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openHow can I add an alternative linkable title for a work? Literature
Specifically, the Scum Villain's Self-Saving System. Right now I can only link to it by typing out the full whopping The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System: Ren Zha Fanpai Zijiu Xitong which is just kind of silly!!!! The Scum Villains Self Saving System is already long enough and should work just as well.
openThe Definition of "Salvaged Story"
According to the Laconic page, it's "A poorly-received story or aspect is recontextualized to fix its issues, while still keeping it canon." But I keep seeing it be misused as a way to include a Author's Saving Throw example without the citation.
Like this example in YMMV.Like A Dragon Pirate Yakuza In Hawaii:
- Salvaged Story: Bryce Fairchild, considered an underwhelming villain in Infinite Wealth, is given a fair bit of backstory in this game and remains a consistent Greater-Scope Villain owing to his actions in the previous game having lasting ramifications here well after his arrest. All while not even being present at any point in this game.
Nothing was retconned here. This is just a poorly-received character from the previous game getting more fleshed out in this game without recontextualizing anything about him or his actions.
This is just the most recent example I've seen. Am I just misunderstanding the trope myself or should something be done to clear up any confusion about what counts as a Salvaged Story?
Edited by Sugarp1e1openRPG Cliches list
Is there a reason Website.The Grand List Of Console Role Playing Game Cliches has 8 small subpages in the Main/ namespace instead of having the list be on the page itself? I'm questioning the organization, not the list itself.
Is this a TRS issue?
openAm I having a Mandela Effect or was there a self-demonstrating page for Tommy Wiseau?
Okay so like I’m not sure how to explain it, but after I was done eating, an image popped into my head about a self demonstrating page for tommy wiseau, it seemed legit so I decided to log onto this site and search for the said page, first thing I did was search for "self-demonstrating tommy wiseau", nothing came up, i decided to double check, nothing, thn, it hit me, was there such thing as a Tommy Wiseau self-demonstrating page? maybe I’m just not look right but who knows.
openCybirddude
So, I've been mulling over whether or not I should make this report for... well, honestly a long time now. Because the thing is, most of Cybirddude's contributions to the TLP are fine. Most of their drafts launch without issue and at times they are very dedicated to keeping misuse away and fixing problems. Other times, though... Well, I decided to finally bite the bullet and say something because there has been a pattern, for years, of reported issues just... kinda going ignored, unless they're really pushed to listen? Here's a list I compiled, out of order because of the annoying TLP history "sorting" (for reference, the list
features active drafts from May at the top, then Jan, then August... it's a confusing mess).
And they have so many drafts, obviously I couldn't go back and check literally every single one. But of the ones I did check, I found:
- Preemptive Threat Elimination
— Never responding to whether or not heroes are allowed, but adding examples of them despite the villain-focused description
- Does Not Like Dogs
— No acknowledgement on the definition issues, despite multiple attempts to discuss them
- Magically Inflicted Disability
— No response to Malady's concerns and ignoring the formatting error they made in posting my examples. Also the first case I really noticed the lack of full crosswicking when the page was launched.
- Flashy Fraud vs. Subtle Substance
— Didn't respond to concerns right away despite definitely reading the posts the concerns were posted on. Even after removing some of the iffy examples, they still added one that had the exact same misuse issue.
- Belated Child Discipline
— Launched with the current name, ignoring my post of concern (which is also the last one on the entire draft).
- Share the Sickness
— Launched while ignoring an entire post suggesting writing tweaks, many of which were just fixing grammar mistakes.
- Love Interest vs Lust Interest
— The subject of a huge back and forth, because they added a bunch of misused examples and didn't fix the problem until multiple attempts later, even after telling them directly what the issue was. The draft had to be sent back to TLP as a result.
And the issue of them not fully crosswicking stuff remains. Ignoring their most recent launch (Flashy Fraud vs. Subtle Substance) which is still new enough to keep working on, we can examine Boast Backfire, the one before that, which has several examples that had launched with it yet haven't been crosswicked. I've been unsure if I should say anything on this point for a long while because they're bringing their drafts up to healthy levels and sponsors not doing full crosswicking is an issue that many are guilty of, not just cybird.
Once again I want to reiterate that a majority of their TLP contributions are positive, most of their drafts have launched without any real issues, and there are cases (like this current draft
) where they take misuse issues very seriously. But in too many cases over the past two years, getting them to even just acknowledge certain concerns has been very difficult. I don't want to seem like I'm jumping the gun to accuse them of being a bad sponsor, but I want to make sure these problems are addressed because it's been going on for a very long time with the same pattern continuing to present itself.
openDMOS entries Videogame
On the Video Games page, there is the following entries:
- Five Nights at Freddy's:
- Dr Y 9 K: Five Nights at Freddy's: Sister Location and its stupid twist in the end. Before I go on, let me just say that for the most part, I found Sister Location rather disappointing. I was disappointed with the gameplay, the lack of cameras save for the Private Room, Ennard's canon design, and I was especially disappointed with the non-canon Custom Night. The only redeeming quality for the game was the animatronics themselves. But even that didn't last long. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you what may be the series' worst twist possible: the identity of Springtrap. For almost two years, we were led to believe he was actually William Afton, the series Big Bad, dead and revived. But then the creator released a cutscene, that pretty much confirmed he was actually Michael Afton, William Afton's son. What? You mean to tell me that Springtrap is not the Creepy Awesome Robotic Psychopath I thought he was, but yet another innocent(?) soul? That was terrible! That was the worst, most character-derailing Ass Pull I had ever seen! It made me permanently disown the series and stop liking it! For so long, Springtrap had been one of my favorite animatronics, since I always saw him as the only legitimately "evil" animatronic. Now I can't look at him or enjoy him the same way anymore. The creator said he wanted Springtrap to return, and so did I, for a while. But now? I want nothing to do with him, or this age-old series.
- batmany: I was really looking forward to the release of Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria Simulator (AKA FNAF 6) in the hopes it would finally wrap up some of the numerous plot twists and mysteries of the franchise. Well, the game was released earlier this week and....well, it makes absolutely no sense. The reason why is because it utterly contradicts everything established in previous games. The ghostly children being freed in FNAF 3? Nope, they're now possessing Molten Freddy! How? When? At no point (apart from Baby) were any of the Funtime Animatronics ever haunted by ghosts. Remember in Sister Location how Baby didn't like being created for murder and wanted to be free? Remember how Elizabeth (William's Daughter) was an innocent victim of a tragic accident? Now she's daddy's little killer! Why? There was absolutely no indication that either had any interest in murder. And, speaking of Sister Location, now William Afton is Springtrap instead of his son Michael. Nevermind the fact that the Custom Night in SL strongly hinted that Michael was Springtrap and that the Freddy Files guide book even stated that this idea was entirely plausable. Speaking of Michael, he dies in this game by sacrificing himself in a fire with the other Animatronics. Apparently Scott forgot or is completely ignoring that Michael is cursed with immortality. Also, Springtrap survived a fire before so why would this one be any different? William Afton has gone from a evil genius serial killer who lurks behind the scenes to what can best be described as a poor man's version of The Joker. Fazbear Corporate went from being an incompetent if well-meaning company with some questionable business practices to a blatantly over-the-top corrupt one with no regards to safety whatsoever. I could go on and on about how this game did a piss-poor way of explaining things. I feel Scott was more concerned with trying to appease fans who were not happy with Sister Location's plot twists and haphazardly trying to wrap everything up in a neat little bow. Scott, please, if you ever make another FNAF game, give me "Miketrap" and "Freakshow Baby" and retcon this mess of a game out of existence.
- DukeNukem4ever: Mine would be the fact that the mystery of the Bite of '87 and existence of Shadow animatronics went completely unexplained. Since this is (currently) the Grand Finale, I was expecting these things to become finally clear. But no, once again we have to draw suggestions what exactly happened back then. The creator pulled this trick back in Five Nights at Freddy's 4, and now he did it again. As much as I respect Scott Cawthon, I sometimes can't understand his logic. And apparently I am not the only one to think so.
Duke's entry is fine to stay, but there are problems with the other two:
- DrY9K's entry is based on the complete misunderstanding that Springtrap is Michael, when Scott Cawthon has gone on record to say this was never the intention and that the SL Custom Night cutscene was misunderstood by the fandom.
- The boldened part of Batmany's entry is also about Miketrap, which was already explained above. It also questions as to why fire could kill Mike and William, when the game itself explains that fire is the weakness that gets rid of their immortality (Remnant).
As "Correcting factually incorrect information about the work" is a justified reason to edit another user's DMOS entry, should Dr's entry and the boldened part of Batmany's entry both be deleted?
openDrink!! Again!! Film
I’m not troper, don’t think I’m capable of doing all the appropriate linking, but there is a Hard Drinking trope missing. The trope where an older, stronger character tells a younger character to “Drink! Again!” when they are sad or depressed about something. I saw there was a “drowning your sorrows” trope, but this isn’t the same. This is not a character falling into addiction, this is a one time event. The older character is wiser, usually a heavy drinker himself, and he knows that this younger, inexperienced character needs a few drinks to cope with the new/shocking/depressing/traumatic event he just went through. While this drink is occurring the older character is almost always dispensing wisdom, usually on how he’s been through whatever the younger character is experiencing, and life will be fine on the other side. Alcohol is the best short term solution, and he’s right, because by the end of the talk the younger character seems to move entirely past whatever was bothering him before, and is actually stronger and more mature when we see him again.
openA bit of weirdness going on with Mouthscreen
palatiinas appears to have a fixation on the Mouthscreen trope. That's not a bad thing in and of itself, but in a lot of their examples, they seem to feel the need to point that "X character's mouth is played by Y actor's mouth", which is unnecessary and seems a bit weird and fetish-y to me.
I'm asking if I can remove those details and what is the appropriate notifier to send here.
openAPP Goofy Movie fanfic trope inquiry Film
I’m in need of assistance to determine which trope would best fit this highlight from my fanfic story “Face Off with Principal Mazur”:
PM: Ah yes. Mr. Goof. And the young man who incited that little riot at the assembly last year. G: Now see here. My Max is no juvenile delinquent and did not start a riot at all. PM: And how do you know that? (Roxanne then enters.) R: Because I saw what went on at that assembly. He wasn’t trying to incite any violence. All the other students were cheering for him and his Powerline performance because they loved it. And he and his dad also got to dance alongside the real Powerline himself at his concert in LA. My friends and I were watching, and they obviously impressed Powerline with their own dance moves, and he decided to make it part of his show without any objection. (Mazur just scoffs) PM: Another hijacking. Disrespect. That’s what’s wrong with today’s kids, don’t know when to stop making things miserable for others.
Basically, what this implies is that rather than acknowledge Max and Goofy’s talent and apologize for his misleading exaggeration to Goofy, he just flippantly disregards their dance as “another hijacking” and how today’s kids don’t know when to stop making others miserable.
openAnother questionable edit
Yesterday, I found this
had been done to the page quote for Never Needs Sharpening. The editor, Tropers/A9home, went on to tweek this edit for a bit. What I want to know is if this was something that was necessary or allowed.
This is the quote as it stands now (added part in bold):
Markup nullifying markup ([==]) was used to reveal the edit
Edited by BKelly95openMinimum requirements to pitch a work page in the Trope Launch Pad?
I'm planning to create a work page for a fanfic series, and would like to pitch it to the Trope Launch Pad so I have some help in polishing, cleanup and finding examples before I create the page. After seeing the little information there is in Work Pages Are a Free Launch, I'd like to know what are the general minimum requirements to pitch a work page in the TLP, regarding the fields of general description, trope examples and indexes that the work page will be part of.
Thus far, this is what I have written for the work page:
Charlie's Angels is a Hellaverse fanfic series (primarily focused on the cast and settings of Hazbin Hotel, but later also incorporating characters from Helluva Boss in side roles) written by Kkat (of Fallout: Equestria fame) and published on Archive of Our Own. Started on April 6, 2024 and still ongoing, the series is a continuation of the aftermath of Season 1 of Hazbin Hotel (plus all the episodes of Helluva Boss up to "Ghostfuckers").
The series revolves around the many changes that the Hazbin Hotel, Hell and Heaven all face following the events of the repelled extermination at the end of Hazbin Hotel's Season 1, and Heaven's agreement to favor Charlie's project of the hotel after the staff's learning of Sir Pentious' ascension. Kicking off these changes is Emily's designation as Heaven's new ambassador of Hell and subsequent moving into the Hazbin Hotel as a supporting assistant. Emily's presence in Hell leads to a lot of game-changing events to the status quo in the hotel's benefit, in no part due to being in a decent position to help the hotel's members, and Vaggie and Charlie eventually start crushing on her. In the midst of it all, though, an escalating number of both familiar and unfamiliar threats enter the scene, ranging from those who simply want to attack the hotel to others capable of destroying both Hell and Heaven's stability, with the hotel as a whole finding themselves tasked in deterring all of them.
Thus far, the fics in the series and their chapters include the following:
- Charlie's Angels
(April 6, 2024 - April 9, 2024)
- "Prologue: Judges"
- "Exodus"
- "Kings"
- "Proverbs"
- "Acts"
- "Lamentations"
- "Revelations"
- "Songs"
- Charlie's Angels: Aftershocks
(May 17, 2024 - June 8, 2024)
- "Day Zero"
- "Day One"
- "Day Three"
- "Day Five: Part One"
- "Day Five: Part Two"
- "Day Seven: Part One"
- "Day Seven: Part Two"
- "Day Seven: Part Three"
- "Day Eight: Part One"
- "Day Eight: Part Two"
- "Day Ten"
- Charlie's Angels: Pieces
(January 2, 2025 - May 27, 2025)
- "Prologue: In the Beginning..."
- "Then You Will Know the Truth"
- "For Everything There Is a Season"
- "Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust"
- "Ends of the Earth"
- "In the Days of Famine..."
- "...They Shall Be Satisfied"
- "Put Your House in Order"
- "Let No One Separate"
- "Valley of the Shadow of Death"
- "Fear No Evil"
- "Wars and Rumors of Wars"
- "The Powers That Be"
- "The Eleventh Hour"
Has no relation to the Charlie's Angels TV and movie franchise.
Charlie's Angels provides examples of:
[folder - Series-Wide]
- Idiosyncratic Episode Naming:
- All of the chapters in the first fic have titles consisting of a single plural noun.
- Each chapter of Aftershocks is titled in accordance to the day it takes place within the fic's timeframe.
- Original Character: Leonard, an original Sinner with the appearance of a shark who first appears at the end of the first fic's "Songs" to request a room at the hotel, and remains a supporting character in the series since then.
- Polyamory: The fic gets its title from the series-wide romantic arc of the already Official Couple Charlie and Vaggie developing crushes on Emily and eventually forming a throuple with her, complete with the three earning several Shippers on Deck. After their relationship's been solidified by the time of the first fic's last two chapters, the two sequel fics following it in the wider Charlie's Angels series puts their throuple status aside in favor of setting up a broader plot with more storylines, though starting from the penultimate chapter of Charlie's Angels: Aftershocks, the three start calling each other "wives" in light of the changes that both Hell and Heaven experienced (including Emily becoming the new High Seraphim).
- Promoted to Love Interest:
- In Hazbin Hotel itself, Emily's friendliness with Charlie and Vaggie is purely platonic, with none of the three crushing on each other beyond Charlie and Vaggie's Official Couple status. Here, they form a polyamorous relationship together in the latter half of the first fic, and remain a throuple acknowledged by all the other characters for the rest of the series.
- The first fic's chapter "Proverbs" establishes that Emily and Molly are ex-girlfriends, with their past relationship being what made Emily lose her virginity. At the time of the fic's writing, Molly was already written and officially showcased, but had yet to make her debut in Hazbin Hotel with only an implied cameo in the episode "Welcome to Heaven", with no indication that she and Emily even know each other at all.
- Related in the Adaptation: Sera and Emily are Ambiguously Related in Hazbin Hotel. Here, they're explicitly stated to be sisters, Sera being the older sister and Emily the younger one.
- Title Drop: As far back as early in the first fic, the narration repeatedly refers to Charlie, Vaggie and Emily together as "Charlie and her angels" or variations thereof.
[folder - Charlie's Angels]
- Destructo-Nookie: Exaggerated and Played for Laughs. "Revelations" ends with Charlie, Vaggie and Emily having a threesome during nighttime that's at least an hour long, and while the specifics of what they did aren't seen nor stated, the moment they start having sex immediately cuts to a scene at the Hazbin Hotel's bar, showing the combined power of their many orgasms (which amount to well over 70 for Charlie alone) causing earthquakes and property damage across the entire hotel, with Angel Dust and Husk deciding to record a video of the whole thing and count the number of orgasms Charlie has during the threesome. The beginning of the next and last chapter, "Songs", which takes place during the next day, sees Angel Dust and Husk explaining to Charlie, Vaggie and Emily the destructive extent of their threesome (with the earthquakes spreading well beyond the hotel itself and to other parts of Pentagram City), leading to the three girls getting embarrassed. It gets to the point that Angel Dust and Husk jokingly give Charlie's orgasming the nickname of "Charliegasms" for its sheer destructive nature.
- Forgotten State of Undress: "Songs" opens with Lucifer knocking on the Hazbin Hotel's door to announce its residing group about Sera's recent fall from Heaven, and Emily coming to answer him. Having just woken up from a Three-Way Sex with Charlie and Vaggie that happened at the end of the previous chapter, and then had a frantic panic upon seeing her sister Sera being cast out of Heaven just moments ago, Emily doesn't take the time to dress herself up and just flies out of the window to Charlie and Vaggie's bedroom in order to answer Lucifer. Although Lucifer notices Emily's nudity soon enough, he doesn't bring it up to her until he's finished explaining to her about what's currently happening to Sera, leading to Emily getting embarrassed after she clarifies to him that she just had sex with Charlie and Vaggie and realizes that someone else outdoors could have seen her naked had everyone in the Pride Ring not been drawing their attention to Sera's fall at the time. Lucifer simply congratulates her for forming a polycule with Charlie and Vaggie, and tells her that they should just enter the hotel so she can get over her embarrassment from being briefly naked in the open outdoors.
- Hate at First Sight: Alastor and Emily start to dislike each other as soon as they first meet in "Kings". Emily hates Alastor out of a combination of the way he introduced himself to her just to scare her, his sadistic personality, and the fact he's the soul contractor Husk (whom Emily had previously met at the end of the previous chapter, with full knowledge about the issue with his soul contract) is soul-bound to. While Alastor doesn't fully hate Emily back, he clearly despises that not only does Emily have the power and position to manipulate his bound souls for as long as she wishes and is able to, but is also capable of seeing his own contract, the source of his power and his biggest insecurity that would ruin his reputation in Hell if it ever becomes publicly known. After Emily accepts Alastor's proposed challenge of trying to find a way to break Husk's contract, the two have a strong Teeth-Clenched Teamwork relationship throughout the rest of the series, due to their shared affiliation to the Hazbin Hotel in spite of their very different visions.
- No Sympathy: In "Songs", Alastor expresses amusement at Emily's grief for Sera's fall and taunts her about it, prompting Lucifer to push him away from Emily and call him a "sadistic piece of shit".
- Open-Minded Parent: At the beginning of "Songs", when Emily tells him that she had sex with Charlie and Vaggie last night, Lucifer correctly guesses that it's because she's become a throuple with them, and is openly accepting of Charlie engaging in Polyamory.
- Sequel Hook: "Songs" ends with the hotel starting to get more guests as three characters come to the hotel's door: namely, the canon Seviathan von Eldritch and Crymini, and the Original Character Leonard.
[folder - Charlie's Angels: Aftershocks]
- Immediate Sequel: The fic starts right from the Sequel Hook of the first fic's "Songs".
- Oh, Crap!: In "Day One", Leonard has this reaction when he sees Alastor for the first time at the hotel, making him realize that the hotel's bartender really is Husk as he first suspected, and, with no knowledge of the past events that led to Husk being freed from his former contract with Alastor, assumes that the hotel was a trap scheme set up by Alastor to catch Sinners soul-bound to Husk, trying to escape from the hotel until Husk comes after Leonard and clarifies to him what's been going on.
- Spit Take: In "Day One", Lucifer spits out coffee from a cup Vaggie has just offered him, followed by a Big "WHAT?!" from him, when Vaggie tells him that Pentious managed to create a death ray from Heaven to destroy the Heaven Embassy in Hell.
- You Have GOT to Be Kidding Me!: In the afternoon part of "Day One", when Emily kicks off a trust exercise of rhyming games, Leonard is flabbergasted at the mere idea that the Princess of Hell would have the High Seraphim of Heaven introduce herself to the hotel's new guests with rhyming games.
Is there anything I have to do with what I've written first before putting the page on the TLP, or is it already fine to go?
Edited by Inky100openSpoiler-tagging a certain type of meme
If there's a meme which involves a character's death or anything that counts as a spoiler in the story, should the text before the "Explanation" tag be hidden in spoiler markup or not? In other words, which among the two options below is the more appropriate format?
- "He's not dead!" Explanation (Spoilers!)The explanation behind the meme.
- "He's not dead!" Explanation (Spoilers!)The explanation behind the meme.
I always thought it's the first option, that simply using the tag "Explanation (Spoilers!)" instead of the usual "Explanation" would already suffice even if the meme's text itself isn't hidden with a spoiler markup, especially as I also see other tropers doing it... but after looking at a certain meme that uses the second option, I'm starting to think there's some inconsistency on this wiki. For examples:
- On Memes.K Pop Demon Hunters, Memes.Arcane, Memes.Honkai Star Rail, and Memes.Elden Ring, there are spoilerific memes whose texts are not hidden with a spoiler markup, only tagged with "Explanation (Spoilers!)", "Explanation (SPOILER)", "Explanation (MAJOR SPOILERS)", or "Explanation (DLC Spoilers)".
- On YMMV.Cyberpunk Edgerunners, there's a spoilerific meme whose text is hidden with a spoiler markup, but is also tagged with "Explanation (SPOILERS)".
- Memes.Honkai Impact3rd has spoilerific memes written in either or both the two formats I mentioned above, as there's a certain meme in that page whose text is just partially hidden by the spoiler markup.
openCreating a new page
I wanted to create a new trope page called "Clothed Parents, Bare Kids"
An example of Appropriate Animal Attire is when, in a scene with Funny Animals or other non-human animals, the only characters that show up as Accessory-Wearing Cartoon Animals or Half-Dressed Cartoon Animals are children, while their parents, whether or not they are barefoot, always wear a complete outfit that includes all the necessities.
Literature Little Critter doesn’t wear clothes in the early books and sometimes he’s pantless while his parents are fully dressed. Because Mercer Mayer doesn't want children to follow Little Critter's poor example of not wearing pants around town, he isn't seen half-dressed or naked in the most current Little Critter books from the 2000s and beyond. His little sister sometimes does the same thing, mostly in “The New Potty”. The World of Peter Rabbit and Friends: His mother wears full clothing, including an apron, while Peter Rabbit and his siblings typically only wear a coat.
Puppet Shows Billy and Ruby Biggle don’t wear clothes while their parents are fully dressed. Sesame Street: Elmo doesn’t wear clothes while his parents, Louie and Mae are fully dressed. Grover doesn’t wear clothes while his mother does.
Western Animation Boj: All of the characters, even Mimi and Pops are fully dressed. Boj is the only one who doesn’t wear clothes. Little Bear himself is naked while Father and Mother Bear are fully dressed. Regular Show: Mordecai doesn’t wear clothes while William and Hilary are fully dressed Rigby and Don don’t wear clothes while their parents Sherm and Barbara do. Tuff Puppy: Dudley is pantless while his mother is fully dressed.
Edited by quackduhopenMini or Humungus Mecha?
- MiniMecha.Video Games: Cerberus ATLAS mechs in Mass Effect 3. Shepard can drive them either by finding an unmanned one or shooting out the cockpit and gundam-jacking it.
- HumongousMecha.Video Games: In Mass Effect 3, Cerberus soldiers sometimes use large Atlas mechs, which are outfitted with rocket launchers, a scaled-up shotgun, and can one-hit-kill anyone in melee range. If your aim is sharp enough, you can kill the pilot without destroying the mech, then commandeer the mech for yourself.
The Atlas is 2-3 times human height, which I assume is Mini-Mecha so I'll remove Humungous unless anyone objects.
Bringing here as it was asked
before
what the cutoff height is between Mini and Humungous, which got no feedback. These examples have a new issue, they say nothing about the size of the mech so are potential misuse as just Mecha as written.
Where else might the appropriate place be to ask/discuss this matter?
openTroper keeps making unilateral and speculative edits without any consensus whatsoever
Maniacal Dove 902 has a tendency to make a lot of unilateral edits that are huge changes to the page's format and are very speculative. They seem particularly obsessed with multiverse-related content too. They've gotten a couple of notifiers in the past but they still haven't changed their ways. I don't think I need to give any examples here myself because if you just look at any of their edits in their edit history, you would see it.
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyyopenPlaying With/Against Type Film
Could someone please help me decide if the Playing Against Type and Playing with Character Type sections on Creator.Pedro Pascal look worth keeping, or if they violate the Creator Page Guideline against "Tropes applying to an individual work that already has its own page" (except for The Uninvited).
(I didn't start the sections myself, but I did expand them beyond one entry each.)
open Shadow Archetype and Foil gives me a headache
Even though they have laconic descriptions, I struggle to understand which analysis goes into Shadow Archetype or Foil.
I'm still working on the Ensemble Stars Eden sheet so that it won't be as barren as it used to be years ago (it was probably the least detailed ENSTARS page over the past few years) but as I continue playing the game, my head goes into analysis mode...
Can a character have multiple Foils or Shadow Archetypes? Here's something I've wrote in my Sandbox awhile back:

Honestly, I feel like I'm a servant of a selfish princess...
The hard work he's put in since his school days has been earning him opportunities, and he is also active as part of Eve together with Hiyori Tomoe. He is diligent and passionate in nature, but turns foul-mouthed whenever he has to deal with Hiyori. Though he may seem rough and intimidating at a first glance, he makes up for it with the courteous manners he has honed. His delicate singing voice also has a quality of depth to it, and his performances are dynamic.
Jun is a member of Eden at COSMIC PRODUCTION. Dissatisfied with his current state, he constantly strives to improve his personal best. On top of his fitness regime, he has begun training to refine his abilities of expression.
- Shadow Archetype:
- To Makoto. They're both hardworking, socially-awkward and good with technology. They're also overly conscious about being the least talented of their units, but they train hard to become better idols despite their individual pasts binding them. However, while Makoto strives to free himself of his past, Jun struggles to do the same.
- He could also be considered one to Hokuto as both of them are sons of idols. Hokuto's father is an active Super Idol who wasn't present in Hokuto's childhood years (to the point where he's closer with his grandmother) despite being affectionate towards him, while Jun's father was trampled by a Super Idol (being Jin Sagami) and this grudge surrounding his loss caused him to train Jun as a weapon take down Jin. While Hokuto dislikes Seiya for not being there in his childhood and their relationship is quite strained, Jun's relationship with his father is much more adversarial.

Earlier today, I noticed the existence of Manga.My Brain Is Different Stories Of ADHD And Other Developmental Disorders, and, having read a bit of the work (I still have a copy of it), I'm not sure if this work is tropable or not in light of Administrivia.Real Life Troping.
The issue is, this work appears to me as a collection of several people's autobiographical experiences with developmental disorders (including the author herself), and is usually classified as nonfiction in bookstores (for example, Barnes & Noble
). However, since the subjects are just otherwise mundane Japanese, I have no way of knowing how much of these stories were real, and how much was dramatized.
Is this work still tropable, may I ask? The standard in Administrivia.Real Life Troping is not very clear to me.
EDIT: Added Barnes & Noble link to showcase the "classified as nonfiction in bookstores" part. Edited by SamCurt