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openProblematic troper
sumitkumars has only been here for two days, but they seem to have made many questionable edits to both the Useful Notes.Bollywood and Useful Notes.India pages almost to the point where they blanked the pages.
1. removing a lot of text from the Bollywood page
.
2. Removing a big chunk of the India page
.
5. poor grammar
.
6. What the hell is this edit??
I suggest we have someone revert the edits this person made, but please take a look for yourself.
Edited by YuriHaru567openIs this kind of trope use okay?
I'm doing gradual editing and clean up on the tropes pages for Housepets!, A-L
and M-Z
which have all kinds of issues. Most of the problems are the usual bad grammar, ZCEs, indentation, natter, and bad examples, but this one is odd, and something I haven't encountered before. There's a trope for Show Within a Show that has sub-bullet points for tropes that only appear in one of the two examples, done this way:
- Show Within a Show: Pridelands, a fictional work of which Grape is fond. Also "The Adventures of Spot (Superdog)", which uses the following tropes exclusively.
- Big "NO!": Spot (Superdog) does this when things don't go his way.
- Clark Kenting: The only difference between Spot (Superdog) and his secret identity as Spot (Professor) is a cape and a pair of glasses. Even the name's the same!
- Get a Hold of Yourself, Man!: Attempted by Stripe.
- Intercontinuity Crossover: In-Universe, Peanut is fond of crossing the Pridelands books with his Super Hero, Spot (Superdog).
- Large Ham: Spot (Superdog) has his moments.
- New Powers as the Plot Demands: This comic
and Spot's last line.
- Terrible Artist: Peanut's drawings are about on par with those of a stereotypical five year old.
- When Things Spin, Science Happens: Touched on here.
- Why Don't Ya Just Shoot Him?: Played with in this comic.
Other issues aside (such as ZCEs), is this acceptable practice? The alternative is to scatter the trope examples in sub-bullets in the main tropes page and note that they only happen in the Show Within a Show in each case.
Thanks!
Edited by BoltDMCopenIndex Correction? Web Original
Several of the subpages for The Magnus Archives (at the very least the characters, heartwarming, funny, and nightmare fuel pages) are indexed under Web Original, while the work itself is a podcast. Do I have to achieve any sort of consensus before re-indexing them, and if so is this a good place to do it?
Edit: I fixed it but I have a follow-up question: while I was moving what pages needed to/could be moved, I discovered that Fanfic Recommendations does not have a Podcast folder but does have an Other folder that includes several podcasts. Can I go ahead and make a Podcast folder, or do I need an okay for that?
Edited by AfterwordopenSpider-Man: No Way it's being brought up again.
A while ago I removed Rescued from the Scrappy Heap entries about all three Spider-Men from Spider-Man: No Way Home after discussing it on Is this an Example
thread, because it was agreed that it was too early to call it that. Then it was re-added again along with another entry and deleted again here
. Which also had it re-added while the query was going on and deleted by the same query. At the same time, I also removed one for all three Spider-Men here
including Andrew Garfield fallowing discussion here
. Well yesterday Enigmatic_Mastermind added these entries here
:
- Rescued from the Scrappy Heap:
- Those who initially weren't impressed with Andrew Garfield as the web-head in The Amazing Spider Man films tend to appreciate his performance more in this film, probably due to the script being more fitting for him as well as the character being comically self-aware that he was the least popular Spider-Man as well as having several highlights in the film. Like the scene where saves MJ in the same way he tried to save Gwen.
- Jamie Foxx's Electro from the same films as well. Even before the movie hit the theaters there were people who were glad that he was given a second shot at playing the supervillain and he felt more serious and formidable here despite his limited screentime, in contrast to the more cliché tragic loner-turned-villain in his original movies while still keeping that aspect of his character in the end without losing the threat.
What should be done cut or keep? You know this page has been the subject of a lot of ATTs.
Edited by BullmanopenHow do I delete video that I uploaded?
There’s a video on Condemned by History that I uploaded a while back when it used to be called Deader Than Disco. It doesn’t match the trope anymore so I’m hoping I can remove it myself?
openSelf-promotion?
I suspect Phill Higgins may be using this Wiki to (rather shamelessly) promote himself. His only activity so far was to create this TLP stub
and an Analysis page for an artist called Saulo Oliveira S.
Said analysis has many, many typos and grammar mistakes, on top of repeatedly describing the singer as "the Prince of Rock", someone "covered in revolutionary ideas for incendiary lyrics", "complex and mesmerizing", and countless other self-indulgent statements.
This can't be kosher, right?
Edit: Found a few more things about this singer:
- He used to have a Wikipedia article, but it was deleted not long ago. It was also written in a needlessly self-absorbed way.
- While I did find one of his songs on YouTube, it only has 4 views... So any claims that it is popular or acclaimed are null.
openAll's Fair at the Fair (1938) Western Animation
I want to create a page on this site for "All's Fair at the Fair" (1998); one of my favorite Max Fleischer cartoons and one that I think deserves a bit more love. Unfortunately, I'm not that great at recognizing most pop culture tropes and I don't have a lot of free time to actually make it myself, so I was hoping that I could get some help from some of you more seasoned Tropers. I'd love to learn about all the tropes that make up this classic short and hear your own take on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAFqAbrPKxQ&t=1s
openTroper causing a bit of trouble
Troper Lea17 is causing a bit of trouble.
- They created the page Ghoul Detective Series, and have put a lot of zero-context examples on it.
- Most of the examples are written in the past tense despite taking place in the story's present, as far as I can tell.
- They created a Ghoul Detective Series funny moments page despite being told, in an earlier ATT, that this isn't allowed, what with them being the story's writer. (I cutlisted it already.)
- There's some bad grammar. This sentence is an example: "It tells a story where Ken Kaneki, a young half-ghoul who was adopted by Morofushi brothers."
- There was this huge section they added about the trope Tarot Motifs, but the actual trope isn't used in the story itself as far as I can determine. Only in the guide to the story. (To be fair, that guide is a published work too, so it's fine if you disagree with me and add it back.)
- The quotes are super long. I deleted a massive one.
- There's a lot of Word Cruft, with phrasings like "[name] is this."
- Examples often use the phrasing "[name] is this too," even though examples shouldn't refer to other examples.
- The indentation is often done poorly.
openEdit war on Kingdom Come Deliverance YMMV page Videogame
On December 22nd, Troper The Living Drawing removed these tropes
from Kingdom Come Deliverance's YMMV page with the edit reason of "Removed several examples that, while potentially valid, are very complainy. Have not played the game and have little knowledge on it so if you have, please feel free to rewrite the removed examples to me more neutral.":
- Archery is probably the fakest of all "difficult" things in the game. There is no aiming dot visible, but that doesn't mean there isn't one. In fact, the game simply turns off the aiming dot when bows are drawn with a crudely written script. There is absolutely nothing preventing players from simply marking or memorizing the dot on display and then have perfect aim, regardless of skill, bow type or distance. The absurd sway of bows for first five levels of the skill only adds to how fake it really is, because if the aiming dot is marked (or displayed with a console command), the aim remains perfect despite displaying sway all over the screen.
- The game never really informs how to train, so if natural progress is applied with the plot progression, Henry is going to be constantly and heavily under skilled. However, spending just 30 minutes with Captain Bernhard and whacking him with random Button Mashing is enough to train Henry into formidable fighter, raising half of his stats and generally turning the whole game into a cakewalk with most of enemies unable to even hit back.
- Each and every camp full of bandits can be cleared with ease during night-time, by carefully picking them one by one. Not only does it allow the player to skip otherwise tough (or outright impossible) encounters, it's considerably easier to do than just trying to face few brigands on your own in a sword fight. Of course the game never informs about how stealth or stealth kills work, so unless player figures it out by applying common sense, good luck with all those encounters when trying to face bandits in straight-out combat.
- The entire barter system relies on Henry's relationship with the vendor: he has to lower his bids for a long time to gain enough favour to get better prices (and better bids) in the future. Cue miller Peshek, who via finishing his quest line gains 100% favour. And since he's miller, he buys stolen goods. His merchant list is also scripted to pay premium for a lot of things regardless of favour. And if one particular vendor is constantly fed new items, their cash reserve increases during restocking. Eventually Peshek can easily carry 50 thousand groschen, buying whatever and offering decent prices at that. Just don't expect the game explaining any of this at any point.
- Fake Longevity: The game has few very blatant cases of intentionally making certain trival tasks take extra time. It is so widespread, numerous reviewers pointed this as an outright trick to claim "100 hours of gameplay", despite 20 or so is going to be filled with tedium.
- All the copious, lengthy and unskippable animations. They add absolutely nothing to the game, aside few extra seconds every time certain action is taken. Haggle and horse (dis)mounting is probably most guilty of this and also some of the most repeated actions.
- Fast travel on map can only be done over pre-planned paths and only toward handful of pre-made points of interest. In practice, this leads to Henry taking in-game hours to circle back and forth over particularly twisted path over a hillside or taking a detour over half of the map. And it doesn't matter if he's on foot or riding - the speed of fast travel is exactly the same, so once a mount is acquired, it's considerably faster to just ride manually rather than use the "fast" travel option.
- Additionally with horses, they move much slower on roads than off them. Most of the time, it's better to ride close to the road to keep track of where you're going, but not so close that the horse automatically attempts to get on it.
- Henry can't swim. Period. He can't ford rivers even when on horseback. Said rivers aren't deep and lack rapids of any sorts. Still, it takes to find what the game considers as a ford (where the water tends to be ankle-deep) or a bridge, which means a lot of back-and-forth travel toward nearest pass over river.
- Misaimed "Realism": The game was heavily marketed under "super-realism" flag, but this backfires badly at certain game mechanics, especially since how uneven the application of said "realism" is, breaking the immersion entirely rather than enhancing it.
- Probably the most glaring is just about anything related with inventory management. You can carry around few tonnes of equipment and the only downside will be being forced into the walking pace of movement. Get yourself on horseback and even that no longer applies. Oh, and saddle bags on your horse come with a teleport, since you can move in and out items regardless of where the horse is, unless ongoing quest intentionally disables that option (which only ever happens twice).
- Said saddle bags have a limited load they can carry, but there is nothing preventing Henry from overloading himself and then simply get on horseback.
- The weapons seem to be made out of foil and raw copper, that's how quickly they wear out. They also never really break down, just reach the state of "disrepair", meaning a simple debuff to damage. And you would grind any given blade into nothingness when using grindstone so often as Henry does.
- Probably the most glaring is just about anything related with inventory management. You can carry around few tonnes of equipment and the only downside will be being forced into the walking pace of movement. Get yourself on horseback and even that no longer applies. Oh, and saddle bags on your horse come with a teleport, since you can move in and out items regardless of where the horse is, unless ongoing quest intentionally disables that option (which only ever happens twice).
- That One Level: Needle in A Haystack. Working with the Neuhof bandits, Henry is tasked with infiltrating a monastery in order to track a straggler down, kill him and bring proof to the bandits that the target is dead. What follows is allegedly the most annoying quest in the whole game according to fans. First of all, it's a No-Gear Level, so you can't bring your weapons inside to kill the target. Second, since you're a novice, you're at the bottom of the monk hierarchy, meaning that you live under the authority of the hated Circators, monks who are supposed to keep order in the monastery and punish monks who break the rules. However, since you are being tasked with killing someone in the monastery, you WILL have to break many rules with your time in there, specially if you choose to do the sidequests that the monastery offer, which involves ludicrous amounts of lockpicking and pickpocketing, sneaking in and out of the monastery constantly, missing out on your schedule (and getting punished for that), getting lost and much more. Oh, and did we mention that all of this is done without a single Savior Schnapps in your inventory?
- Thankfully, the quest can be skipped, but it'll give you its "bad ending". There is an ornamental dagger hidden under a paving stone on the balcony next to the dormitory. If you don't mind a bit of collateral damage you can murder all the novices in their sleep, grab the spare set of keys from the pantry and escape within five minutes of the first night without needing any preplanning - apart from needing the Stealth Kill perk. Yes, it skips the whole quest and yes, it gives you a bad ending for it, but admit it, it's smart and it's understandable to do it.
- However, should Henry be a competent thief-type, the entire quest goes from That One Level to the best part of the entire game, as the main obstacle - lack of gear - is meaningless when all doors can be opened and circators avoided with stealth. It still requires overcoming various challenges, but in engaging and simply fun way.
No less than 30 minutes later, troper Stanisz added all of them back and commented them out
with the reason "If you expect people to correct the tone, how about leaving them content to correct, rather than just cutting it?" Around a week later, troper C Dan Red removed the commenting symbol and made the FakeDifficulty entry public with no edit reason.
Seeing Stanisz's reason, I decided to take a look at it myself and edited the entries
, with my own edit reason being "Grammar fixes, removed some entries (Miller seems more like Game-Breaker, Stealth is explained in the codex, and others are not that bad or seem to just be complaining), and tried to adjust the tone a tad to be more neutral." One of those removed entries was this, since most of it seemed to be unsalvageable complaining and one-sided:
- Fake Longevity: The game has few very blatant cases of intentionally making certain trival tasks take extra time. It is so widespread, numerous reviewers pointed this as an outright trick to claim "100 hours of gameplay", despite 20 or so is going to be filled with tedium.
- All the copious, lengthy and unskippable animations. They add absolutely nothing to the game, aside few extra seconds every time certain action is taken. Haggle and horse (dis)mounting is probably most guilty of this and also some of the most repeated actions.
- Fast travel on map can only be done over pre-planned paths and only toward handful of pre-made points of interest. In practice, this leads to Henry taking in-game hours to circle back and forth over particularly twisted path over a hillside or taking a detour over half of the map. And it doesn't matter if he's on foot or riding - the speed of fast travel is exactly the same, so once a mount is acquired, it's considerably faster to just ride manually rather than use the "fast" travel option.
- Additionally with horses, they move much slower on roads than off them. Most of the time, it's better to ride close to the road to keep track of where you're going, but not so close that the horse automatically attempts to get on it.
- Henry can't swim. Period. He can't ford rivers even when on horseback. Said rivers aren't deep and lack rapids of any sorts. Still, it takes to find what the game considers as a ford (where the water tends to be ankle-deep) or a bridge, which means a lot of back-and-forth travel toward nearest pass over river.
Hours later, Stanisz added the above entry back
with the reason of "Come on, mate..."
openDoes TV Tropes have any official social media accounts?
I was curious if TV Tropes has any other presence online like on Twitter or Facebook aside from just the website itself.
openBBC too soon.
- Base-Breaking Character: Yuehiro, the Transgender male Twi’lek, caused some controversy among the fanbase. In addition to the expected vocal minority of transphobes, there was also debate over whether it was realistic for him to take hormones the same way a transperson would in the real world, since medical technology in the GFFA would presumably be miles advanced of our own, not to mention the differences between human and Twi’lek biology. The author herself
eventually addressed this on her Twitter and Tumblr, stating that it was mostly just Rule of Cool.
The work released October 12, 2021, so it's too soon for BBC which needs 6 months.
It's currently the only trope on the page. Should the page be cut or is there anything else to add to it/replace BBC with?
openIs Ship Sinking a main page or YMMV trope?
I believe I read somewhere that it is a main page trope but I also often find it on the YMMV pages like these from Once Upon A Time:
- Ship Sinking:
- Graham/Emma was sunk with Graham's death.
- "Selfless, Brave, and True" torpedoed Emma/August when the latter is rejuvenated into a little boy. This will never be able without Squick. Fans briefly regained hope when August regained his old body in Season 4, only for Emma to confirm their relationship is Like Brother and Sister.
- Similarly, Baelfire/Wendy is no longer a possibility, as Baelfire grew up and Wendy did not.
- Peter Pan/Henry sunk like a rock after "Think Lovely Thoughts".
- Swanfire as Neal is Killed Off for Real in 'Quiet Minds'. Diehard fans of the ship hoped for some kind of reunion when Emma traveled to the Underworld, only for the writers to reveal that Neal Ascended to a Higher Plane of Existence, leaving no doubt as to the chances of it actually happening.
- Rumbelle seems to have been sunk in the Season 4 winter finale, as Belle laments how she'll never be first in his heart, says she can't see any good in him anymore, and then banishes him from Storybrooke. However, it's on its way to righting itself again in Season 5.
- Swan Queen has been sunk by the show's creators, who stated at San Diego Comic-Con 2013 that it was never going to happen. In-Universe, it's sunk by Emma and Regina both hooking up with someone else without expressing any romantic inclination in each other, and even encouraging the other to go for their respective Love Interest.
So, should these be moved to the main page?
I am sorry if this is not the place to ask this but I did not know where else to go.
Edited by Bullmanopen[Resolved] Narm Flamebait?
Narm's subpages have the Flame Bait header on them even though Narm itself does not and they aren't listed anywhere else, and I've been wondering how does that work.
Edited by Amonimusopen Troper vandalizin’ character page. Videogame
Prest Otron has been tamperin’ Five Nights at Freddy's: First Generation, specifically the quotes. They changed them from in-game quotes to attacks on the FNAF fandom. Here is an example:
From:
To:
Dunno if they have been on other pages.
Edited by DelibirdaopenHow do I propose a new web series creator to be written here? Web Original
I would like to propose the addition of a new web series and its creator to this wiki, but I am not sure how. The creator is called Super Mario Richie and I feel that he desperately needs to be recorded here. I think his omission is unacceptable and I would like to see an effort made for his various works to have their tropes recorded here. I might try to start the page by myself, but I don’t have much free time these days. I hope you can help. Thank you.
openSandbox query
How can I make a Sandbox entry for myself or for anything that I can share that might be useful? Or do I need a Troper page too?
Edited by Tr0p6564rch6ropenOn Images for Newly-Launched Tropes
Launched my new trope earlier today, and I saw someone else added a pic to it. I know I forfeit any conceit of ownership when I launched it, but I feel the pic isn't clear enough (figuratively because I tend to think of the castle before Mickey Mouse for Disney, and literally because it's kinda fuzzy) and could also be misconstrued as Company Cross-References instead.
Is this the sort of thing I can just change myself, or can I ask in here since it's a recent launch? Or is this the type of thing that should be taken to the Image Suggestion Thread
or a new thread entirely?

I've edited MythologyGag.Nickelodeon All Star Brawl on various occasions in the past few months to add examples, some of which include external links to help back them up. (Here
are
some instances of this.) On the 12th of this month, Pgj1997 removed several of these links
, explaining in an edit reason after the fact
that Weblinks Are Not Examples.
While I understand the policy, I made an effort to write all of my examples such that the connection between something in the game and the original series it's based on was evident from the text alone, which means that their edits seem like they're overreaching. Put another way, I tried to abide by what the page itself says:
I don't want to risk edit warring, so I wanted to bring up the matter here to get others' opinions on this before taking any action.