and fraternizing with a member of his flock, the faithful being timid and subservient to the one person who quotes Scripture the most, and Catholics being generally closed-minded concerning other religions.
- While there are two characters who are Muslim, one of them converts to Catholicism and by the end of the show they both die while praying. Moreover, the Catholic vampires all die while singing a hymn, which is a form of prayer.
- In the season finale, one of the supposedly devout Catholics, who has attended Mass every day, suddenly goes through a "death-bed conversion" to atheism, insisting that she will become one with the universe after decomposing and even going so far as to use the phrase "I am that I am," making herself equivalent to God, which is the last thing one would expect a devout Christian to say.
This person also moved an example of Actor Allusion to the Trivia subpage despite the fact that Actor Allusion is not a Trivia trope.
EDIT: In addition to moving the Satire entry to YMMV.Midnight Mass 2021, this troper then proceeded to completely delete the entry even from the YMMV page. If you look at the page history for the YMMV page,
you'll see that the move happened on the 23rd and then the deletion happened on the 24th.
openPossible Speculative Troping
Over on VideoGame.Five Nights At Freddys Security Breach:
- Foreshadowing:
- Gregory does not have a guest profile, no prior passes or merch, and starts the game already being chased by Vanessa. He also shows a surprisingly resourceful and ruthless streak, such as driving a car and using jumper cables in one ending and thinking of stealing the other animatronics' parts to upgrade Freddy with little guilt at the idea. While Vanessa and the animatronics bring up his family, Gregory never mentions anything of the sort despite being stuck in a dangerous situation without being able to contact anyone outside. Freddy is also the one who gives him the FazWatch, with no mention of a phone that could have an app with similar use installed. The one-star ending offers a potential explanation: he's shown sleeping in a box in an alleyway, with a newspaper as a makeshift blanket. This suggests he may have been homeless or otherwise significantly disadvantaged, and thus had to learn how to be independent to survive. He wouldn't have a guest profile or any passes beforehand because he probably can't afford any of it, so he most likely either snuck in or was brought in through unofficial means, possibly explaining why Vanessa was chasing him. He doesn't bring up anyone from outside because he possibly has no one, either, and everyone else just assumes he has a family looking for him.
- Alternative Character Interpretation:
- Gregory has a surprising amount of both resourcefulness and ruthlessness bordering on Troubling Unchildhood Behavior. He sees nothing wrong with damaging the other Glamrocks to upgrade Freddy, nor with the idea of lying to him about it. Combined with the fact he has no records, it calls a lot about him into question. This may be accounted for when you consider the one-star ending, which implies Gregory is a homeless child who may have had to learn how to be independent and possibly commit morally grey acts to survive.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character:
- Gregory, despite being the protagonist, has had some people wishing he'd get a bit more development. Besides his desire to survive, his eventual bond with Freddy, and his snarkier moments, he remains pretty much a blank slate throughout the game, not really growing or changing at all. Heck, the game itself frequently hints that there is more to Gregory than meets the eye, given the repeated mention of his missing personal records and the question as to how he got into the Pizzaplex in the first place without a guest profile. Also, the one-star ending hints at Gregory possibly being a Homeless Hero, which adds an extra layer to the game's story. But none of these plot points are ever followed up on, leaving Gregory as a rather run-of-the-mill Protagonist Without a Past.
For those avoiding spoilers for this game: tropers from the FNAF fandom have taken one of the endings for this game to mean that the player character Gregory is homeless, a runaway, or otherwise disadvantaged. And they have begun troping it as though it were a confirmed part of the game's official canon. Even though this alleged implication is not supported in any way by the game or Word of God, according to my present knowledge.
What's the policy for handling this?
Edited by JAG01openVideo Example Misuse/Complaining
I feel like some video examples may need some work as either the examples are misuse, complaining (from either the video itself, the description, or both), or both misuse and complaining. The examples I can think of at the moment are:
- Innocently Insensitive video for the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic episode "Filli Vanilli" (The video itself is fine, but the description sounds like complaining about a character.)
- 0% Approval Rating for The Rise of Skywalker (Trope misuse as the trope is not about works receiving a mostly negative reaction, but is about authority figures that are despised by everyone in the work.)
- In Name Only for Overly Sarcastic Productions (Trope misuse as the trope refers to adaptations that barely have any connection to the source material apart from the title while the video instead talks about how Samurai Jack is a samurai in name only.)
EDIT: The video example for The Rise of Skywalker has been removed.
Edited by PatrickD95

While browsing through fanfic pages, Fanfic.Isnt It Beautiful and Fanfic.We Werent Born To Follow struck me with some weird choices. Several examples on them appear to have flat out chunks of the fic itself inserted as context. Not quotes from the characters, but narration. For one example, but there's more.
This feels in violation of ZCE rules, but I'm not sure if the attempt at indicating quotation saves it from being a plagiarism problem.
Edited by Adannor