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openStar Wars Expanded Universe Film
The Star Wars Expanded Universe page includes the theatrical Star Wars films, all of them dating back to Star Wars in 1977.
It would seem logical that the theatrical films should not be on the Franchise index for Expanded Universe. The film are base canon (or whatever you'd call that). The Expanded Universe is everything else that's grown out of the theatrical features—cartoons, radio dramas, books, comic books, the Holiday Special, blah blah blah. You can't expand something from itself.
EDIT: The movies are also in Star Wars Legends.
Edited by jamespolkopenNot kosher entry. Film
Found this on the Solo YMMV page by Troper Pren
:
- Fandom Berserk Button: Even with the film being an undeniable Box-Office Bomb, unlike when The Last Jedi was hit with the claim against all sanity, it's still a sore point when the alt-right conspirators trying to destroy the franchise claim this as their doing. In particular, it's often rebutted with how the only film in the revived franchise to date to lose money is also the only one with a white male lead.
This is....yeah no, this needs to go. No valid claims about "alt-right conspirators", and the troper seems to be shoehorning a political Take That! against people who seem to disagree about the film not making a lot of money. Also, white male lead isn't the issue, if anything its that the movie exists at all that some dislike.
Edit: This troper has been going around and making some very political laced claims across several other pages it seems. For example they added this on One Day at a Time (2017).
- Counterpart Comparison: One brought up by Netflix itself, as after the Roseanne revival was cancelled due to Roseanne Barr's racist Tweets, Netflix made their own Tweet about how they also currently have a reboot of a classic sitcom about a working class family that deals with a bunch of political issues, twisting the knife by pointing out how theirs is still going.
Might need to talk to them about them pushing political based opinions in areas that don't seem to be there. Trying to find a good way to word it so apologies.
Edited by keyblade333open Esoteric Happy Ending example? Film
"* Frozen ends on a supposedly happy note with Anna and Elsa finally reunited after 13 years of separation, Elsa learning to feel again and learn to control her powers, and the citizens completely adoring their new queen of Arendelle. However, even though Anna and Elsa do reconcile with each other, it still doesn't change the fact that they lost all the potential childhood they could have with each other for nothing and due to not knowing the other during that time, they are essentially complete strangers and have to restart their relationship completely from scratch, particularly when things are so much more complicated in their adulthood than they do as children which makes a close bond between them uncertain. There also the fact that even though Elsa managed to control her powers through love, depression and trauma doesn't really go away overnight and due to having spent a really long time in isolation, it would only be time before she reverts to her old habits again, especially since Anna has never been informed the reason why Elsa isolated herself in the first place meaning that even her sister wouldn't be able to help her from depression. Furthermore, a sudden change in weather and an Endless Winter for three days must surely brought some casualties for the citizens either by hypothermia or famine and given the fact that the queen's response to the whole thing is to abandon her kingdom, she certainly doesn't make a good first impression in front of the citizen and would likely have a lot of people out for her blood compared to Hans whose first action as the new king is to them blanket for cover and is supposedly trying to execute the witch for the goodness of the kingdom. It's also been established that Weselton is Arendelle's largest trading partner and by having Elsa cut all ties, it leaves the kingdom hard-pressed to find another close trading partner and given Elsa's actions during the coronation, it is very unlikely that other kingdoms would even trust their new queen to open up a new trading partner, leaving the kingdom in great turmoil. Realistically, it could actually take years, if not decades for them to fix almost all the issues listed above and it is very likely that another trouble could prove even more irrepairable damage on both the kingdom and the sister's relationship. On another issue, Hans being sent back to his family is supposed to be seen as merciful fate where everyone agree that its for his best except that by sending him back home, he is sent back to his abusive family where they would undoubtedly bully him even more, with the implication that he will never be able to escape from his terrible life, unlike Anna."
Is this an example or people reading way too into things?
Edited by lalalei2001openDescribing suicide as Film
Okay, I know awesome and comedy are supposed to subjective, but...
In YMMV.The Butterfly Effect, under Crosses the Line Twice, there's an entry that says Evan going back in time to kill himself as an fetus is unintentionally hilarious and awesome. Also, in Awesome.The Butterfly Effect, there's a whole entry that goes into detail about just why said event is so awesome.
This just seems... wrong. It's not just me, is it?
Edited by ChaoticQueenopenWMG Grease Film
Every entry on WMG.Grease relates to the movie's cast members, rather than the musical itself. Should the page go on the cut list?
openNot sure about where information has been coming from for Avengers Infinity War. Film
- Lantern Jaw of Justice: Played with. He's a space tyrant with a god complex, but he still features a well defined jawline that you'd see on the various heroes to illustrate he's a Well-Intentioned Extremist meant to be a Foil to the good guys.
- Well-Intentioned Extremist: This version of Thanos is driven to stop what he believes will eventually become an apocalyptic Overpopulation Crisis. By using the Infinity Gauntlet to wipe half of intelligent life, he'll be saving the other half from using up their natural resources faster than those resources can be replenished.
- Freudian Excuse:
- The majority of his species died after an Overpopulation Crisis led them to use up all the natural resources on his homeworld of Titan. Thanos believes it's his duty to stop such a tragedy from ever happening again... even if it means wiping out half the universe to save the other half.
- He was also ostracized during his childhood due to his genetic deformity, which played a major role in shaping his personality.
- Adaptational Heroism: In the comics, Thanos is a Death worshiper who killed half the universe as an offering to his "love". In the MCU, Thanos is a true Well-Intentioned Extremist who believes killing trillions is a necessary evil to "save the universe from itself" and protect trillions more from resource wars, overpopulation, and permanent environmental damage to their own homes.
Where has this information been coming from? I have not found any sources for this anywhere other than this site. I'm tempted to say this might be fake, as the movie hasn't come out yet for starters.
open Time Travel (perhaps) Film
Help!!! This show/movie is probably no later than 2008.
Okay so it starts somewhat like this. A guy pulls up to a small gas station, where he sees a very attractive girl. She then invites him to a party at some big house later on that night. He arrives to the house but is skeptical to go in. As he's debating whether to walk into the party or not this scary werewolf dirty type human comes from around the house yelling and mumbling gibberish. He ends up being scared of the thing so he runs inside the house. He's now in the party (i dont remember much of what goes on in here) he meets the girl from the gas station who i think slips something in his drink that makes him very drowsy. She then admits to slipping something in his drink. He trys to ask the party guest for help but they suddenly all stop dancing because they were mannequins all along except the girl and maybe like 3 guys who are trying to get him. He trys to run out the house but all the doors and windows are either shut or a guy is waiting for him. He finally escapes through the chimney rolls off the roof of the house, and he's extremely dirty and looks kind of like a werewolf. As he's coming around the front of the house he sees a young man at the front door debating whether he should go in the party or not. The werewolf looking dude realizes that the young man at the door is himself, ...So he runs towards him yelling and mumbling gibberish trying to prevent him from going into the party. The young man gets scared and runs inside..
So this seems to be a never ending cycle, not sure if this was a movie or an episode (maybe like a goosebumps) but my guess is that it might be a show since i dont think it lasted longer that one hour. Thanks guys
openJames Stewart Film
James Stewart, George Bailey himself, one of 20th Century's most famous Hollywood actors. Billed as "James Stewart" in every acting job he had from 1935 to 1991, except for a TV show that briefly ran in the early 70s.
His TV Tropes page is listed under Jimmy Stewart.
Before I go to the Trope Repair Shop I'd like to take the temperature for support of a rename.
open ??? Film
Okay... here's what I know! I viewed this movie (or possibly an episode of a show) during the 2000s (2004 to 2012). All that I recall is that there were two main characters being followed throughout the film. One being a boy/guy and the other being a human-sized robot (who would later reveal herself to be a girl/woman after removing the robot head/helmet). I believe they were both on some sort of quest, but that is all that comes to mind. And it was not a cartoon! Thanks!!! :)
Edited by Ritchey1398openIs the trope being used subjectively? Film
So I recently went on the Star Wars – Resistance Heroes and found that someone had listed Love Dodecahedron under general character tropes. The issue I found with the application was that three of the four "romantic attractions", Poe and Rey, Finn and Poe, and Rey and Kylo (that last one includes a character that's not even featured) listed were not canonical. From examples I've seen under the page for the trope itself, Love Dodecahedron seems to only apply to canon romantic interest multiple characters have in one another. Is this correct or did I miss something? Also I already contacted the editor but they have yet to respond.
Edited by PsytraineropenHeadscratchers pages for not yet released works Film
Is it right that we have Headscratchers pages for movies that have not yet been released? Someone has set one up for the Deadpool sequel and all it is is a complaint about one of the characters that will be in it. (Link: The Untitled Deadpool Sequel ) Isn't Headscratchers to answer questions about something you might not understand from a work's plot, not a demand to know why a character is in it, without knowing how the story plays out first?
On a similar note, the Headscratchers page for The Last Jedi is full of people complaining about something the film did and then not liking or accepting when they are given an answer. Can someone take a look over that, I don't trust myself enough to be impartial on that page and I don't want to end up cutting out too much or leaving in my own pet theory, if someone less involved in that fandom could take a look then I'd appreciate it.
I feel like the headscratchers pages are devolving back towards being complaint sinks like they were in the Just Bugs Me days, and that isn't good.
openJeff Goldblum: Is He Adam Westing? Film
Jeff Goldblum (wonderful sweet man and the love of my internet life) has, mostly of late, been known to play characters that are basically just him being his Goldblum-iest self (ex. The Grandmaster in Thor: Ragnarok) So my question is whether this is a case of Adam Westing or Type-Casting or some other trope that I am forgetting?
openMarilyn Monroe page includes dubious fact. Film
I see this assertion on the Marilyn Monroe page: 'She was also romantic penpals with Portuguese dictator Antonio De Oliveira Salazar.' This is not only false, it's perfectly ludicrous. There are other false and ludicrous things said about Marilyn Monroe, but I've never even encountered this one before. Just for starters, then, Salazar was aged 50, in 1939. You might as well be saying that Marilyn Monroe corresponded with a pure-blood wizard, Salazar Slitherin. I have a broader question about how much I should hesitate about simply deleting something like this or adding things myself?
openSpider-Man's a Bourgeois Bohemian? Film
I found an entry for They Changed It, Now It Sucks! on the YMMV page for Spider-Man: Homecoming where it talks about how the movie got rid of some Peter's self-sufficient traits. I don't have much of a problem with that, but around the end of the entry it calls Peter a Bourgeois Bohemian and I have no idea if it's using the trope correctly,
- While fans like the idea of a Spider-Man in a Shared Universe, many don't appreciate how Marvel have placed him more or less as a Heroic Wannabe training to be part of the Avengers, and being a sidekick to Tony Stark who designs his original outfit and gives him a bunch of upgrades. This in effect robs MCU Spider-Man of the very qualities that made him unique when he first came out (an independent teenage superhero who was his own man, who made his own stuff and was not anyone's sidekick). As fans note, the original Spider-Man in the Lee-Ditko era invented his own costume,spider signal, web-shooters and spider tracers whereas here, except for the web-fluid, most of that was handed to him on a silver platter and the central dramatic tension of the film's third part (Peter proving he can be a tough superhero without his gadgets) makes Spider-Man's triumph not so much that of an underdog scrapper pushing above his weight and resourcesnote So much so that when Green Goblin finally found Spider-Man's Secret Identity he couldn't believe that his enemy was a teenager since he, like all of Spider-Man's rogues believed they were fighting an Experienced Protagonist but a Bourgeois Bohemian proving he's more bohemian than bourgeois to his mentor, which needless to say is not very relatable to many in the audience.
I don't think this is a correct usage of Bourgeois Bohemian, as Peter is not upper-class and doesn't display the overt liberal traits that the trope requires. Is this shoehorning?
open Old Mech, Rocks! Film
Does anybody remember the name of this film? It starts out, (obviously) in the future (although, the film itself looks like it was made in the 70's). There's spacesuit looking clothes, mechs are the main choice of vehicles, etc. The main characters are running an obstacle course as part of they're military-mech training, (that looks strikingly like the metal geometric half sphere, made from smaller triangles they had at recess when i was a kid), but room by room going down. Designed to help them get into there mechs as quicky as possible. The next day, the main characters (a male and a female) are running late for training, because they making-out! Meanwhile they're base get's hit and they get separated from the rest of they're team. The Big-Bad destroy's that base and every other base and the result is: post-apocalyptic world. Fast-Foreward, the main characters are still together, but struggling to survive. The guy remembers where a mech is (from before the apocalypse), that fell into a sinkhole and convinces her to go with him. They pack-up splunking gear and the equivalent of a mechanic's tools, but for mech's and head-out. They finally get there and spulunk into the sinkhole, but they have to leave some of the tools up-top, because they can't fit. They reach the mech and nearly fix-it-up, she splunks up to the surface to get something they need to finish fixing the mech just as the same Big-Bad (in his mech) is walking by. The Big-Bad see's her and tries to step on her. She does everything she can to dodge him from stepping on her, while staying beneath his mech to prevent him from shooting her. She manages to get the tool needed to fix they're mech and splunks back down, landing on top of they're mech and finishes fixing they're mech. He starts it up and I forget how he gets it out from the sinkhole to the surface of the desert, but he does and the old mech beats the new mech. The End. Anyway's, I can't remember the name of this film and hoped someone else does. Thanks!
open Protesting against ageism in Phantom Menace YMMV post Film
So I've been trying to post about how it's wrong and ageist for people to judge Anakin in the Phantom Menace as being written as a child without caring if he had been likeable, well-written and sympathetic, without negative qualities like being whiny, bratty, immature and annoying. Those negative qualities are what makes him poorly written, and the fact that Jake Lloyd couldn't act made it worse. I try proving that it's not a Continuity Snarl if he was well-written and played by a kid who COULD act, because according to the Return of the Jedi clip I gave a link to, the Force ghost Obi-Wan never told Luke how old Anakin was when he first knew him. He just said Anakin was already an excellent pilot, but Obi-Wan was amazed at how strong the Force was with Anakin. If anything, since Obi-Wan said, "I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi," Qui-Gon's involvement WAS a Continuity Snarl. But it's not a Continuity Snarl if the kid Anakin were actually well-written and played by a kid who COULD act. Judging Anakin for being introduced as a child is like judging Rey for being a girl and Finn for being black, and Rey and Finn were NOT poorly written like Anakin was. And not all child actors were Jake Lloyd, some were actually quite good. But it might've helped if the script didn't have bullshit like "Are you an angel?" and "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!" and was nowhere near as poorly-written as it was. The plot too, and pretty much all of the characters aside from Jar Jar (who never should've even been created, and would never work given that that kind of cartoonish slapstick and that he was purely annoying). It might've helped for Anakin to have been found on a different planet instead of Tatooine (to avoid plot holes) and to savie any romance for until Anakin grows up in the next 2 prequels, as long as they weren't handled the way George Lucas handled it. And someone should've convinced George Lucas that the way he envisioned the prequels would never work and he should've given the prequels to someone who is capable of making a decent prequel trilogy that's closer to up to snuff with the original trilogy. Maybe it's hard to write a decent child character, but it's not impossible if the right person envisions a Star Wars prequel trilogy. And writing likeable characters to root for isn't easy, but Lucas never tried hard. He just did what he wanted without really considering what the fans would want and the prequels suffered as a result. But if fans can't accept a likeable, well-written child Anakin instead of a poorly-written, whiny, bratty, immature, and annoying child Anakin, they are just as bad as George Lucas. There are too many problems with the prequel trilogy to decide that a child Anakin can't be likeable, sympathetic, and well-written.
I tried posting this under Mis-blamed, but it got deleted twice. I'm trying to figure out a decent trope that might fit and a better way to protest against the ageism of those audiences and show why they are out of line judging characters for being a child when so many things could have been different, including a well-written child if they had a writer who WAS capable, instead of George Lucas. So I'd also like to do all that in a not-so Natter-y or ranting way, along with the proper trope. But if anyone support the audiences who put age over likeability and characterization, please ignore this post. I don't want any more discriminatory, ageist posts or supports of such discrimination.
openState Fair Remake Film
If 20th Century Fox seems to consider the 1962 version of Rodgers and Hammerstein's State Fair an Old Shame, but I don't know what Rodgers himself thought of it (Hammerstein died a few years before it premiered), which of the Old Shame subpages should I put it on?
openWeDidntStartTheFuhrer Film
I have recently seen a film set in a historical war (which is not World War II), where the main character is sure that the whole conflict was caused by a supernatural influence over humanity, and it turns out that no, the war was something that humanity started all by itself, with no supernatural forces at work. I thought about We Didn't Start the Führer, but that trope clarifies that it is specifically for Hitler and WWII. Is there some parent trope, then? Or should I use it anyway, taking into account that Tropes are flexible? If it is the second, shouldn't we rewrite the trope a bit, to clarify that WWII is simply a major location of this trope, but not the exclusive one?
Note: The very question I'm making may give a spoiler about the plot of the film, so the best way I could thought about to avoid that was to speak in general terms, without mentioning the film (and, just in case, not even the actual war). If someone else here does realize the film that made me ask this question, please do not mention it, for the sake of those who did not saw it.
open The Dark Crystal: Who is this character? Film
Found this character which appears to be one of the mystics from the movie among my dads belongings. He was a film fan and artist. I think he may have made it himself but am not absolutely certain. unfortunately I don't see how to post a photo to share it. It has a mole on what would be its left cheek....Any ideas?

Noticed a lot of entries about Star Wars on SeinfeldIsUnfunny.Live Action Films that seem to argue with themselves, get facts incorrect, or are nattery.
"Darth Vader was noted in 1977 for being one of the scariest villains on-screen at the time. However, after becoming a heavily-marketed Series Mascot (even to kids), having seen Luke, I Am Your Father parodied a million times (which are, more often than not, more or less equal amount of Darth Vader clones) in the Expanded Universe,note and after getting to see villains like Exar Kun, Darth Revan or Kylo Ren, Vader is no longer perceived as the sinister force he once was, and instead has a reputation as a "cool" character akin to a superhero. Rogue One addresses this by depicting Vader, a One-Scene Wonder here, at his most sinister and brutal - making him Nightmare Fuel by 2016 standards and reminding audiences of why he's such a fearsome character."
"*** With some female fans complaining about the use of The Smurfette Principle in the series, many forget that having a woman like Leia being just as heroic as the male heroes was a groundbreaking move in the first place. Like the Vader example, this was addressed in The Force Awakens by having Rey, a woman, as the surprise main character, giving her a surge in popularity and serving as a breakthrough for the aging franchise." Seems unclear in the latter part if it's referring to Rey or Leia.
"*** George Lucas changed the 'Han shot first' scene because he and MPAA thought it was too dark and violent. Nowadays with the normalization of heroes shooting first, many fans consider the change to be an overreaction especially since Greedo was pointing a blaster at Han and he was acting in self-defense. Not helping matters is how later films show moments of heroes trying to kill helpless people like Cassian shooting a handicapped informant or Luke trying to kill his sleeping nephew." Han shot first was only changed in the '98 special editions, 21 years after ANH was first released.