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openOutside opinions on disagreement Videogame
Cutting off a brewing edit war at Fallout 3. I'd previously removed the Idiot Plot entry and a user added it back. Here is the entry:
- Idiot Plot: While Fallout 3 is high on the lists of many people for a myriad of reasons, the main plot generally is not one of them.
- The call to action is your dad leaving to jump start his water purifier in order to give the wasteland a source of water. The problem is that this is a non-issue for virtually everyone else living in the wasteland. Aside from everyone having been able to not die of thirst in the 200 years Dad’s device was inactive, the only people you meet in the entire game who are affected by the lack of water are two homeless people that live outside major settlements. This makes his decision seem brash and shortsighted, especially because it resulted in the deaths of many.
- Imagine if you never meet or fight any dragons in Skyrim and the only way you know they exist is because a single npc asks for health potions because of dragon attacks.
- Dad is accosted by the Enclave, who want the purifier for themselves. He decides that a device with unquestionably altruistic functions should be destroyed just so that bad people couldn’t have it. It’s the equivalent of destroying all blood transfusion research so that the Central Powers wouldn’t be able to use it.
- Granted, Eden wanted to use it to kill everyone, but Dad couldn’t have possibly known that at the time.
- You’re railroaded into helping out the residents of Little Lamplight because there is a huge door in your way and children are pointing guns at you. Your only recourse is to take a sidequest or have a perk that is literally useless anywhere else.
- What makes this an example of the trope is that the quest they send you on involves assaulting a fortified base. Forcing your way into Little Lamplight is a much less daunting task but it seems the only reason you can’t do that is because the writer said so.
- You can convince Eden to kill himself in what appears to be a Call-Back to Fallout 1. However, the first Fallout requires a damning amount of evidence to prove to the Master that everything he did has been to the detriment to humanity. Here, you resort to meaningless platitudes that make the President go “Oh well, may as well kill myself.”
- Prior to the DLC, you have to commit radiation-induced suicide to get the heroic ending. Nevermind that you have a handful of companions immune to radiation, even one who retrieved a Macguffin from insurmountable radiation. The DLC mitigates this but still calls you a coward for being intelligent.
- The call to action is your dad leaving to jump start his water purifier in order to give the wasteland a source of water. The problem is that this is a non-issue for virtually everyone else living in the wasteland. Aside from everyone having been able to not die of thirst in the 200 years Dad’s device was inactive, the only people you meet in the entire game who are affected by the lack of water are two homeless people that live outside major settlements. This makes his decision seem brash and shortsighted, especially because it resulted in the deaths of many.
A lot of these points are nitpicking ("no one needs water but the beggars", "the game pulls But Thou Must! at Little Lamplight") and full of natter (most of the secondary subbullets). The only thing approaching a legitimate complaint is Dad and Eden's decisions, but Dad doesn't destroy the purifier he floods its control room with radiation to keep the Enclave away from it, and the speech check with Eden is very difficult to make and the entire idea of the Speech skill is talking people into agreeing with you, so this is less a case of idiocy on Eden's part and more the developers didn't write good dialogue. And the Heroic Sacrifice ending has been retconned away so that point is moot.
Overall this is just a misuse of Idiot Plot and not applicable.
openPotential Ban Evader
I think Owah may have returned once again as Mixels Fan 1973, who is a new account primarily editing pages that Owah also liked, such as Brawl of the Objects. And, like Owah, they're changing images on pages, such as on Funny.Inanimate Insanity.
Mixels' history
for comparison with Owah's
.
Here's the previous thread about their evasion,
and the time they outed themself
.
Edit: Sorry, the links have been fixed.
Edited by WarJay77openMandalorian edit war?
On the 11th, The Lord Yoiketh Away added Tastes Like Diabetes to The Mandalorian in reference to The Child. It was removed on the 17th. Today, they added this:
- Tastes Like Diabetes: Despite the show generally being darker in tone and having less kid-orientated humor than, say, the Prequel Trilogy, some fans feel like it's trying too hard to make the Child likable and thus find him a little too sickeningly adorable, not unlike the Ewoks from Return of the Jedi. While he has been shown to have Force abilities that move the plot of the first season forward, there is not much else to the actual character himself other than that he is a Ridiculously Cute Critter, which, in the Star Wars series, usually means being explicitly designed to appeal to kids and sell merchandise (and sure enough, many were actually surprised that Disney didn't jump on the marketing train right away). Unfortunately, due to the fact that the Child has also become unexpectedly popular and a huge Fountain of Memes, this has resulted in a lot of people swearing off The Mandalorian altogether.
openEditing issues and rudeness over PM
Chasekaya03 created a few awful stubpages, such as Ride.Disney Junior Live On Stage, WesternAnimation.Scribbles And Ink, and Series.Little Big Awesome.
However, that's not all.
When I sent them a notifier about Disney Junior Live On Stage, they responded that someone should fix it. When I asked if they could, they told me to "do it myself".
It's cutlisted now, and with their attitude I doubt they're planning on learning proper editing any time soon. They're just here to make bad pages and demand other people do the hard work for them, which I find unacceptable.
openMildly Concerning Attitude Anime
Joining Reaper recently edited the Isekai Quartet page. The edit reason they left is in relation to several weeks ago when an episode of the show came out and they insisted on adding a Early-Bird Cameo entry without confirmation from either Word of God or the show itself that it was the case.
The most recent episode confirmed they were right, but the edit entry they left read as follows: Oh, what's this? Did it turn out that it was Ristarte? Why, who could have told us so? Mayhaps, me', when I told you and you dismissed as speculation?!
This rubs me the wrong way and seems very aggressive. The reason we had the original entry hidden was because it wasn't confirmed.
openDub Name Change mass deletions
Wayyyy mass deleted a vast majority of examples of Dub Name Change (especially on their newly-created subpage DubNameChange.Japanese To English) calling them ZCEs even as they were legitimate examples (most were "X in Japanese was called Y in English", which is sufficient context since it self-explanatorily demonstrates that a name change did occur).
Then he posted a big bold notice stating not to add every name change across different versions of a work. This baffles me, since it's not a trope omnipresent enough that straight examples should be banned (since not all works will change character names in translation and not everyone's name even if they did).
The folderization is appreciated but the examples deletion is way too far.
This was not the only time Wayyyy has wiped an examples section out of the blue.
openDisagreement on Natter
obsidiandice has been removing references to individual chapters in Worm and its subpages out of the belief that it's natter, which I think doesn't track because they serve to contextualize when something happens and doesn't take the form of commentary on the work itself.
openCover art of a fanfic
I was hoping to add the cover art for the Fanfic Fate/Magnus Bellum to the main tropes page, but the cover art itself is largely official Nasuverse art cobbled together into a cover page for the story (though it's set up in a way that I find aesthetically pleasing). Is it kosher for me to add something like that to a tropes page because of that? I read the rules regarding images and I didn't see anything that said anything against it so long as it lacks bugs, copyright marks, and watermarks, but I'm asking here for full clarity.
openSophia127 Unilaterally Changing Images and Captions
Sophia127 has been making unilateral changes to images and image captions and I don't want to edit war, so I'm saying something here. Courtesy link
to edit history. There are other problematic edits.
Berrenta has already sent a PM
about one page, but there are multiple pages involved. And now another thread
has been made to correct the unilateral change.
Images and image captions (some of these might be better images, tbh, but they were apparently done unilaterally):
- On Attending Your Own Funeral, she changed the caption to pothole to Not Quite Dead, so now there's no link to Sesame Street.
- NightmareFuel.Battle For Dream Island: Unilaterally changed image and caption. (Caption has sense been unilaterally changed.)
- Assembly Line Fast-Forward: Changed caption.
- Screaming Tropes: Changed image from the famous Scream to... some kids' show.
- TearJerker.Inanimate Insanity
- Ugly Cute: She potholed the image to Real Life, which... seems like a sinkhole given our Real Life article is mostly just for fun.
- Added the image to Woobie.Inanimate Insanity, and I'm really only including this here because there's nothing woobie-like about the characters in the image...
Other issues:
- Characters.Inanimate Insanity: ZCE (Sarcasm Mode)
- Laconic.Nothing Left To Do But Die: Using the phrase "Kill yourself at the main page" is not funny.
- Laconic.Piss Take Rap: Undid the joke to be just "Troper gang" over and over again.
- Laconic.Im Not Afraid Of You: Unilaterally added a second laconic, which is a depracated practice. Moreoever, their added laconic matches the stock phrase without matching the trope.
- YMMV.Smile: Replaced a "Sarcasm Mode" pothole with an "I'm Not Afraid of You" pothole, using it like a troper verbal tic.
It's pretty much every other edit, tbh.
openReally long example
From YMMV/Arknights:
Applicability: (more accurate transcription in replies)
This is so long I wouldn't even know how to BEGIN to trim it dowm (doesn't help I haven't played the game itself). Does anyone have any suggestions- or is it OK as is? Edited by DefiantKitsune
openOdd "Self Demonstrating" Page
Wild Teen Party (the self demonstrating one) doesn't seem to be particularly different from Wild Teen Party. Is there any particular reason why it's considered one?
Edited by FlorienopenNo Title
So since Examples Aren't General, should everything under the "General" folder on ContemptibleCover.Literature be allowed there:
- Twilight's popularity (and its habitual referencing of literary classics) has led to a series of "Twilight-ized" covers of the books mentioned in the series — including Wuthering Heights
, Pride and Prejudice
◊, and Romeo and Juliet
◊. Yes, now you too can be reminded of trashy vampire romance while reading Shakespeare. And that sticker on the Wuthering Heights cover? Yes, that does in fact read, "Bella and Edward's favorite book!"
- Jane Eyre
and again
- Wuthering Heights
◊ again.
- Jane Eyre
- Twilight's popularity (and its habitual referencing of literary classics) has led to a series of "Twilight-ized" covers of the books mentioned in the series — including Wuthering Heights
- A lot of Pulp Magazines, naturally. For instance, the issue of Planet Stories that introduced Eric John Stark has Queen Berild riding a steed that resembles a giant purple googly-eyed seahorse, although she actually wears more clothing than she does in the text.
- Although a few specific series are mentioned here, it's safe to assume that EVERY Urban Fantasy or Paranormal Romance book will have a hideously embarrassing cover. Because they all do.
- Averted to an extreme by many Canadian publishers who not only manage to (usually) avoid putting any objectionable cover onto their books, but due perhaps to a desire (or a requirement) to double up on promoting Canadian culture, it's very common to find works of Canadian art gracing the cover of CanLit books that rarely correspond to the subject matter of the book. For example, a novel about urban life might have a painting of a prairie countryside on the cover. In other words, if you're a CanLit author, you can't always rely on the covers to sell your books.
- Not even self-published works are completely immune to this. Smashwords maintains a helpful list of cover designers for the aspiring writer, many of whom offer... drumroll please... "premade covers". They're cheaper than having one designed to order, but are inevitably the blandest and most generic combination of Photoshopped-together stock images imaginable. They're probably slightly better than nothing, but if you've ever wondered why a lot of ebooks seem to have such bland and forgettable covers, now you know.
- This site
is completely devoted to showcasing the most contemptible cover art on the planet.
openYMMV.Catherine UnfortunateImplications edit war Videogame
Hey, troper metaverse keeps deleting an Unfortunate Implications entry on the YMMV.Catherine page about some fans being unhappy with Unsettling Gender-Reveal jokes (the scene in question involves a transwoman appearing before coming out in an Alternate Timeline so they can make a joke about another character she is attracted to being unaware she is a transwoman or attracted to him, basically), despite 3 sources to said reactions being provided (per the guidelines), with a Strawman Fallacy edit reason that these are "misunderstandings" about a Transgender character no longer wanting to transition, rather than about the actual content of the entry. Entry:
- Unfortunate Implications: In one of the new endings for Full Body, Catherine goes back in time so she can place herself in Vincent's high school and the two end up dating. An unclear number of years later, at Vincent and Catherine's wedding, Erica is then seen pre-transition with Toby, who previously only became friends with the rest of the cast after Erica's transition, in order to make another joke about Erica's attraction to Toby. Outside potentially inadvertently removing Erica's identity and agency, this was mainly seen as Atlus doubling down on problematic Unsettling Gender-Reveal jokes in the story by a number of fans, especially in the trans community in both the West and Japan. It even got to the point where several people refused to buy the game or support Atlus in the future. The English voice actress for Erica, Erin Fitzgerald, explained shortly afterwards that the localization team would try to adjust the ending for the Western release. (Sources: Kotaku
, Daily Dot
, Dualshockers
)
I'm not really sure what to do at this point because the edit reasons for removing don't seem to have anything to do with the actual entry? Honestly, if the entry should go for the sake of Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, I understand, but feel like their strawman Mis-blamed and Overshadowed by Controversy should go too then.
Edited by ashlayopenMore YMMV/StevenUniverseFuture issues.
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Garnet, Pearl, and Amethyst, even with the fact that Steven is growing up, continue to treat him like they did at the start of Steven Universe. At several different points, they are seen glossing over his emotions, such as during "Together Forever" when Garnet doesn't give Steven help when he asks (and claims that "there was no future where he didn't propose despite Ruby and Sapphire directly egging Steven on to propose to Connie), and Amethyst glossing over Steven's concerns in "Guidance" when he pointed out they were treating the newly-immigrated gems like they did on Homeworld (though she turned out to be mostly right, Both Sides Have a Point). And "Snow Day", when they repeatedly ignored the many signs that Steven did not want to play with them, as well as the fact that they never directly apologized to Steven while he was himself onscreen (like he did to Cactus Steven in "Prickly Pair") in "I Am My Monster" or "The Future" over their Parental Neglect or how he was their Living Emotional Crutch, instead just acknowledging it while he was in his Kaiju form. Or acting "tough" in "The Future", without considering how acting like they didn't care their child was leaving may have affected Steven emotionally. Steven may have not brought it up most of the time, but is it any wonder he's angry with them?
1. It fails to explain why they were supposed to be sympathetic despite the circumstances. 2. It outright states they realized they were in the wrong in "I Am My Monster", the point of the series was showing how they treated Steven hurt him. The "never directly apologized to Steven while he was himself onscreen" seems too minor and nitpicky to count when at least 90% of this was intentional. This is the second case of UU issue on the page
.
I also asked UU cleanup
but this seem an easy fix and bigger issue so I'm asking here as well.
openMinecraft YMMV Videogame
A big majority of the YMMV subpages for Minecraft such as Awesome, Funny, and Heartwarming, are mainly just stories about things other players did and put online and have nothing to actually do with the game itself. Is that allowed?
openRemnant Inferis: DOOM Awesome page
About a year ago, Remnant Inferis: DOOM had an awesome moments page, but it was cut since it was created by the author. Somewhere in mid to late last year, I made a sandbox page for moments pages for the fic, and the sandbox entries (added by Troper/Marvyn and myself) seem to be enough to add a new awesome page. These entries had no authorial input whatsoever and have been edited to be grammatically correct. Do I have the go ahead to re-create the awesome moments page?
openManchild or Psychopathic Manchild Videogame
Over the past year, there's been a minor edit war over whether Bowser is a Manchild or a Psychopathic Manchild.
This is his entry:
Bowser is a rich and powerful king, but still shows obvious signs of immaturity on a regular basis; he has nasty mood swings that scare even his most loyal servants, he never feels responsible for his failures, always looking for someone else to blame, and is never satisfied with what he already has, always wanting more. The best showcase of this is when he meets his younger self in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time: barely anything differentiates them in personality, showing that Bowser has barely evolved mentally since infancy.
Which trope is more appropriate?
open The Deadpool pages are way to difficult to understand for people note well-versed with the comics. Print Comic
I get it, Deadpool is 4th Wall breaking, but does really need to be applied to Deadpool's T Vtropes and all associated pages, especially the tropes themselves? It's actually hard to understand some of it, especially when it's discussing specific events which A. Aren't clearly stated and B. assumes you already are well-versed with all of Deadpool's appearances. The one I have serious trouble reading in Deadpool/YMMV page for Seasonal Rot, not only is the entry needlessly long winded, but poorly explained on what events or comics it's even talking about and just isn't all the useful.
What's worse is that on the Characters / Marvel Comics aka: Marvel Universe page, next to link for the Deadpool page their's a note that says "(And if you're asking why there's no Comic Book sub-page for me, too bad! My page is always permanently on Self-Demonstrating mode, cuz I'm frickin' Deadpool.)"
Like really? Is this what T Vtropes has come to where we say screw making the site actually anyway useful or informative and just make entire sections useless for a cheap overdrawn joke that just simply isn't funny unless your a hardcore fan of the character and make fun of people for it?
I'm sorry but I really do feel the Deadpool really needs to heavily revised to at least make it understandable for people who aren't well-versed with the comics and the character and make it more clear what is even being discussed.

DarkestHour.Real Life
The "will inevitably follow" means it's speculative as opposed to have happened. We cut some other COVID-19 related stuff here
so there is precedent of it being used knee-jerk. Cut?
DarkestHour.Real Life is the sort of thing that's had a lot of overly reactionary, ROCEJ, and too soon to call examples. Thoughts on a 5 to 25 year waiting period? (I'd go with 25 as we need a lot of context to say if it really was darkest in retrospect.)