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openCreator's page redirected from Troper's page
So the troper Kelothan had recently decided to make a TLP draft on which they revealed their intention to quit the site. Out of curiosity I looked at their troper's page...but it redirects to a "creators" page for themself, making it much harder to actually see their edits. Since they've left, should this be cutlisted? I don't think it's kosher in the first place to have your troper's page redirect to something else.
open Why there's no pague on Kodomo No Jinkan? Anime
I'm not an idiot, I understand it's a very controversial manga but still... I first started reading it as a part of my quest to witness the most banned content on this world, but what I discovered the was one of the most unapologetic, engrossing stories I've ever read which not only do I believe is probably my favorite Manga now but it helped me cope with my own abuse story as a kid. In my case, it was very ambiguous, there was no violence and my abuser was not that much older than myself, I had always been told that the pain of abuse was instantaneous so as a kid I thought that if it didn't hurt instantly it wasn't abuse. But the pain started to creep up as the years went by and such ambiguousness was compounded with a lot of doubts no one wanted to answer or aknowledge could be asked since it was tabu to question the white and black morality of the situation and just doing it surely meant you were an abuser. But Kodomo No Jinkan asked those questions and slowly I felt I wasn't so alone, in my quest for edgy shit I thought I had become insensitive, but the uncomfortable actions combined with actually caring for the characters made me so uncomfortable I couldn't believe it. Near the end there's an abuse scene that made me angry and disgusted (that was the intention) to levels I didn't thought I was capable of feeling anymore. And the ending is quite controversial for not being ideal to many moral standard (maybe stretching them a bit), but that's kinda the point, when you have been broken you happiest ending will still be a shattered one for the eyes of most people but is one you should strive for instead of giving up because the perfect normal people's ending is unreachable. Also there's a very sick character with PTSD which at the end decides to start dealing with it after avoiding it for so long, it hurt deep inside in a very needed way. I know in appearance it looks bad and most people want it to "tell don't show" but I think of it as medicine, not for your normal headache as it is chemo extreme so I guess is fine if people can't take it, but to be hated after doing so much good it makes me feel alone. So I wanted to ask if we can include it back please, I think it can do a lot of good with people still stuck in between traumas they can't just tell anybody about.
openRequesting Image Edits
Is there a forum thread where I can go to request an image edit? I launched the SpongeBob SquarePants: Video Game Characters page recently, and unfortunately, the best image I could find of Robo-Patrick contains a distracting number that I'm unable to edit out myself because I don't have the photoshop skills to do it.
openTwo fanfics Need Magic Wiki Love Western Animation
My crossovers Code Saw and Code Wings 3.0 need some help getting tropes. I've been trying to get them myself (and would edit the page Needs Wiki Magic Love myself if it weren't locked), but I can't do it on my own. Do you all think you can help me?
Please and thank you. It would help a lot.
(I would put it under Fan Works, but you don't have a category for that, unfortunately.)
Edited by Teenlyokofan7777openSubtitled video has watermark
On a video I may plan on uploading, I added translations and subtitles to it myself (because no English subs exist, and I can understand Mandarin Chinese) with Kapwing.com—which has a watermark on the top-right of the screen. Is it okay to upload it anyway?
openAversion Example to Delete?
Found this entry on Anime & Manga. Should I delete it?
"Surprisingly averted in Shokugeki no Soma: While cooking is incredibly serious business within Tootsuki, it is recognized that gourmet food is a niche interest outside that limited sphere, and the people who take it seriously do so because they are within that niche, but most of the world couldn't care less. Even the most obsessive cooks never consider cooking to be a goal in itself, but always have another goal in mind and consider food to be a stepping stone towards that goal. The ones that actually do consider food to be the most important thing in existence (Eishi, Azami, young Joichirou, Akira during his tenure at Central) are seen as maladjusted at best, and teetering on the brink of insanity at worst. Soma, the most competitive of the lot, at one points stands to lose his culinary career, but rather sanguinely points out that as a driven, reasonably intelligent sixteen-year-old, he could do a lot of other things with his life than cook, and losing his chosen career would be a heavy blow but hardly a crippling one. Nearly all the main characters are shown to have hobbies and other interests. Isshiki is an organic gardener of growing repute, Yuuki a skilled hunter, Ryoko experiments with brewing, Megumi plays table tennis, Hisako and Ryou take care of their respective charges, Nene plays the zither and is a skilled calligrapher, Senzaemon works out rather obsessively, Azami takes time off to ski and practice iaido, Miyoko is the star of Tootsuki's basketball team and even Erina "God Tongue" Nakiri enjoys afternoons in bed reading romance manga."
openCouldn't we have talked about this some first?
I have issues with the fact that Brainulator9 and Piterpicher have been mass-deleting potholes from "The Reason You Suck" Speech without discussing it first. No visit to the dedicated quotes thread, no use of the page's discussion page, no visit to ATT, not even personal messages to anyone who's been editing that page on and off such as myself asking us to dial back on the potholes, just a purge of the square brackets. I've had these issues for a while, but I've waited this long because I didn't want to talk about it in a knee-jerk, angry shouting match way. I've let the initial reactions fade out and am prepared to talk about them politely and courteously now.
I'm not saying they're wrong, but sweeping, zero-tolerance edits like this have massive impacts on how a page appears and this isn't the right way to compress an overly-long page. I already suggested breaking the page down into smaller, dedicated quotes pages on the thread and didn't get a lot of objections. Wouldn't that be better?
In any case, I'm paging both to come here at their nearest convenience. Let's all keep this civil.
openAcceptable Targets in ''Survivor''?
Recently while editing YMMV.Survivor, I cut most of an entry for Acceptable Targets since I know there have been issues with misuse in the past and I wasn't convinced the listed examples fit; the only part I left behind as potentially legitimate was about people who quit the game, since "quitters" is a category that automatically gets scorned by the show.
Since then, I glanced over the Acceptable Targets page itself and saw a "This is based on opinion" warning; though I wasn't sure if it meant it was limited to YMMV or that it wasn't to be used period. Happyfrybreath also restored a couple examples and added new ones "that most people seem to agree upon".
So what's the consensus of the community at large? I'm not entirely sure what the right way to use Acceptable Targets is, if at all.
openDiscussion Page input
Hi, there's a discussion between myself and another troper regarding a Trivia entry I removed. However, the discussion is at an impasse, so I'm hoping someone can help us resolve it. Since it rests on the possibility of my interpretation of the trope description being wrong (which wouldn't be the first time), please would it be possible for someone to take a look at the discussion and see whether the entries should be re-added?
The discussion is here Trivia.RWBY
The trope is: Creator Backlash.
The entries I removed are as follows, along with the edit reason I used:
Edit reason: Creator Backlash is not about creators who can look at flaws in their work and wish they'd done things differently. It's for creators who come to hate a work that is popular with fans.
- Creator Backlash:
- The crew in general don't look back on Volume 1 with a lot of good memories, with Ruby's actress Lindsay Jones frequently wishing for a chance to redub the season and Miles Luna frequently bemoaning the Jaundice arc for taking too long.
- Miles Luna admitted prior to Volume 5 that he was painfully aware of how often Yang got shafted for screentime and plot relevance, and specifically noted that Yang would get a lot of focus in that coming volume.
- Since Volume 5, Luna has taken several small potshots at the season in retrospect, such as mocking several lines he wrote on the commentary track, noting that the team wouldn't be stuck in a house again all season for Volume 6, and specifically promising that Ruby would get more focus and her leader status would be more emphasized in the coming Volumes.
openDamsel no longer in distress
When the series started, the naive girl is kidnapped by a human trafficking network and sold to a brothel for forced prostitution. She barely understand anything of it (she does not even speak the language, as she's taken from a distant country), and completely depends on the hero to save her. Meaning, a Damsel in Distress.
Did I say that she did not understand anything? Only in the begining. During the series she learns the way everything works, how to outsmart the bosses and look for herself, without needing the hero. By the ending of the series, she makes the big plans herself, and the hero is more of a drawback than a good help. Meaning, a Damsel out of Distress.
Would it be correct to list both in the character page, explaining the context, or the final characterization is the one that prevails?
openClarification on All Gays Are Promiscuous
A bit confused about All Gays are Promiscuous since examples were taken out from Hazbin Hotel and the trope page itself.
Is this trope basically about a gay character who is promiscuous? Several examples on the trope page itself, it's laconic, and playing with page seem to suggest so.
Really confused since the Hazbin Hotel examples were removed basically on the reason that of the 3 gay characters in the show, only 1 of them is promiscuous while the other 2 aren't therefore it doesn't qualify as this trope. If so, what about the other examples in the trope page which lists works with both promiscuous and non-promiscuous gay characters?
Edited by ElfkaiseropenPro Jared RoleEndingMisdemeanor addition Web Original
On Nov 22nd, Ozwald Edswald added the following entry:
"Heidi herself would not escape this trope either. During the controversy many were suspicious of her accusations towards Jerad, feeling that some were baseless or contradicted already existing information. Later on these suspicions proved true and many of Heidi's tweets were revealed to be exaggerations and even outright lies. Then when it was revealed that Heidi had been abusing her husband, her reputation sank even farther than Jared's."
I removed this on the 25th, citing a lack of evidence. I then received a PM from Ozwald with a link to a reddit thread
discussing it, but I do not feel this is enough to warrant the entry since it is very circumstantial points and is saying Heidi's reputation is tanked even though there is no evidence to that. Ozwald readded the entry earlier today.
Just wanted to bring it up here for review since I don't agree it counts.
Edit: I responded to him with a link to this ATT.
Edited by keyblade333openPossible issue with a Polanski YMMV
From YMMV.Chinatown:
- Harsher in Hindsight: The sexual abuse Noah Cross commits within the movie could be seen in a whole new light after attention was brought to a real-life court case implicating Roman Polański himself in something similar. This
article on Cracked explicitly notes the parallels between how Cross gets off scott-free for his crimes and how Polanski himself escaped jail time by fleeing the U.S.note This is technically not quite what happened, as Polanski's tvtropes page attests. Polanski confessed to his crime, and as per a plea bargain accepted to spend time in Chino Prison as part of a psychiatric evaluation. Polanski spent 42 Days in Chino, honouring his part of the plea bargain and was released early as per the recommendation of his probation officer. It was only when Judge Rittenbrand decided to back out of the plea bargain and planned to bring fresh charges that Polanski decided to flee, an action which the prosecutor of that case admitted was a justified response. In other words, unlike Cross whose crime is never unearthed and who does not admit to his crimes, Polanski both admitted to his crime and subjected himself to the justice system, only running when they backed out of the plea bargain.
Is it me or does the justifying note need changing?
Edited by Chabal2openFirst Person Character Profile
Slug39terra
unilaterally changed Deadpool's character section in Characters.Death Battle Season Six to be all first person. Can I request a revert here?
Also can we leave all first-person troping to Self-Demonstrating pages?
Edited by JRads47openMisuses of the POV Cam trope Videogame
So, one thing I have noticed while cleaning up the Video Game pages is that P.O.V. Cam trope is sometimes just stuck onto any game that's played from a first-person perspective. Here's the latest example: Your Toy.
I mean, that's textbook Trope Decay, right? Given its relative prominence (this is like the fifth time I see this, and I am sure doing a wick search will reveal a few more), should we outright amend the trope page itself to clarify that's 'not what it's meant to be about?
The Quiet One (he/him)
openMoving a page to Useful Notes Videogame
A while back (maybe around two or so years ago), in the TLP crash rescue thread, I brought up VideoGame.Game Genie since it lacks trope examples. I said I thought it should be moved to UsefulNotes.Game Genie, since it's a way to tinker with games' code, rather than being a game itself. Only one person responded; Fighteer said he agreed with that idea, but that post wasn't marked as a mod statement (i.e., the post wasn't highlighted in red/pink), so I wasn't sure if I had permission.
Would moving the page to Useful Notes require a TRS thread, or is posting this on ATT enough? VideoGame.Mii was moved to UsefulNotes.Mii earlier this year without TRS, but I don't know if the consensus was gathered on ATT or the forums, so I wasn't sure.
Edit: It looks like VideoGame.Game Shark is in the same boat as VideoGame.Game Genie.
Edited by GastonRabbitopenHelp me find tropes for a Psychopath! Videogame
So there is a character who is really weird, even comical if he wasn't so dangerous. He is not The Sociopath, although he appears to be trying.
The description describes him as follows:
"Alonso Graves is a man disturbed. A former soldier of the Empire, war transformed his soul forever. The disdain and misanthropy within him can only momentarily be silenced by the blood of his former masters. Believing himself now to be a god, he is intent on "freeing" all he can from the shackles of human existence."
In game, Alsonso is the weakest of the "Expert" AI in his game, Anno 1800. He is utterly unpredictable and may declare war if he feels like it, but he is not someone with a Chronic Backstabbing Disorder.
This makes it hard to find proper tropes for him.
Edited by Lyefyre

On the Awesome page for Rick & Morty here
, SP Burke added this entry:
I don't know if this entry is kosher or not, but in any case, concernedalien11780 added the simple line of "among other things" to it.
My concern is not that—it is the HUGE edit reason along with it.
"Most of the toxic fandom controversies relating to Rick and Morty were in relation to either people who use Rick as a reason to act pseudo-intellectual and mean to others, harassing female writers on Twitter, or acting like lines like "Wubba-Lubba-Dub-Dub!" and "Pickle Rick!" are funny without context, and where all three of those might overlap. While certainly not apolitical, Season 3 didn't really have any obvious political satire or moralizing, because despite Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland being ardently liberal, albeit Harmon rather moreso, they don't like to preach very much, at least not within the show itself. Even the instiutionalized racism allegories in S 3 E 07 "Tales From The Citadel" didn't have anything obviously referencing any real-life instances of police brutality or systemic struggles. Perhaps "Fascist Morty" was a way of calling out fans that harp on any liberal politics or bigotry being depicted as negative appearing in the show whatsoever and interpret it as being preached at, or people who say they don't want politics in their TV when they really just don't want to see alt-right types depicted as villains, despite there being few other ways to depict them in modern mainstream media. This is perhaps more applicable to the controversies relating to HBO's Watchmen show than Rick and Morty. The way it was done in this episode was perhaps the least preachy way to address a larger issue surrounding the show's fandom, and could trick the kinds of fans implicitly being mocked into laughing at it as well. TLDR, while I won't remove the "Awesome" entry on them calling out neo-Nazis in the Rick and Morty fandom, because of the rules on opinion-based entries, I at least chose to add the "among other things" to at least partially address what the controversy is really about. While there perhaps is something to be said about not letting the show be honest about the world we live in, I don't think that not wanting to hear a certain kind of opinion in the shows one watches should automatically make someone be seen as a neo-Nazi, and that if they're going to acknowledge anything relating to the toxic fandom, it should be the other things I mentioned, even if it runs the risk of making the show come off as more preachy. Most alt-right people hate Rick and Morty already anyway due to it being a defining part of the liberal comedy community of the 2010s, so they're probably not going to see the show anyway, let alone get the message. If my rant here makes any of the higher-ups decide that the entry I'm talking about should be removed or more heavily edited, then OK. I'm not trying to change anything too heavily, I just want readers to consider things from multiple angles."
So...Yeah. Is this okay?