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openRequesting a revert
A while ago, jto5334t
added several Zero-Context Examples to Elite Beat Agents. I hid them, and in the edit reason I left a link to the Administrivia page. Today, they started an Edit War by restoring all of the hidden entries without any adjustments, on top of adding a few others. I'm requesting a revert on that page, as I cannot edit it without engaging in an Edit War myself.
open(Accidental?) Incentive to Suicide in the "Serious Business" page
So, i was looking through the Real Life section of the Serious Business page and stumbled upon this paragraph.
"Life itself. It's so much serious business because there are people who strive to give it meaning, even during hard times. It's even more serious when people will shame those who hate how their lives are and are seeking to end it for their misfortunes, whether serious or not."
Now, i THINK this is accidental, but the wording made it sound like people who want to end their lives because they hate it and/or are going through hard times are making the correct choice. Again, this might be a mistake since it specified those who are doing Suicide Shaming, and it could just be a critique to those who do that, but i still think it should be changed since one could interpret it as an outright incentive to suicide as a solution (Like i did).
Edited by LalapolpolpolopenMisuse of Author Existence Failure on several pages?
A number of pages relating to Power Rangers has Author Existence Failure for actors that have passed away, but my issue is that while the show as a whole is ongoing the seasons they were a part of are long over and with seasons more or less self contained now, there's very little chance of their character coming back anyways so listing this trope seems pointless.
Another issue is the addition of The Character Died with Him too, with Power Rangers Never Say "Die" in place it's very unlikely any character (especially those from older seasons) would ever be revealed to have passed on so again it seems like an unnecessary trope to have.
So should these tropes be deleted, edited in some way, or just left alone?
Edited by AkibaPurpleopenCan Creator pages be redlinks, for the future, or must they be blue?
Thanks for the thoughts of agreement, ya'll. Mods, can I get a revert on those work pages?
Or should I just do it myself?
I'll do it myself...
Can Creator pages be redlinks, for the future, or must they be blue?
Administrivia.Creator Page Guidelines says, in a Note:
Any reason not to apply this policy to Creators with more than one work, themselves?
WebAnimation.Overly Sarcastic Productions, and Webcomic.Aurora 2019, share a creator, Creator.Red.
However, I dunno much about them, other than they do art on the internet, which seems very stubby to say.
I just made the redlinks, because mentioning a Creator's unrelated, other works on a page about one of their works, is mentioning irrelevance.
But, having more than one work, means that they should have a Creator page which indexes their works.
Edited by MaladyopenAbout Fan Works Web Original
What's the stance on indexing Fan Works examples by work on the main page (instead of a sub-page)? For example, this example from a TLP:
Fan Works Batman
- Angel of the Bat: As in canon, Dick Grayson/Nightwing is of Roma descent. He considers himself a Christian, but mentions traveling with the circus never permitted him much time to study his faith. His first scene also shows him to be a trickster, playing off the stereotypes of Roma being superstitious to grill an enemy which ironically is a Double Subversion, considering Roma are also stereotypically connected to deceit.
openReferences in laconics
I know there's a cleanup thread about laconics, but I'm still waiting for a question I asked there ages ago to be answered and I'm worried that if I ask another question before then, it'd be "spamming".
I'm not talking about the "unabridged version" gags. Those are hilarious IMO and can stay. What I'm talking about is when works that aren't spinoffs have laconics that are basically just "Work X, but with Y".
This, I think, is a bit unclear because what if no one's ever seen the work being referenced?
A particularly blatant example is Laconic.Airplane is "Zero Hour played for laughs." I'd never heard of Zero Hour so I went to look at Laconic.Zero Hour (because I didn't want to spend ages reading about a work I wasn't interested in) and it was "Airplane! without the jokes.", which, to make a joke myself, doesn't fly in my opinion.
Edited by UnicorndanceopenIs this too much?
YMMV.Fate Apocrypha contains the following entry:
- Rooting for the Empire: The show eventually had the Red Faction becoming the main antagonist faction. But there are some that believed that they deserve to win:
- First, the members. Shirou Amakusa is a Well-Intentioned Extremist whose end goal could be said to be admirable, Karna being an overpowered yet honorable Servant, Achilles being a sociable bro and also overpowered Servant, Atalanta for her very pure wish (and the tragedy that comes with it) and tough attitude and adorable cat ears and tails, Shakespeare for his ham in just about everything leading to hilarity even when he's the antagonist, and Semiramis for being a classy, sexy dominating queen with oddly adorable elven ears. Even their deserter, Mordred, gets a LOT of love due to her overall badass daredevil attitude and accomplishment that fans may also want her and Shishigou to snatch the Grail. While Spartacus might not get very high levels of love due to being eliminated early and unfortunately being considered 'wasted potential', his craziness and meme factor in his short run was also welcomed. While the original masters except Shishigou were reduced to props without personality, it's not quite considered a damning factor and instead wins the favor of the camp that believed that the best part of Fate series are the Servants, not Masters.
- Next, the first half's members of the Black Faction. While we had Fiore and Caules as genuinely good Masters of the faction and Gordes' fault was just being a haughty jerk; it's worth noting that the leader, Darnic, was a former Nazi collaborator that consumed the souls of children (his way of dealing with Zouken might not be enough to cleanse those). And Celenike is a serial rapist with no redeeming features. And their last master, Reika, is a crazy serial killer who directs Jack the Ripper, the one responsible for the terror in London for a long timeNote Not to mention, Reika wasn't the intended master of Jack, her place was supposedly filled by magus (possibly under Darnic's command) Hyouma Sagara who attempted to use Reika as a sacrifice for the summoning that Jack killed him on spot and switched to Reika, who went crazy afterwards.. At first, this sets up for the show being Grey-and-Gray Morality to facilitate on rooting for the Red Faction.
- A minor point but Shirou was originally a servant to an Einzbern homunculous and was distraught when the latter was killed by Darnic. Anybody who was fond of the other Einzbern homunculi tend to be slightly biased in favor of Shirou.
- Next, the second half's members of the Black Faction. By that point, both Darnic and Celenike have been killed due to their own evil actions and Gordes had a change of heart, whereas both Sieg and Jeanne entered the faction, turning the Black Faction to be the more bonafide good guy team (Reika is eliminated in a latter time). This upsets people who were more into moral grayness and thought it was unfair that the Black Faction was cleaned up to be a less subtle "good guys" team, and it didn't help that Sieg was the show's biggest Base-Breaking Character, furthering the desire for people to cheer for the Red Faction which was considered to have more nuances.
- Finally, the Servants of the Black faction, while pretty good, have been much more of a mixed bag. Siegfried might be the one who would make the faction cool, but then he killed himself very early to revive Sieg. Chiron is overall pretty cool and his relations with Fiore was well-liked, but a lot thought of him as more of a supporting cast to Achilles' development. Vlad was cool on his run, but got the short end of the stick when Darnic forced him to turn into Dracula and then was quickly eliminated by Amakusa. Avicebron committed a despicable treachery and for this was struck down like a traitor that fans overall ignored him until he got a better showing in Fate/Grand Order. Jack's design put off a lot of fans and her role as a Serial Killer didn't help her. Frankenstein is a mixed bag overall. When Jeanne came in, people eventually got pissed with her budding romance with Sieg that she was considered ruined, leaving only Astolfo as the only cool Servant there, but even he had his own detractors.
I can see a perfectly-valid argument to be made for why people would want to root for the Red Faction, despite my own opinions on the matter. It's just... this feels too damn long with several long bullets being devoted to building up the same point, which is probably in defiance of Administrivia.Clear Concise Witty. Should I shorten this, and if yes, how?
openRecurring Fanon Character vs. O.C. Stand-in
- Very common in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic circles.
- The "Background Six" were all characters with absolutely no characterization beyond some slight gags, or maybe a bit line or two. The fandom went wild with them anyway. All of these turned into Ascended Fanon within the show itself in the episode "Slice of Life". These characterizations mostly still persist to this day within the fandom.
- Flufflepuff from Ask Fluffle Puff
- Gamer Princess Luna from Ask Princess Molestia and Ask Gaming Princess Luna
The first example sounds more like O.C. Stand-in they are not fan made characters. The second might count as a persona adopted after they got canon characterization but was commented out as I was posting this.
I’d say O.C. Stand-in should be a separate thing, as such characters aren’t OC’s. But there’s this description from Recurring Fanon Character:
- A reinterpretation of a canon character; these characters are known as the counterparts of the canon characters. The Tails Doll of Sonic R is a robotic doll meant to serve as Tails' Metal Sonic, but is an otherwise Flat Character. Due to its unintentional creepiness, the fans treat as an actual creature of nightmares, which has been the base for many fanworks and creepypasta.
How is O.C. Stand-in separate from RFC? Because OCSI is Depending on the Writer while RFC is a constituent characterization?
And why is O.C. Stand-in not Trivia like Fan Nickname or YMMV if it’s how audiences treat characters? If it is for characters intentionally written to be such do they need proof it’s intentional as opposed to incidental?
openChanging "Characters/GodzillaTheGodzillas" as Characters/Godzilla The Character Film
I want to know if it's okay to change Godzilla: The Godzillas as "Godzilla The Character", since while it's a page designed to show multiple versions of the character, the title itself makes it sound like they in the same continuity when there's 10 different versions of the same character while adding other media-related characters.
openShould this be troped?
Found on YMMV.Metroid Prime:
- Harsher in Hindsight: The tales of developers sleeping on couches in the office and consuming massive quantities of fireball candy to get the game finished is a lot less appealing to the current industrial standards in which developers from multiple companies such as Riot and Netherrealm studios are working their staff into what can be charitably called sweatshop conditions.
I feel like this is in a gray area considering it's not talking about the game itself.
openCreate page button
I was thinking could we create a dedicated "Create page" button on the wiki?
I mean having to edit the url of an existing page to create a new page really doesn't make sense.
1. Creating a page is a fundamental function so there could be a fundamental button for it. Having to modify an existing page to make a new page, is like having to turn on the dishwasher to use the stove. It doesn't make any sense since couldn't the stove just have a button of its own to turn itself on rather than having to operate another appliance.
2. Having to modify the url of a an existing page can be complicated based on what characters you have to add/remove and where. Do I remove these characters? Do I add these characters? Which part to I focus on removing and adding characters.
3. Having a "Create Page" button would make it so much easier to make a url for it and make it less likely that you'll mess up the url for the new page by manually changing an old one. The create page would do all the work for you rather than "Do I change these characters or these characters?"
If this feature is implemented this would make it easier to contribute to the wiki. I mean you wouldn't have to worry about messing up a url to create a new works page. I mean if you know about a show for example that hasn't been added yet, you could right then and there add it before you forget.
Basically it'd make adding works so much more efficient.
openWhen should I split off a sub-page to a trope?
When should I split off a sub-page to a trope?
I have at least 25 to add from one author, to One-Word Title....
Should I give that author their own page, or just split off the Fanfic section?
But really, if a work has 50 examples, it should just get its own sub-page all to itself...
This
planned Underground Monkey entry, that is already taking up 12 lines, and I'm not done. Although, at best, it should... Oh, I missed some...
Note to Self: Trees, Mushrooms, (Bats?)
It might be 30 lines long...
Edited by MaladyopenNobody Poops and aversions
I don't know whether to go to Trope Talk, Wiki Talk, or Trope Repair Shop, so I just went here.
So I was alphabetizing Nobody Poops and adding a few examples, when I noticed that aversions were listed on the Video Games folder despite that the page itself said that aversions (and straight examples) are too common to list, so you should only list parodies, lampshades, etc.
Also, on several works' pages like Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood, they list aversions for Nobody Poops.

Hi. I happen to have noticed that Characters.Skyrim Other Characters was on the Overly Long Pages list.
Having gotten into the relevant game recently, I posted a few ideas to split on the thread concerning too long pages
, from the perspective of my time zone, a couple days ago, and I have yet to get an answer. When something explicitly needs a consensus, I'm the type who'd rather drop the possible modification entirely rather than do the thing unilaterally if I don't get any feedback.
PS: please put anything directly concerning the page split itself on the "too-long page repair" thread.
Edited by Nazetrime