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openOverly long entry Film
The YMMV page for Black Panther has a very long entry for Draco in Leather Pants:
- Thanks to his sympathetic backstory as well as the fact he makes a few good points about social and political issues, Killmonger has a few zealous fans who tend to completely overlook the fact that he's still a remorseless killer who has no qualms about innocent people (even children) dying for the sake of his goals. Sterling K. Brown even spoke out
about it, pointing out that while his intentions were noble, he committed several unambiguously evil acts including murdering his girlfriend, killing Zuri, and destroying the heart-shaped herb so he could keep the Black Panther powers for himself. Hell, his very first scene in the movie has him mocking a totally innocent tour guide for drinking poisoned coffee, just because her understanding of African history is based on Western academic beliefs (even though she's likely just repeating what she's been taught, and is actually being quite nice to him.) Marvel Studios themselves seem to have realized they made the character too sympathetic as the character's next appearance in the ''What If?'' series serves as a further indictment of the character by dismantling whatever justifications he has for his actions, demonstrating how flawed his plan is, and showing he cares more about himself than other black people.
This comes off more like an essay, and I think the opening lines make the point well enough. Should this be trimmed down?
Edited by Javertshark13open The Problem With Pen Island's subpages are too large and need cleanup
So, I went to The Problem with Pen Island's two subpages (both detailing This Very Wiki) and found a lot of typos. While this is not so bad as I usually fix it myself, the pages are huge, and it'd take me around an hour to clean up a folder.
Should we split the pages? What do we do about all the cleanup needed? And why has this gone unnoticed for so long? (Or am I not meant to touch those pages?)
Edited by ARandomPageopenMulti-language quote
So I checked out Administrivia.Text Formatting Rules to check out its quote formatting section and I didn't get the answer to my question, so here it is - how do we format a quote if the person switches languages throughout it?
Specifically, I'm eventually going to propose a Complete Monster quote, and the speaker is a Chinese-American who switches languages throughout the quote. For a brief excerpt, he says "I want you to show yourself for the good of all", then immediately switches to Chinese to say "I don't want to shoot you all". How would that be formatted? Would we just italicize the Chinese parts or something else??
openEvilIsCool.DemonSlayer Anime
I noticed in YMMV.Demon Slayer Kimetsu No Yaiba that the villains Doma and Muzan are listed under the trope Evil Is Cool. While you might be able to argue that Doma falls into this trope (I haven't read the manga), the reasons listed line up better with Love to Hate, which he's already listed as.
Muzan himself is another matter. Not only are his actions gratuitous and very excessive (including the way he acts towards his henchmen), he's also considered to be an Anti-Climax Boss due to the fight against him being thought of as less interesting than his subordinates due to him being Unskilled, but Strong.
Edited by 227someguyopenGainax Ending Cleanup?
So I wasn't sure about posting this in short term projects, as I wanted to get some consensus first.
But I was going through Gainax Ending after being potholed there and...it has some problems. I don't think the trope itself needs to be fixed, but there is some misuse, and it also leads into complaining as editors often use it as a way of saying "this ending is confusing and that means bad".
Here's an example:
- Lost seems like this trope if you have no knowledge of 2,000 year old religions like Neoplatonism or Gnosticism that it draws from (or can't type "dharma" into Wikipedia). Since the ending does make sense but is hidden under enough Mind Screw to not have an easy explanation, it is the second form of Gainax Ending. If an ending requires a couple of college courses (such as "Religious Studies") or other extensive off-screen research to understand it, it's a Gainax Ending.
Sniping aside, this example tells me precisely nothing about what actually happens in the ending of Lost. Now, I've seen it, but if I hadn't, this example would be the opposite of informative.
But there are plenty of examples where I haven't seen the thing in question, so I wouldn't know to correct them. But there are also a lot of ZC Es (one example in Film mentions a Sy Fy original but doesn't even name the film in question), that amount to "X movie has an ending that is totally crazy, nobody knows what it means!" without saying what makes the ending so crazy.
The example for Dr. T and the Women does this as it does mention what happens- "the protagonist ends up in Mexico and helps deliver a baby." which ironically leaves out the part this actually odd-he only gets to Mexico (presumably) because a tornado drops him there.
Is this a big enough issue to require a Clean-up thread? Or should I just correct the examples I know about (like Lost) and leave the rest up to others.
Also-should Gainax Ending really apply to say, season finales or the like? I saw an episode on Euphoria (which is what brought me here), that was basically "this season ends on a weird note, but then subsequent events make it more clear".
open Werewolf game? Videogame
I played an FMV adventure videogame in the late 90s or early 21st century. You played a cop of some sort, I think, and there were werewolves. The cop might have been a werewolf himself, I don't know.
Does anyone recognise this?
Edit: Sorry, I thought I **was** asking this on You know that show. Cheers.
Edited by BreehcNicdollopenNeed help with profile images
I've tried to give myself a profile image for years but can't. Can anyone help?
openHow to fix miscapitalized namespaces Videogame
So I noticed that Need for Speed has a Tear Jerker page, but the namespace is written Tearjerker.Need For Speed, and according to Administrivia.Namespace, it should be written TearJerker/. I remembered that we used to have a system of storing the content of a page on a Sandbox and then ask for the page to be cut so that it could be recreated with the properly capitalized namespace, but going over to the Sandbox I found out that the sandbox itself was cut, with the reason being "method seems to have been discontinued". I was wondering if I could be directed to what the current method is.
Edited by JamesAustinopenWeird Folder Titles
While randomly bouncing through the wiki, I ran across Asian Speekee Engrish. Everything seems fine, except every folder has switched R for L (instead of film-live action, it reads "Firm - Rive Action). The trope description is written normally, the examples are written normally (as far as I saw), just the folders have this.
I guess it's trying to be self demonstrating (except this is far more Japanese Ranguage, which is also normal), but it reads very badly, and not even consistently (Other is spelled Othel, which isn't even stereotypically correct).
Would it be okay to simply change the titles, or is there a process to go through?
openWork pages that act as genres
I brought this up a few days ago on the Roleplay cleanup thread
, but since the pages in question have a lot of inbounds I'd like to get a bit more input before doing anything with the pages.
Roleplay.Jumpchain and Fanfic.Planetarily Annihilating Self Insertion are pages that describe subgenres instead of specific works. Neither of them are in good enough shape that I feel comfortable putting them on the TPL (Jumpchain uses a lot of niche jargon that isn't explained and doesn't actually list any works of that subgenre, while Planetarily Annihilating Self Insertion is mostly extolling the virtues of a specific fanfic writer and is otherwise very bare of description).
Is it alright to cut the pages?
openMisuse on LethalJokeCharacter page Videogame
I saw a recent query about an edit on Lethal Joke Character, so I checked out the page to see what it was about.
I found that
- The trope description clearly says that this is a video game trope, and lists a number of related tropes that would apply to non-game contexts.
- Despite this, the example list has a entire section for "non-gaming examples", which is apparently large enough to be sub-divided into folders.
- One of the non-gaming folders is "real life". How can there be joke characters in real life?
This is of course rampant, systematized misuse, but what should we do about it? Does this warrant taking the trope to TRS (with the possibility of broadening the trope), or would a cleanup suffice? Unfortunately, I'm very pressed for time myself right now or I would already have started cleaning up, but I thought I'd at least report it.
Edited by GnomeTitanopenNo Title Western Animation
Hi!
I was reading the Recap for Transformers Animated S1 Ep 13 "Megatron Rising Part 1", & I don't know about anyone else, but the example for "Hypocrite" sounds a lot more like "Ungrateful Bastard", with Sari (in her quote), & then Bumblebee (defending her after she ran off), calling Optimus this.
Now, Optimus blowing up at his team for most, if not all, the same actions he himself took that stranded them on Earth to begin with, would be a better example for "Hypocrite".
openTroper with grammar problems
GXuniverse has some grammar problems in their edits. Here's a sample few:
From WesternAnimation.The Proud Family Louder And Prouder:
- Hartman Hips: Penny had wider hips than her original self. It meant show how she is older and mature.
From Fanfic.Miraculous Uncertain Future:
- Anyone Can Die:No characters is safe from being killed in this fic.
From Characters.Forever After:
- Lipstick Lesbian: She is the beautiful daughter of the sultan and dressed very feminine. She is also falls for Aladdin who is female in this story.
I sent a notifier for the Proud Family one.
openAccused of bias in my edits? Webcomic
So I'm in a bit of a pickle.
I was adding trivia entries to the Trivia section of a webcomic's article, with linked proof that the details I put really did happen, including the background behind it, and sourcing where they came from. However, a user reverted my edits, accusing me of being disingenuous and biased. I do also want to mention that one of my trivia entries with proof merely said one of the webcomic's author's tweet sounded like Trump— but the same user accused me of comparing the author themselves to Trump, and reasoned "the keyword here is 'LIKE'."
I don't want to get into an edit war with this person, I just wanted to neutrally show how the webcomic itself and its authors have been problematic with evidence. I'm not sure what to do, I never acted opinionated about it in any way.
open Ryulong
Ryulong added examples with bad indenration to Lethal Joke Character, here
.
Their name is somewhat faniliar to me (I accidently deleted all PM last year). Regardless, I sent them indentation notifier (I were sleepy, else I would fix it myself then).
They replied, claimed that they did nothing wrong. So they 1. is totally clueless about Example Indentation in Trope Lists, and 2. doesn't bother to check the link in notifier.
As noted, their name is vaguely familiar to me and it's possible that their prpblem is long term (their recent edit seems fine, however). So I would like to post it here, and will fix the entry after this message.
Edited by KuruniopenMutually exclusive YMMV?
- Complete Monster: The Darkling, also known as the Black Heretic and Aleksander Morozova, is a narcissist who deceives Alina, who desperately wants to see the good in him, into believing he is a good man despite his cruelty. A narcissist, stalker, and abuser, the Darkling exploits the emotional, psychological, and sexual vulnerabilities of Alina and the other Grisha, while blaming others for his own failings and for the violence he inflicts upon them. He sexually harasses and stalks Alina; blinds his mother for warning Alina about him; mutilates Genya for helping Alina escape; threatens to torture Mal and Alina in front of one another to ensure their cooperation; hunts down and kills Alina's only maternal figure; and erases an entire town from the map in a demonstration of his power. Aiming to destroy all nations besides Ravka, Darkling reveals that his goal is not to empower the Grisha, as he had claimed, but to rule the world in his own name with Alina as his enslaved, mentally-broken bride.
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: The Darkling already got this in the text proper due to the ambiguous nature of how he was written. But when you come to know that the Grisha were essentially the Ravkan equivalent of the Jewish community, he goes from a Complete Monster to a liberator of his race who is unfairly persecuted and pushed into villainy by an oppressive monarchy. Plus both in this trilogy and in later books in the series, we learn just how horribly other countries in this world treat Grisha, from vivisecting them or killing them for their blood to enslaving them or burning them as witches, and later developing a drug to further control and enslave them which makes the Darkling's desire to build a truly safe refuge for his people much more understandable.
The seem incompatible as CM has been vetted to be beyond any valid sympathy which US is about. (I guess they could overlap if it was before they fully cross the line but this doesn't seem the case.) The CM entry states the "Sympathetic" stuff is done out of self-serving lies/motivations. The US entry may be more an un-cited Unfortunate Implications over making one undergoing such racial prejudice pure evil, or Draco in Leather Pants / Misaimed Fandom without the explanation how it's whitewashing.
Should the US be cut as CM is vetted to a higher standard? Or what? This a question for CM cleanup?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaughtopen Possible High Crate sock again?
While monitoring the Future Works pages for High Crate socks I might have found another one but I can't say for certain because there haven't been many edits.
The very first edit of the brand new account borkfestsassage has an edit reason nearly identical to the editing style of HC, the third edit is mass commenting out ZCEs (not a problem by itself but not something you'd expect a new account to do), and it was created shortly after HC's last account got taken out. Is it HC?
(I know there isn't much to go on, I'm just kind of suspicious.)
Edited by themayorofsimpleton
HoMM Fan
openPage in the wrong namespace with no content
Wasn't sure where else to bring this up but
Paradox Expanded Universe Fan Factions seems to be a fan page of some sort for Red Alert 3 Paradox Expanded Universe (which itself is a fan page for Red Alert 3: Paradox... itself a mod of Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3. Yeah, quite a sequence).
It's currently in the TRS queue, but it's not a trope, it's a page incorrectly placed into the Main namespace and consists of nothing but ZCEs. Pretty sure this is safe to cut along with its laconic page, and I would have done so already if it wasn't in the queue for the TRS. Permission to cut it and get it out of the TRS queue afterwards?
Also, we should see about moving Red Alert 3 Paradox Expanded Universe to a Fan Work namespace, as it's not really a Franchise either, but that's secondary.

I can come up with a number of tropes that get launched from the TLP and don’t get crosswicked for a while, such as Single-Season Country, Poisoned Drink Drop, and many more. If nothing is done to these pages for a period of time, they’ll eventually fade to dust.
As someone who takes the time to crosswick pages after I launch them, I think it’s really annoying and unfair to people like me who put in the extra work to make sure the page is just like any others.
I didn’t go to the Projects: Short Term forum and start a cleanup thread because I don’t know if this is a big enough problem to warrant one. I think we should always PM the launcher and ask them to crosswick their page, and after so many warnings, action gets taken.
Is anyone else annoyed by this? I think, at the very least, you should be required to add the trope to Pages Needing Wicks if you’re not going to bother to crosswick them yourself.
Edited by MylesHenryVigilSr