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open Could we consider reviving "Adaptational Weight Loss"?
A few months ago, I made a post
about creating an Inverted Trope to Adaptational Curves. Most of the comments were mixed - some thought the idea might be good, while others considered it pointless.
But then I remembered that someone already made a trope related to it - Adaptational Weight Loss
(which I brought up in my post) by KJ Mackley. Unfortunately, the project was abandoned the same day it was conceptualized, with the troper themself being inactive since 2021.
It's a shame since this trope had so much potential to fit with the other inverted "Adaptation(al) X" examples that Adaptational Curves lacked. So I thought to myself that "maybe I should adopt this trope and revise it a bit". After all, there have been some tropes stuck at the TLP that have been adopted by other users, so it would make sense to for me adopt this trope that has been discarded for almost 5 years at this point. Please note that I'm not disrespecting the original troper; I'm only doing this because how much potential this trope has.
openDeath's Head: seeking consensus to revert changes after fact check Print Comic
Two Marvel Comics pages, ComicBook.Deaths Head and Trivia.Deaths Head, have some 'detective work' statements/examples added by DaPolicia regarding the character's creation and copyright status. The same claims were added to The Other Wiki's page for the character.
These are largely updates to examples and text I previously edited or added, so I don't want to revert them myself (and start an edit war) without a consensus.
This is the core claim they've added:
- Pop-Culture Urban Legends: Multiple sources, including Simon Furman himself, allege that Marvel maintained Death's Head's rights by rushing out a one-page comic (commonly referred to as "High Noon Tex" after a line spoken by Death's Head in the strip) that was featured in various other Marvel UK comics before his Transformers debut, circumventing the company's agreement with Hasbro. However, artist Bryan Hitch's signature in the final panel reads "Hitch '88", indicating that it wasn't drawn until the year after Death's Head debuted in Transformers, and there's no actual indication that the strip was published until May of 1988, meaning that Marvel likely engaged in some other chicanery to keep Hasbro away from Death's Head.
The collected edition introduction directly states that "High Noon Tex" was created to secure copyright. There's a photo of the relevant statements here
◊ for anyone who want to read it.
IANAL, but as I understand it UK copyright law is based on evidence of creation, not just widespread publication. Ashcan Copy logic allows the creation of a quick, sketchy version of the work or character to confirm ownership. The intro says it was "subsequently" published and I don't think a 1988 signature on the final/published work is a "Gotcha!" to show the creators are lying.
With that in mind I'd like to:
- Cut Pop-Culture Urban Legends entirely
- Cut the "if Marvel hadn't done whatever they did" element from What Could Have Been, which also casts doubt on Marvel's claims.
- Cut the whole "A commonly-circulated story, corroborated by both Furman and artist Bryan Hitch and perpetuated by sources like This Very Wiki" section that was added to the ComicBook.Deaths Head intro, which casts doubt on the intro's original brief factual statement about the character's creation.
Even if there's more to the story than the official sources suggest, and Marvel isn't telling the complete and accurate history, I don't think it's our place to speculate in this way.
(If we get an official on-the-record statement from the company or creators that contradicts the original printed statements, that would be different)
Does that sound fair?
Edited by Mrph1openhow much natter is allowed on headscratchers? Videogame
Parts of The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom is reading like a micro-forum as people add replies.
See the entire folder below I pulled from the page (reminder: contains unmarked spoilers):
- Perhaps she doesn't want to be coronated until Hyrule is at least restored to a basically functional kingdom again? Alternatively, she may be awaiting some ceremonial age of majority (as she is still biologically a teenager) or there may even be some kind of ancient dynastic tradition requiring her to complete some ritual, quest, or even just getting married before assuming formal queenship.
- As the original question noted, she's probably not biologically a teenager as years are implied to have passed since the first game, however, it is noted at the start of the game that Hyrule Castle has fallen even further into a state of disrepair. Further, Zelda and Link have been living in a simple home together since the Calamity. Perhaps until the castle is restored Zelda can't officially become queen, or she simply sees other matters as more important for now. The nation was able to hold itself together with just its regional leaders for a hundred years, so presumably there is no hurry to crown a new king or queen.
- Neither Link nor Zelda have gotten noticeably older or taller in the interim, compared to the adult Hylians we meet they're still significantly shorter. However much time has passed between games, it seems very unlikely to have to have been the real life six years.
- Indeed, probably not six years. But Zelda was seventeen before she went into stasis with Ganon. Given Hylians grow and age like humans, she wouldn't likely get any taller (most girls have reached their max height by sixteen). Link might as men can grow for a few more years, but chances are they are both just shorter than average Hylians.
- It seems rather unlikely that both Link and Zelda would have remained exactly the same physically if significant amounts of time had passed. Further, Riju is at an age where she ought to be growing significantly were much time to have passed, and yet, hairstyle aside, she doesn't appear to have changed much. I can see little reason to assume that anything more than a handful of months have passed between the games.
- Hudson and Rhondson (who are introduced to each other by Link during Breath of the Wild) have a daughter that's old enough to read and write (and has the usual "young child" model for the Gerudo), it's undeniably that at least around 5 years have passed, any character that didn't change was just due to the designers not wanting to redesign them. As for the original Headscratchers, Zelda probably doesn't want to get crowned before she's helped the kingdom recover in a more hands on way, or something like that.
- For another bit of proof that Link is older and simply short, he's now able to order the Noble Pursuit drink from the Gerudo that he was regarded as too young for in Breath of the Wild.
- The Noble Pursuit Link can order is specifically stated to be a new recipe that all ages can enjoy; the creator even comments that normally Link would still be too young to drink the old version.
- Which just raises questions about what is it about that drink that requires such a high age. Especially when to my knowledge it is never even said to be alcoholic. Regarding Riju, she did get taller. She was about half a head shorter than Link in the previous game, but now from what I can tell is slightly taller than him.
- It probably is alcoholic, but they wouldn't be able to say as such explicitly without raising the age rating and so just had to imply it.
- As the original question noted, she's probably not biologically a teenager as years are implied to have passed since the first game, however, it is noted at the start of the game that Hyrule Castle has fallen even further into a state of disrepair. Further, Zelda and Link have been living in a simple home together since the Calamity. Perhaps until the castle is restored Zelda can't officially become queen, or she simply sees other matters as more important for now. The nation was able to hold itself together with just its regional leaders for a hundred years, so presumably there is no hurry to crown a new king or queen.
- It could be simply that a royal title doesn't have much priority for Zelda. Given how humble she is, she's probably more concerned with her reasearch, her personal life and helping out everyone, wherever she can. Given how harsh her life was as a princess prior to the calamity, she may even prefer the lifestyle as a commoner, rather than going back to being royalty.
- The above explanation is supported by the fact that Zelda has been living in Link's house in Hateno Village, while in Hyrule Castle there are no signs of her having moved back there.
- It's questionable whether the kingdom of Hyrule even exists anymore. The kingdom was destroyed over a 100 years ago, and ever since then various regions and towns of Hyrule have been self-governing units that work just fine without a higher king/queen above their regional leader. The majority of Hyrulians don't even have any memory of a unified rule, since only among the Zora is there a large number of people who were alive before the Calamity. Considering all this, maybe Zelda doesn't even want to try and restore the kingdom? What right does he have to force her rule on people who have been living without such rule for generations? The reason why everyone still calls her Princess Zelda might be out of tradition, or out of respect for her part in ending the Calamity, not because they still consider her to be their future ruler.
While I understand the game is still new and everyone including me wants to talk about it, but it feels like questions are getting derailed just because parts of the game were missed (which is reasonable given how big the game is) or just segueing into a different discussion entirely.
The original question is just over Zelda's title as princess but it's derailed into a discussion about the time gap between Tears of the Kingdom and Breath of the Wild and other parts of the game with not too much relevance beyond "Zelda should be old enough to be queen".
Is this just normal Headscratchers discussion?
Should I delete the parts that are derailing from the original question? Or should I just move the discussion into a separate folder entirely since I think discussing the game's Time Skip does have some merit.
EDIT: last-minute edit of spoilers, I haven't used this site for a while (specifically ATT) and thought my post would be cut off a little when I posted.
Edited by INeveropenRegarding the page for Every Frame A Pause
I brought this up on both the Critical Drinker
and Real Life People
cleanup threads, though I couldn't find a topic page about whether or not something is tropable.
The page for Podcast.Every Frame A Pause has a lot of issues and I'm not sure if the podcast itself is tropable. Ignoring the misused tropes I brought up on the latter cleanup thread, the podcast doesn't seem to have a narrative, the hosts aren't playing fictionalized or exaggerated versions of themselves, and the page itself is mostly troping the hosts' opinions and reactions to things.
I don't have any opinion on Every Frame A Pause beyond that its the infamous "the guys who held a 12 hour reaction stream because Jenny Nicholson hated Joker", so any input would be appreciated.
Edited by SkylaNoivernopen New NRLEP Crowner!
The crowner for the week of June 4 - 10 is:
- Appeal to Worse Problems - Too Controversial, attracting ROCEJ violations
- Baby Be Mine - Too Controversial (as it's a True Crime trope, namely kidnapping and often murder), Gossip, related to the NRLEP tropes Law of Inverse Fertility and Stalker with a Test Tube
- The Baby Trap - Too Controversial, a Sex trope, has attracted oddly misogynistic edits in the past, Gossip
- Big Anime Eyes - Impossible in Real Life
- Bug War - Impossible because the trope is about fighting with supernatural insect-like aliens or monsters, not real bugs
- But I Can't Be Pregnant!! - Gossip, a Sex trope, attracting misuse, ROCEJ-violating medical advice, and weirdly pedophilic anecdotes
- But We Used a Condom!! - A Sex trope, Gossip, has a history of poor examples
- Hand on Womb - Too Common
- I Do Not Like Green Eggs and Ham - Narrative/Characterization, Too Common
- I Just Shot Marvin in the Face - Too Controversial, attracting NSFW and Gossipy examples, related to the NRLEP trope Accidental Murder, continuing to attract new poor examples even after being KRLE'd last year
- Longest Pregnancy Ever - In the way that it happens in fiction Impossible (it's impossible to be pregnant for months, years past your due date and still end up with a healthy baby at the end), attracting misused examples
- Maternal Impression - Impossible in Real Life (based on a now-discredited medical theory) -
- Matricide - Too Controversial, a True Crime trope, related to other NRLEP family murder tropes
- Morning Sickness - Too Common, Narrative/Characterization because IRL this is not an instant tell that a woman is pregnant
- Pater Familicide - Too Controversial, a True Crime trope, related to other NRLEP family murder tropes
- Patricide - Too Controversial, a True Crime trope, related to other NRLEP family murder tropes
- Perverted Sniffing - A Sex trope
- Ridiculously Average Guy - Impossible in Real Life, Characterization, Stereotyping
- Self-Made Orphan - Too Controversial, a True Crime trope, related to other NRLEP family murder tropes
- Shockingly Expensive Bill - Too Common, frequently a Narrative trope
- Sibling Yin-Yang - Characterization
- Take Over the World - Too Controversial, Morality (since it's related to Generic Doomsday Villain)
- Teen Pregnancy - A Sex trope, Gossip, Too Common, related to the sexuality of minors
- Town Girls - Characterization
- Your Heart's Desire - Impossible in Real Life (since it requires a supernatural wish-granter)
openPotentially iffy entry on Dated History
This entry on The Holodomor was recently added to the Dated History page:
- During the Cold War, it was not uncommon for western intellectuals to assume that the infamous Holodomor famine of 1932 and 1933 was an intentional genocide against Ukraine done by Stalin's government, or that the Soviet government in some way manufactured the famine for whatever reason more generally. Various books on the topic, most famously Robert Conquest's 1986 book The Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine, from before the fall of the USSR promote this narrative, often pointing to official Soviet documents which to help support this case. Even ignoring that many found Conquest—who was a self-described "Cold Warrior" and open about his bias against the USSR and in favor of the west—the lack of anything to back up this notion after the fall of the Soviet Union and the release of various previously classified documents shows this to be little more than baseless speculation, with Conquest himself later making it clear he didn't view the famine to be anything more than the result of bad policy by the Soviets in his later years, although he also added that he believes it could have been prevented if Stalin had not put Soviet interests above that of feeding his people.
Now, it's definitely true that the famine may have been "merely" the result of bad agricultural policy rather than deliberately engineered by Stalin's regime. However, the Soviet government's response (selling food that could have been used to help victims to foreign countries and actively attempting to cover up what was happening) means that even if the famine wasn't intentional, it can't be called a tragic but innocent mistake. Moreover, the fact that it coincided with attempts to target Ukrainian cultural identity and the fact that Ukrainian-majority areas even outside Ukraine suffered disproportionately during the famine both heavily suggest that Stalin took advantage of it even if he didn't deliberately set out to cause it.
I'm going to give Ephrom The Josine the benefit of the doubt since I have no reason to automatically assume they wrote this to push some kind of agenda, but this entry nevertheless comes off as lacking in nuance and (especially in regard to current events) potentially insensitive. Still, if they're willing to talk things over, I'm willing to hear them out.
openDuplicate work page
It seems that someone has tried to disambiguate Film.Transformers from the Franchise.Transformers page by creating a new page for the film, Film.Transformers 2007. However, the former page still exists. It seems to me that Film.Transformers should be made a redirect to Film.Transformers 2007 and the former page should be cut, but when I tried to disambiguate works myself,note with Stalker (1979) and Stalker (2014) I was told that this isn't the correct procedure when I added the old pages to the cutlist. What exactly should be done in a case like this?
openCharacter Derailment misuse
Luke Skywalker from The Last Jedi was added back to CharacterDerailment.Film despite it having a commented out note at top of the page not to add them.
I first deleted it and added the note per ATT
as it was objectively misused. Derailment is about unexplained, not unpopular changes and TLJ clearly showed and explained why he did such, so the complains around that fall under other items. Also Luke nearly killed Vader in a similar Moment of Weakness in ROTJ (why that was uncontroversial is a separate thing) so the the argument behind the Derailment entry is factually incorrect.
Have to ask here before re-removing. Derailment can still apply if fans see the reason as objectively insufficient to explain the change so might that apply here?
On the subject:
- Avengers: Endgame - or more specifically, the plot point of Steve Rogers staying in the past - is infamous for this among some critics and/or fanfic writers, saying it's selfish and him abandoning his best friend Bucky. Of course, there are also a number of people who say he deserved that ending.
Besides the last part arguing against, he got a sub-plot building up to/explaining why he did so. I'll cut this unless I hear anything.
open Trope page uses picture from a work banned for pedo-bait.
Howdy.
I am a n00b and am trying to learn the culture of the site, so I am going to ask what may be a very obvious question.
The work Eiken has been removed from the site for being pedo-bait (or at least for sexualizing minors):
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13359551860A25597800
I discovered that this morning when editing a trope page which used an unlinked Eiken as an example. I tried to look up the work via search (I've never heard of it before this morning), and found that thread.
Because time is a flat circle, I ran across another page about half an hour later that uses an image from Eiken as the page image:
So! My question is: Is this a problem?
According to the discussion thread on Eiken, the girls in that picture are, like, 10 years old.
On the other hand, the picture itself is not itself a problem, and if I hadn't read that discussion thread, I'd have no idea they were 10 years old.
So I can see an argument for removing it, and I can also see an argument for not removing it. Just curious as to what the prevailing wisdom is here.
Edited by MacronNotesopen Old Commercial
There was this commercial where this clerk is pulling the lever on a (slurpee?) or drink machine and then goes into a daydream where the lever is the joystick on a fighter jet and he is imagining himself flying a jet while he is really pouring a drink. His boss notices that the drink is overflowing and says, "Rodneeey!!" and he wakes up from his daydream and goes "Whoah..." Its pretty funny but I can't remember if it was a Michigan Lottery commercial or a 7-11 sweepstakes. The idea was that if you won (whatever it was), you could buy a fighter jet, lol.
Edited by MacronNotesopenTroper adding their own fanon to a work page Literature
Ian78668
is very much into the Alternate History story Player Two Start, having most of their edit history devoted to its work page. However, they seem to be adding their own concepts and ideas (usually about Don Bluth or Pokémon in some form) into the work page that aren't in the text itself. Even the author had to step in and take some of this out
, only for them to add yet more of their own fanon. I sent them a few notifiers a while ago, and they seemed to comply at first... but just recently came back again and added yet more of their own fanon into it. Since I didn't want it to be an edit war, I sent them another notifier and bringing up the problem here.
open AdmiralDT8 vandalising a page. Literature
A user going by the name AdmiralDT8 has vandalised Loyalty Among Worlds and deleted the YMMV and the Trivia articles for that fanfiction. It is unknown if this is really AdmiralDT8 himself doing this or the work of a troll. If it turns out to be the former, then this is a funny case of Dear Negative Reader
Profile here:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/AdmiralDT8
openPage full of improper image formatting
Pokemon Mystery Tourney is filled with hotlinked images, which don't show up properly if they're not put into the image uploader first. What do I do with them? Do I replace them all with proper images myself or do I have to start an Image Pickin thread first?
openGirlfriends/Girl Friends
Howdy. New here, still learning my way around the site, apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, feel free to let me know if there's a better place for this kind of thing.
If you visit:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/GirlFriends
you will learn about a yuri manga from Morinaga Milk.
If you click on the "Characters" tab, you will learn about the characters of a completely unrelated live-action TV show named "Girlfriends". The "Series" tab is also about this same TV show.
If you click on the "Film" tab, you will learn about an independent film completely unrelated to either the manga or the TV show.
Is this working as intended? Or is it something that can/should be fixed?
If it's something that can/should be fixed, is it a fix which readers like myself can fix? Or is intervention from a Higher Power required?
open Etiquette on deleting contentious/false moments examples Web Original
Got something that has been bothering me for a few weeks and rather than go the edit route I thought I would get a proper consensus first before taking any action.
Over on the H.Bomberguy heartwarming page there is an example for his RWBY criticism video with two subpoints and one third point. Most of the second and the third dot points are potshots at the show or it's company disguised as compliments to HB and could easily be cut out without much controversy. It's the main entry that I have an issue with.
To summarize, in his video on RWBY HB portrays himself as having been a life-long fan of Monty Oum (RWBY's creator who was long deceased at the time of the video), and the heartwarming entry on his page is talking about how much respect HB has for Monty as a creator and a person. The problem is that this is a lie; whilst Monty was alive HB made a lot of outright venomous statements on Monty and his skills that contradict his claims about how he was always in awe of Monty's work and considered him a personal hero. This makes HB contentious in the RWBY fandom since a lot of people see him as pretending to respect Monty (or at the most generous obscure his previous hatedom which he's since backed down on) to make his criticism seem unbiased rather than someone who went into the show as someone who thought its creator lacked talent and thought it looked average at best. It touches on a sore spot in that community of haters of the show using Monty's name as a way to bash the show/it's remaining creators.
So to circle back to the entry, it's repeating the claim that HB respected Monty and his work. That is a lie as HB's own forum comments can attest to. Would that be enough to get the entry taken down, or does this still fall under a subjective opinion and so the entry stays? If so, would deleting the sub-entries which lean towards taking potshots at the show and it's fans be acceptable?
openVandal/Troll?
Pengellylog is a new troper who only has one edit, which was adding nonsense to What the Hell, Hero? (which I removed). At the launch pad, they've also begun to make some trouble by randomly editing and renaming someone's draft
and creating a bashy stub
, the latter of which wouldn't be noteworthy if not for the other odd things.
They basically seem to be calling us idiots, like by changing Too Dumb to Live on the trope draft with Self-Demonstrating Article.
openAuto-erotic troping and possible ban evasion
For a while, Gory Toons and its subpages frequently showed up in the recent edits list thanks to them being constantly edited by Happy Tree Sponge and Spongebob Fan 808. Now, this isn't a problem in and of itself, but when I looked at Spongebob Fan 808's troper page out of curiosity, I found a claim that they were the creator of Gory Toons; the statement has since been deleted, though it's still visible
in the page's history.
The reason why I bring this up is because they made several edits to the YMMV page over the past couple of months (1
open Trim the fat. Western Animation
I want to add two characters to The Simpsons Nelson I’ve done but it comes across as bloated
Nelson is presented as someone who grew beyond his initial characterization of a Barbaric Bully by being provided some Hidden Depths. In many ways he comes across as a Distaff Counterpart to Lisa. However it is when analyze his relationship with Bart that his trope comes into play. Nelson is shown to be given numerous advantages with people going out of their way to help him. you are supposed to feel sorry for him when he suffers the consequences of his actions but he never really shows remorse or even acknowledges that he did anything wrong. all in all his life is used more as Jerk Justifications then a legitimate Freudian Excuse.
- As stated above he he took advantage of Marge letting him into her home by to bully Bart, and even after Bart found his father and reunited his family he refused to stop doing it. When they became friends in "The Haw-Hawed Couple" it is treated as a allegory for a toxic relationship with Nelson checking all of the boxes of an abuser, but despite this Bart is treated as a Fair-Weather Friend instead of a victim . this also ignored the fact that that they only became friends because Bart was the only one who came to his party (he was forced) after he stole everyone’s money.
- Better Off Ned finally deconstructs Homer’s habit of using Operation: Jealousy on his son. It shows just how cruel this to the child Homer uses, but still plays it completely straight with Bart who Nelson tried to Murder the Hypotenuse. The episode ends with Nelson having shoved Milhouse into a freezer despite Ned mentoring him. Finally, Nelson’s response to being punished for breaking Bart’s arm in Top Goon was to go Then Let Me Be Evil and join the mafia
All I have for principle skinner is a basic and I can’t figure out how to start it. First is his relationship with bart you are supposed to feel sorry for him because bart is his worst nightmare. However Springfield elementary is repeatedly shown to be the worst school in city. In fact whenever bart and lisa are taken out of the school or even their respective classes because they are actually being taught his grades rise and her’s lowers. Then there is the fact that because he’s a Dean Bitterman he’s always actively scheming for ways to make the school worse then it already by cutting its already abysmal budget. Finally his relationship with bart just comes across as creepy. Skinner never shows the same obsession with other kids that he does with bart. Stalking him when he thinks he's cutting school, putting a student on his payroll in Bart's gang as a mole and setting up stings to get Bart in trouble so he'll commit detention-worthy crimes.
This same thing applies with his relationship with Superintendent Chalmers who repeatedly belittles and yells at him. however as stated Skinner is incompetent at his job while skinner finally standing up to him in "Bart Stops to Smell the Roosevelts" is supposed to be a Catharsis Factor its undercut by Chalmers actually teaching bart.
After several seasons of watching Principal Skinner be belittled and yelled at by Superintendent Chalmers for not being able to contain Bart Simpson's rampages, it can be extremely gratifying to see Principal Skinner finally stand up to him for a change in, telling Chalmers that he should just teach Bart himself if he thinks it's such an easy job. Chalmers' shocked reaction and the teachers outright cheering for Skinner make it even better.
What really makes him this is Edna you are supposed to feel sorry for him because she doesn’t want to get back together with him. however in "Special Edna" he’s shown to be incredibly abusive. It’s insinuated that him constantly canceling dates with her to spend time with his mother is due to the belief that she can’t do better. he only started making an effort in their relationship after she was nominated for "Teacher of the Year" before outright sabotaging her. despite this she accepts his his marriage proposal. When he gets cold feet in But in "My Big Fat Geek Wedding" she breaks up with him seeing that his proposal was just another escalation of his abusive behavior. Afterwards he keeps pestering her to get back together and the first thing he did upon finding out that her and Ned were together was to brag that he had slept with her.
Finally you can’t even feel sorry for him because of how overbearing agnis is as he was the one who chose her over edna.
All in all skinner comes across as a Insufferable Imbecile then someone who the audience is supposed to sympathise with.

On Jun 7th, 2020
, Tropers/Ferot_Dreadnaught cut the following entry from Transformers: The Last Knight due to Crazy Awesome no longer being considered a trope but instead a disambiguation page.
- Crazy Awesome: People have liked Cogman for how manic and impulsive he can be. For example, his reaction to Cade and Viviane being flirtatious is to set up a dinner date. But since there's no supplies on-hand for food or to cook it, his reaction is to fire himself out of the torpedo chamber, catch two tuna by the tails and drag them flopping and thrashing back to make sushi.
However, the trope Crazy Is Cool does exist, and perfectly fits for the entry, which is still accurate as many youtube compilations and online discussions regarding Cogman can attest, and, provided a little bit of a rewrite is given to add further context, could easily be restored.As such, I request permission to restore the entry but under the Crazy Is Cool trope.
- Crazy Is Cool: Cogman became an Ensemble Dark Horse for viewers due to how manic and impulsive he can be, making him an entertaining little psycho that many viewers wished they could see more of. Standout examples being his partaking in a high-speed car chase where he lets road rage overtake him, or firing himself out a torpedo chamber just to get fish to make sushi with for Cade and Viviane's dinner date, even proceeding to beat the fish to death when he comes back with two live ones.
Edited by RebelFalcon