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openInappropriate entry re-added to YMMV/TheLoudHouse Western Animation
A week ago, Braz re-added the entry below to YMMV.The Loud House, which was previously added and then removed after being mentioned in this past query
(the reasoning was because it was considered too creepy and misuse of the YMMV item).
- Fanwork-Only Fans: It's becoming increasingly common for fans to engage themselves in the fanart community rather than the show itself. This is due to three reasons: one, the TLH fandom is generally a highly active community, with fan works galore that often go beyond what the show is constrained to, either darkly so or within the series' lightered premise. Two, the show built up a notorious reputation for its gargantuan amounts of Rule 34, mainly involving Brother–Sister Incest and lolicon. It's not uncommon for people to be introduced to the series via Loudcest, especially since there's a highly popular Fan Verse centered around it. Lastly, some people just consider the show to be too generic to invest in, and find the fan works to be far more interesting.
I'm calling for the entry to be deleted again, since it's exactly the same as the past version.
Edited by Inky100open Russian translation
Hello, dear tropers, I'm kinda a noob on this website. In short, I have a school project, which is a big pain in the ass for me(and not only for me), and so as the theme for this project i choosed a translation of TV Tropes into russian language. If you care about that, I don't support russian invasion in Ukraine and, in fact, I myself am from Ukraine. The problem is that, if I properly understood forum pages, you can make an article in russian, but you can't use russian letters in links(UR Ls). What i suggest(albeit I'm not the first one who suggests this) is making links(UR Ls) in translit or of the form like /Ru/(page name in english)(rus).Aren't there any problems with that? Would be glad to see any explanations. I don't really have much choice. If it's not possible to post those translated articles on TV Tropes, i just could post them in the free share. It's just that it would be uglier cause many articles here also contain subpages like "YMMV", "Laconic", "Self-Demonstration" etc. I know it's not good to ask so, but it would be better if i get replies ASAP because first deadline is coming soon. See y'all later
open A certain European animated short Western Animation
In the tropes Bungled Suicide and Happily Failed Suicide, there's a mention on the Western Animation folders that there's an 80's Eastern-European short about "a despondent man trying to kill himself, but when he's faced by robbers, he gives away all of his posession, clothes included, and ends up happy and appreciating life after being spared". I can't find anything about this short on the web, and a twitter account stated that this short is probably non-existant. Anybody knows what the short is called?
Edited by Numbuh1507openYMMV Question
I was reading the YMMV page for Lloyd in Space and I found this entry for Early-Installment Weirdness. I know it needs to be moved anyway, but this sub-entry made me pause.
- Nora seems a lot more strict on Lloyd in the first episode, and while it can be justified in regards to Lloyd's 'actions', she doesn't even give him the chance to explain himself. 'Actions' is used in air quotes considering that MOST of Lloyd's mistakes in the episode were complete accidents outside of his control, most of which he was pushed into by actual adults, none of who Nora turns her ire towards in any way. She doesn't even admit that they were accidents or say sorry for jumping the gun, nor does she ever confront Frank for giving Lloyd the controls to his police cruiser. Considering how Nora acts in other episodes, giving valid reasons for why she acts the way she does, it's surprising that Lloyd and she don't have that kind of talk here, merely brushing it to the side with 'yeah you disobeyed my orders, but since it was for a 'good reason' I can't do anything about it'. It would have benefitted the episode GREATLY from the dumpster fire it is if Lloyd and she had a talk similar to the one they had in 'Nora's Big Date'. If she owned up to HER mistakes and admitted she jumped the gun and didn't think rationally about the situation and how much at fault Lloyd truly was, it could have given Lloyd a lesson on what it REALLY means to be not just a man, but an ADULT; Owning to your mistakes. Regardless of what could have been, this is Nora's weakest moment in the series. If not for the Halloween episode, this might be the weakest episode overall in the show with how flimsy and unthought-out it is.
Should I move this as well, or should I just outright delete it.
open Edit war on a Funny moment
Streamof Consciousness added an entry
on Funny.Hololive about a key visual depicting one character with his hand slightly masking his forehead. They think it's a Facepalm; I do not, hence why I deleted it
. Rather than open up a thread in the discussion tab while I wasn't around to respond to their DM, StreamofConsciousness found it in good taste to re-add the entry
, however slightly reworded it is, and even tried to justify themself with a mouthful edit reason that includes quoting the trope page.
Even with StreamofConsciousness's justification, I still don't see how Vesper Noir's new key visual is anything other than looking cool.

openMetal Gear Rising Revengeance's Meme page Videogame
So, I think there is apparently the fact about the Memes page of Metal Gear. However, there seems to be also a separate Memes page of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, despite the fact that the former also happens to include Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance itself.
This includes some memes similar between the both or significantly different ones, and some that are not included in one page or the other.
My guess is probably it'll have to be merged (either in MGRR's own page and note in the main Metal Gear's page that a separate page exists for it, or cut the separate page and put them all in the franchise's meme page), but considering how much the meta went with the game itself rather than the entire franchise, I'm in favor of merging them all into giving Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance it's own separate page of memes from the rest of Metal Gear.
The page in question was first created in Jan 22nd 2023
, by GRD.
I need suggestions and opinions for further help. Thank you.
Edited by JustNormalMusicLoveropenAvoiding an Edit War
So on YMMV.Glass Onion I deleted
this entry:
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: The film does its best to paint Andi as a victim whose life her identical sister Helen and Blanc seek to avenge by ruining Miles’s life. Yet a few viewers, along with Honest Trailers, point to several details in the film that suggest she may have actually been an Asshole Victim who wasn’t any better than Miles and rest of the Disruptors. First, she’s the one who gathered all the Disruptors together in the first place and encouraged them to pursue their ambitions as well as bringing Miles into the group, instigating the story’s events. Second, the all important napkin Andi wrote her business ideas on is about about “crypto scalability” which is extremely dodgy and casts Andi in a more negative light than Johnson likely intended. Not to mention, despite being pretty wealthy as a co-founder of a company, Andi apparently didn’t share a single dime with her sister Helen who is baffled and out of her depth by the luxury on display. While the film is all about deriding the frequent stupidity and callousness of billionaires, it doesn’t acknowledge that Andi (given what we see of her) may not have been an exception to the rule either.
I deleted after the Unintentionally Unsympathetic decided
that Andi is not supposed to be sympathetic. Well Dragon 101 added
a new entry for her:
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Helen seems to put her sister on a pedestal and is determined to uncover her murderer, and looks down on all of the terrible people And surrounded herself with; all the same, Andi did surround herself with terrible people and arguably was even the one who corrupted some of them in the first place, and seemed as concerned with her own legacy and wealth as Miles was- in short, she's likely just as bad as the rest of them (and maybe worse for seemingly being the most intelligent), which undermines the triumphant ending where she is avenged.
They didn't discuss this anywhere and it still runs into the same issue. I don't know what to do as I can't remove it without Edit Warring.
open OvershadowedByControversy misuse added back
OvershadowedByControversy.Western Animation
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic:
- The fandom itself suffers from it as well, due to attracting an adult, often male, Periphery Demographic and the fact that a few of said periphery fans have done things that reflected badly on the whole fandom. Having quite a bit of, shall we say, controversial fan art, has ignited some online wars as well, especially when some was made with racist intent.
I previously deleted a similar example (by a seperate troper) per OBC cleanup
as many works have such objectionable fan behavior without effecting the works reception and FIM's success means such was objectively insufficient to overshadow it. Permission to re-remove it and add a note since it's a repeated issue now?
openKingdom name changes Anime
Hey there. So I was thinking of making large-scale changes to add in more information to the Kingdom characters page regarding English voice actors as well as switching over to Chinese pronunciations as the primary way of referring to stuff. Anyone object to this? My reasoning is that not only does the English dub of the anime use Chinese pronunciations, the story itself is set during a seminal period fo Chinese history, the Warring States. As a Chinese person it feels a bit weird to see all these historical figures from my cultural background being referred to with Japanese pronunciation.
openOdd Stub Page Literature
A Place of Greater Safety has a lot of tropes... on its character pages. The work page itself has a full description but no trope entries, not even commented-out entries.
What to do here?
open UnintentionalUncannyValley misuse: not unintentional?
- Unintentional Uncanny Valley:
- In an intentional case, Geras is practically a walking Uncanny Valley, between having some part of his flesh held together with metal while others having perfect cracks in between, his voice being artificial sounding yet emotional, and coming back to life by unwinding himself perfectly, he is one of the most unsettling characters in the franchise.
- Frost invokes this, being a Cyborg who looks generally human enough that the specific ways her body moves, twists, turns, and separates will make you constantly go "HER BODY SHOULD NOT DO THAT". Her Friendship, in which, after skating on ice for a while, she starts spinning her entire body while her head is completely still makes her look surprisingly creepy.
If it was invoked/intentional it doesn't sound Unintentional, so is that misuse? There are many such examples that were just moved from Uncanny Valley when it was made In-Universe Examples Only.
Uncanny Valley TRS
voted to also allow intentional examples under Uncanny Valley. These fine to move?
- Unintentional Uncanny Valley: In designing and animating the E.M.M.I., the developers have somehow managed to apply this trope to non-humanoid robots. An E.M.M.I. essentially has a head, a "torso", and four long limbs, so you'd expect it to move more-or-less like an animal, right? Wrong. That thing bends its limbs and "spine" in all the wrong directions, performing unpredictable and anatomically impossible feats that even on a robot look just plain wrong. It looks less like what you'd expect of a robot and more like an unearthly Mechanical Abomination, making a foe that's already frightening enough in gameplay alone even scarier. Unlike most examples of Uncanny Valley, however, this one works in the E.M.M.I.s' favor, emphasizing how unnatural and dangerous they are.
Given E.M.M.I.s' were supposed to horrifying this was likely intentional. What to do? Can they be moved to Uncanny Valley as well?
openA Scene in Rugrats Go Wild That Never Actually Happened(?) Western Animation
So I was rechecking the page for Rugrats Go Wild! and noticed Little Master Points's entries regarding some stuff, particularily:
- Bowel-Breaking Bricks: When the coconuts fall out of the net during the rescue scene, as the first attempt at rescuing the bathysphere fails, it is symbolic of the adults messing themselves like Angelica does when they cut to the underwater scene.
- Bring My Brown Pants: A flying bird, Siri the Clouded Leopard, Angelica, and the giant squid either poop or release a cloud of ink (the squid) when frightened or defeated. This is her comeuppance, in the case of Angelica, for her mean-spirited song, in which she repeatedly told the babies not to make any smells.
And under the Continuity Nod entry...
- Angelica gets her comeuppance for her Island Princess song and all the mean things she said and did in the form of something very similar to what happened to Siri the Clouded Leopard right before Spike told her to examine her diet. Angelitiki ends up messing herself, which she told the babies not to do in her song, in the submarine around 65-70 minutes. She is the only character seen wearing entirely different clothes on the cruise and not interacting with the others.
This is also brought on so-on-and-so-forth by the same troper.
A reason I want to bring this up is because I recently rewatched the movie and while there are toilet jokes, I never saw Angelica messing herself. Did I miss something, or do I have a valid reason to see this as highly concerning?
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryopenCharacters page with no work page?
I recently stumbled upon the page Super Dangansand Dragons 2 World Tourmisc. I can't find an actual work page with this name, so it's just floating around by itself. Does anybody know anything about this?
openCreator page guidelines
I was reading another question, which led me to the Creator Page Guidelines page. While there, I noted the following entry under "What should not go on creator pages":
- Tropes that apply to individual works they've created. Any tropes listed should be relevant to their work as a whole, not to just one work. So if a trope only applies to one work they've made, please list it on that work's page instead.
I... have some concerns about this rule.
Suppose a work doesn't have a page yet, but someone finds a trope that fits that specific work while not being used in multiple works by the creator. That work don't have enough tropes listed already to give it its own page though. (The rule is generally three for Work pages, from what I've been told; I prefer at least ten, the minimum required for an actual Trope page.)
In a case like that, would it be okay to temporarily crosswick the trope to an already-existing creator page (with a note on which of their works it belongs to), until people have found and listed enough tropes to give that work its own page? Once the work does have its own page, of course, the tropes would be moved from the Creator page to the work page.
And in the meantime, having them all gathered in a single location (besides a Sandbox — I mainly use mine for Works where I'm putting together the header as well) would make it easier to create such a Work page. (I should know; I've done that myself more than once — looked at a Creator page, found it had sufficient tropes for a specific Work, and moved those tropes to the Work's page.)
Until next time...
Anon e Mouse Jr.
Edited by AnoneMouseJropenPage copied from website
The Fantasy Novelists Exam's contents are copied from the website itself, with various potholes added. I brought it up on the copy/paste cleanup thread, but didn't get an answer there on what to do with it.
My view is that since the site says the content is copyrighted and there's no indication we got special permission to reproduce it the way we did the Evil Overlord List, the page needs to either be rewritten to trope it normally, or cutlisted. Thoughts?
openGlass Onion Author Tract example Film
Recently, I added this particular example on Glass Onion YMMV page because I personally thought it's fitting, but not everyone may think so as well, so I thought it should be a YMMV example:
- Author Tract: Miles Bron's description of his fellow "Disruptors" as the ones who influence society by constantly breaking status quos, starting from things people wanted to break all along to things so beloved that nobody wants them to break, could be interpreted as Johnson's tract on his own filmmaking style, which has a tendency to subvert traditional narrative conventions in favor of something new even if it generates controversy in the process. This is especially more relevant when one considers the case of Star Wars: Episode VIII — The Last Jedi, a film directed by Johnson that subverts many expectations and conventions of the Star Wars universe to the point that it created an uproar among the fanbase, which still has lasting effects to the series and Johnson's own reputation to this day.
Then another troper AyyItsMidnight
deleted it by reasoning that it's not a YMMV trope, so I was wondering if this example could be added somewhere else? Or is it not applicable at all? I personally thought that the whole scene with Miles Bron explaining about "Disruptors" is quite reflective of Rian Johnson himself and his directing style, even if it's not the intended effect. Rian often breaks trends and conventions simply because he could, and that one time he caused a large rift in the Star Wars fandom with The Last Jedi that still has lasting effects today, so I thought the example applies in this case.
openHTTYD Cleanup
I've noticed that the How To Train Your Dragon has not been worked on in quite some time. Almost every subpage is written in a way that tells me it hasn't been changed since the initial release (2010) or around that time.
Countless entries are riddled with errors, random comments or opinions, and other things that should either belong in YMMV, or nowhere at all. It seems very unprofessional. Under Leitmotif, for example, there is a comment at the end that just gushes about how great the composer was for using this trope:
- Comment: Our hero, ladies and gentlemen.
I would make these edits myself, but there are so many issues with this page that I think a clean-up may be warranted.
Edited by ovskiiopenBrokenAesop.Naruto
Mister OM added this entry to BrokenAesop.Naruto on November 28th (bold emphasis mine):
- The story often carries out, whether intentionally or not, the message that “anybody can become the best through determination and hard work, and if you can’t, then you just need to try harder”. And the story even tries to pass on the main cast as examples of people who fit that criteria…except that they don’t. The strongest characters in the series, both good and bad, are often people who were born with either great inner strength by virtue of who or what they are, or born to really powerful, gifted or wealthy families and whatnot. Naruto himself and nearly every other character of any significance became stronger and stronger by virtue of the legacies that were passed down to them (in Naruto's case, no less than four ultra-powerful legacies, on top of the all-powerful demon sealed inside of him) leaving everyone who isn't a Person Shaped Can o' Evil or named Uchiha (and most of those besides) far behind in the dust. For all the series’s talk about hard work and determination, Hard Work Hardly Works is more in effect here. Sure, Naruto and Sasuke (and everybody else this applies to) did have to train, sweat and bleed to get where they are now, but it doesn’t change the fact that they had access to advantages, powers and shortcuts that normal people and ninjas wouldn’t have access to, and that they didn’t even have to do anything at all to get those powers bestowed upon them. Granted, some of these powers come with negative side-effects to counterbalance that problem, but even that doesn’t really mean much since Naruto and Sasuke both eventually find ways to overcome these side effects.
It is generally agreed upon that this aesop doesn't actually exist in the series and was made up by detractors. Despite this, this entry tries to circumvent this with "intentionally or not". Similar entries to this were argued upon in the past, which is why I'm bringing it here so it doesn't become an edit war.
Edited by SatoshiBakuraopenFolders/Sections on the Shonen Jump page Anime
I'm not going to mince words on it: I think the Shonen Jump page is a complete mess, namely all of the folders and sections in the middle of the page. IMO there's way too many folders, too many gigantic folders, a bunch of weird placements that don't make intuitive sense, a bizarre Adaptations section, etc. I don't know when exactly this happened (based on the Discussion page this has been sitting like this since ~2019) but I do remember the older version of this page from years back and while it wasn't necessarily perfect it was significantly more usable than the page in its current state.
I'm bringing this up here to at the very least draw some attention to it and get some responses and feedback on what should be done before proceeding on anything. Cleaning it up would be quite a bit of work for me to do by myself/on a single go so I would appreciate any help with it, and I'd like to get some consensus on a few things with it as well. Biggest part would be addressing some of the sister mags; while most of the folders are IMO superfluous I do think some are at least worth highlighting given the overlaps involved (for example Viz's Shonen Jump app pulls from Jump+, Jump Square, and V-Jump).

This was added to YMMV.The Last Jedi.
This has been heavily debated, more points for both sides raised than can be summed up here, and removed prior. My thoughts is it's misuse as that wasn't the reason Poe went through with the attack that might have had zero casualties if called off, and it was only due to hyperspace tracking that was unforeseeable and thought impossible that he was proven "right" through luck.
Maybe IW applies due to this being the same kind of poor planning/Hollywood Tactics that was normal and overlooked as bad for the series prior making Poe's condemnation for it seem unfair. It’s likely why this is so ongoingly contentious.
Might Moral Luck apply? My belief is that it only should apply in international/self-aware moments, but I've seen it used for unintentional examples as complaining redundant with Unintentionally Sympathetic/Unsympathetic. Cleanup argued against putting ML under the Writing Pitfall Index so use as a complaint/unintentional examples seem misuse.