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openEdit War on Far From Home page
The following example from has been edited, added and deleted numerous times:
- Protagonist-Centered Morality: When HYDRA deploys a flying superweapon with the ability to invade individual privacy on a global scale and execute anyone on Earth at any time with no appeal or oversight in Captain America The Winter Soldier, they must be stopped because they are fascist monsters. When Tony Stark does the exact same thing, he posthumously proclaims himself a hero for it, and no-one contradicts him.
It was even discussed on the forums
. Since it got deleted again, I took the liberty to create a discussion on the movie subpage and PMed all tropers involved. If anyone else is willing to join in, please reply there:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Film.SpiderManFarFromHome
openIndexing Web Original
So i've created a couple new pages and have been trying to add them to their specific indexes, but I can't find the index that they belong too. Like I've been trying to add the Web Video/fan works page to the fanfiction index, but I can't find the fanfiction index itself because everytime I go to the its index, it is just the overview page of what fanfiction is. I feel like i'm doing something wrong. Please help
open Kid's show about two twin girls and their robot dog Western Animation
Hello~ I wanted to know what was the bame of that show I've watched when I was 5 years old~ I remember it was from around 1990's or from the early 2000's... This show was Canadian if I remember and it was about two twin women with blonde hair and red dressses, they we're pretty glamorous and would travel all around the world (mostly with an air plane) if I remember right the had a male companion not sure if he was 20 years old or an old man, I don't remember right, but a big hint here is that those girls we're based of off real celebrities, two Canadian twins and the show itself started the intro with the real actresses getting inside an air plane , and then, they transformed into cartoon girls. I remember they had a Scootish dog type that was a robot and would do lots of things and also talk. The girls we're drawn quite realistic not like Johnny Test, Gravity Falls, Princess Star or any other modern western cartoons, this was more detailed and the animation was pretty good~... I even remember one episode where the girls got scared of how popular robot dogs became, that all the children had abandoned their pets to buy robot puppied and I remember the girls to be quite upset, and they dealed with a golden retriever (If I remember right) to find his home and convince the owner to get rid of the robot dog and take care of him instead~... I remember that this episode quite weirded me out since the girls themselves owned a robot dog~.. anyway, I hope you people do remember this show because I really want to know the name of it~♪
openSuperfluous Roleplay indexes? Web Original
So, I asked this questions in the comments under an earlier ATT query but didn't get a reply, so I'll ask again: what exactly is the difference between Forum Role Plays and Play-by-Post Games? The former page just seems like a worse version of the latter, being simply a bare index, whereas the other page actually explains what makes this medium special.
I feel like the contents of the former index should just be merged with latter, and the page itself cut.
openCreating a page? Anime
There is this Naruto fanfic that really deserves a page on here. The series, posted on AO 3, is called “The Sea Never Dies” by Fires From Our Hearts. There are several “books” in the series; the first two are completed, an interim book is a bunch of short stories and oneshots canon to the fanfic, the third book is currently being updated, and the fourth will come when the third book is completed. The fanfic is really incredible, and I’d love to see a page for it on here. Is there a different way I can recommend someone create one, or should I just do it myself? How would I even get started?
Edited by RuthieToothieopenPerformances of a work on the work page
Can performances of a work be troped on the work page itself? For examples, "Death by Adaptation: In production XYZ, this character dies" or "the female lead is usually played by a male actor in modern productions, adding Homoerotic Subtext to this relationship". (Or if we have any trope pages for compositions, future recordings thereof.) They are objectively present in those performances but not in the text.
openCommon Knowledge in Man of Steel Film
Five years after its release and Man of Steel still causes controversy in this very website. Troper Tuvok deleted the Common Knowledge entry in the movies YMMV page.
The entry said: "The final fight scene with Zod has garnered this reputation. People generally describe it as the fight destroying the entire city with Clark being responsible for most of the destruction and being completely indifferent to the rest. In reality, most of Metropolis is left completely untouched and the destruction seems worse than it is because of the focus given to it and the fact that the film doesn't hold back from showing how terrifying it is from a civilian perspective. Similarly, Clark is personally responsible for almost none of it as much of it was done by Zod's world engine or Zod himself and Clark did make an effort to lead him into space and even made a point of avoiding buildings when he punched him at one point. As for claims of indifference, he was busy trying to stop Zod to begin with who wasn't exactly an easy opponent."
Tuvok justified the deletion with: "The damage was calculated as quite large and city wide as shown in B v S , as well as the Director addressing it [1]
. Snyder wanted there be consequences for hero interactions. ‘’’I wanted a big consequence to Superman’s arrival on earth. Certainly, Batman v. Superman sort of cashes in all its chips on the ‘why’ of that destruction.’’’ Which would signify the damage was large. It was also calculated by various outlets [2]
Done by the Watson Technical Consulting to assess the cost. So confirmation the destruction was city wide, the main critisim during the fight was Clarke punching through flying through various building with no indication of making an effort to check damage caused. Making out with his girlfriend with the city in waste in the background did not help."
I must protest the deletion because Common Knowledge is about correcting and clarifying details about a story that average viewers might not be aware of and Tuvok's reasoning is about reaffirming something the viewers already know. Yes, there is an estimation to the city's damage but there were parts of the city that were largely untouched during the climax. Yes, Superman's fight with Zod caused damage but Superman attempted to limit the damage by fighting Zod in the sky. As for claims of indifference, Superman was busy fighting Zod, so it's not like he was shown not caring about civillian casualties.
What do you think?
Edited by MasterHeroopenIs Chaos Princess Pinkie Pie in Issue 57 Pinkie Pie's One Winged Angel form? Print Comic
In Issue 57 of the MLP IDW comics, after getting a little too used to the chaos dimension, Pinkie Pie threaten to use her new chaos powers back in her home world (she never says what she'll do from there) then turns herself into an alicorn and calls herself the "Princess of Chaos" . Would this count as One Winged Angel?
Edited by HaloFlyer1122openWick cleanup help
Is there a place where I can ask for help cleaning up wicks? I was looking through the related tab for Schedule Slip to see how many examples were played with, and I came across loads of examples on the main work page instead of the trivia page. I'd go through it myself, but it is a lot, and most of them would have to have new trivia pages created just to house them.
openRose Quartz: An Example of Satanic Archetype or Satan Is Good? Western Animation
One thing that has been bugging me recently is how people say that Rose Quartz from Steven Universe is an example of a Satanic Archetype. In my honest opinion, she belongs firmly in the other category, because a Satanic Archetype is defined on this very wiki as "[a] truly evil character who appears to be a satanic figure for the setting, although they clearly aren't the Devil himself". But I ask you, why would someone include this example on the page when Rose only rebelled against Homeworld for the benefit of others and Lucifer rebelled against God out of selfishness? If anything, Rose should be an example of a Messianic Archetype or Satan Is Good, and yet, there is a clip in the video examples of the page featuring Rose Quartz/Pink Diamond. So what is Rose: a Satanic Archetype or Messianic Archetype/Satan Is Good?
Edited by Dragonking56
Migrated to Chloe Jessica!
openis this a violation of ROCEJ? Webcomic
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.OvershadowedByControversy
Scifimaster 92 deleted the following entry from Overshadowed by Controversy:
- Sinfest, a webcomic initially known for its raunchy, dark comedy and its lighthearted parodies of religious tropes, garnered a much more negative reputation after the onset of the Sisterhood arc in 2011, which radically shifted the comic's focus into a story-driven one with heavy, radical feminist overtones. What made this so controversial was a combination of its misandrist attitudes towards men, the author's constant deflection of criticism as "dudebro misogyny," attempts at using female characters to speak for women despite being a middle-aged man (as well as insulting women who disagree with his views), and more recently the use of the Sisterhood as a mouthpiece for transphobia, depicting gender non-conforming individuals as liars and literal zombies. Consequently, the comic's fanbase has been hemorrhaging out over the years, the author's Patreon is seeing a steady decline in support, and Sinfest is now more well-known for its trans-exclusionary radical feminist overtones than for anything else about it.
now, some of this probably does need to be cut, the bits about misandry and the like are likely to attract MRAs. however, TV Tropes explicitly takes a pro-trans, anti-transphobia stance. i dont think it runs afoul of ROCEJ to condemn TERFs.
im trans myself, so i may be too close to this issue to view it objectively. id like some input on whether it's kosher to include or not.
Edited by razorrozar7openQuestion regarding a Dethroning moment Videogame
Kibchi has added a DethroningMoment.Video Games moment that I felt got way too personal to qualify:
- Kibchi here. My current moment for me is how Nintendo handled the casting for Three Houses. First they get Edelgard a new voice actor (and don't even tell us why,) and then they replace Byleth's with a total novice over Tumblr drama. Chris confessed to a lot of abuse, (that happened because people decided to emotionally abuse him badly enough he was suicidal,) and violated his NDA (by talking in a closed circle of friends, apparently) so they replaced him with this guy who's barely old enough to drink. This lack of transparency and their desperate cling to their image is utterly disgusting. The Nintendo Ninjas have lost their right to call themselves ninja- Only the most despicable scum would kick a suicidal man when he's down. This attempt to whitewash their image is just making it worse. I'd pre-ordered the game before it happened, so I couldn't just cancel my order on release day, but I'm not buying any DLC. Also, I'm not updating the game. The Day One patch can go fuck itself.
This DMOS has nothing to do with the game itself and kinda constitute as a real life example yet the troper readded it back despite being previously removed twice due to not being a fictional moment.
Edited by Loekman3openD20 System pages
In another round of "should this page be Useful Notes?", we have TabletopGame.D 20 System. This page only explains about how this game system works and contains no tropes, only an index of the actual tabletop games that use this system, so I would normally be strongly in favour of making this Useful Notes.
However, we also have TabletopGame.D 20 Modern and TabletopGame.D 20 Rebirth, and I have a sneaking suspicion there may be other pages like this as well. Unlike the above, both of these pages do contain tropes: quite a lot of them for D20 Modern, in fact. Thus, I'm actually unsure on how to handle this, since it would seem awfully inconsistent if only one gets moved and the others stay.
P.S. This is tangentially related to the query, but still pretty important. The "Select Medium" feature to the side currently doesn't contain anything for Tabletop Games, so I couldn't apply it here. Moreover, its spelling for the video games medium - "Videogame" - is considered incorrect on the wiki itself, where all the relevant pages are meant to use Video Game namespace, and pages that spell it with lower-capital g are considered accidentally miscapitalized.
Edited by NTC3openMisusing tropes, speculative troping, misquoting creators and using pages to vent/project
ThoughtComplex
has been leaving work for others to clean up. They often misuse tropes, most commonly on Jonathan Hickman's X-Men when it was created, when they were seemingly throwing anything on the page to fill it, which left work to clean up — they also engaged in speculative troping
, which had the same effect. When an entry they added was removed
, they re-added it under another trope
, obviously without checking that it was correct the second time.
They misused more tropes on the Jonathan Hickman's X-Men page that they created — which in and of itself is odd as the X-Men character pages are pretty neatly sorted for the most part, with individual works' character sheets usually linking to the main X-Men character sheet or the character's page at best — such as applying Ms. Fanservice to any female character that was drawn as attractive (which is the majority with one artist's style), even citing Male Gaze that doesn't exist.
They also used Dawn Of X as a place to vent, such as being insulted at the very IDEA of the X-Men sharing space with another franchise, which I changed when moving it to Jonathan Hickman's X-Men — they were also putting examples on the wrong pages for a while. They also added Soft Reboot on Jonathan Hickman's X-Men and said that a work was ignoring the 2010s comics — which they very clearly dislike — and referring to them in Broad Strokes... when the work was one issue old and referred to EVERYTHING in broad strokes because it's a first issue. They did the same on the trivia page.
Finally, they were massively misquoting creators to further their own speculation and project their own opinions as that of the creators. They said
Dawn of X was said to be tied to the X-Men in the MCU, which Hickman specifically said
his work wasn't. They said Hickman said
he hated the 2010s X-Men stories, which he makes no mention of based on a Google search.
It's been going on for a while but it seemed like it died down, but seemingly hasn't. Hopefully the links to specific edits works better for you guys, because I wanted to find specific examples because they edit these pages a lot.
Edited by FuzzyBarbarianopenSparkle Sparkle Sparkle Western Animation
From YMMV.Moana:
- Moana may be secretly a fan of The Nostalgia Critic (or Thomas And The Magic Railroad), as revealed by her scene in Tamatoa's cave when she's trying to get the crab's attention.note The Critic himself had to quell rumors that this was a direct reference by pointing out that Rob and Doug Walker have been fairly consistent credits in Disney movies since the pair were children.
Moana: "Sparkle, sparkle, sparkle..."
- Moana may be secretly a fan of The Nostalgia Critic (or Thomas And The Magic Railroad), as revealed by her scene in Tamatoa's cave when she's trying to get the crab's attention.note The Critic himself had to quell rumors that this was a direct reference by pointing out that Rob and Doug Walker have been fairly consistent credits in Disney movies since the pair were children.
Since Doug Walker a)didn't invent this phrase, and b)lobbied at least one hypocritical complaint against Moana, would anyone mind if I removed any reference to him from this entry, if not the whole thing?
openRed links to the Back to the Future novel Literature
Lately, I've been seeing links to the article for George Gipe's novelization of Back to the Future as a Red Link, like so. However, the page itself is still intact. Worried about the page being cut, I took no chances and moved all of the examples from that page to the page for B to the F: The Novelization of the Feature Film in case. I checked the Recent Cuts page
, but it's not there. I checkd the Cut List page
, but it's not there either. Can someone tell me whether it's actually being cut or not?
openOkage Title Videogame
The page for Okage is incorrectly titled. The real title is Okage: Shadow King, you can even see it on the poster in the page itself. Requesting approval to move everything to the proper namespace.
Edited by DelphineTheDelphoxopenPotential Fake Entry
Found this entry on "https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheProductionCurse
", think that it is very likely to be fake because 1) there is a playwright called Lawrence Wright but his earliest play dates to 2005 2) no evidence I can find online of a play called "On With the Show" written by a Lawrence Wright 3) Entry itself reads too much like a creepypasta anyway.
"When Lawrence Wright put his thirteenth play on the stage in 1938 titled On With The Show, he avoided prompting fear among traditionally superstitious actors by saying that it was actually his fourteenth. The fates now thwarted, he went ahead. First, the theatre burnt down and all the props were destroyed. On the replacement smaller pavilion one musician slipped and sprained his wrist while two others were rushed away with gastric troubles. A main character lost his voice while another had to have all his teeth pulled out, leaving him helpless throughout the run. A dancer was ordered to take complete rest, two members of the chorus suffered from sprained ankles and a separate dancer fell upstairs and hurt her leg. The manager collapsed one day while the wardrobe organiser fell and sprained her arm. It was then discovered that there were thirteen people in the cast, thirteen musicians in the band and thirteen songs in the show."

InsanePryomanic's
edits demonstrate questionable grammar, as seen in pages like Characters.YuGiOh VRAINS
.
Sent a notifier, but for the time being, can I please get a revert on the edit for that page? (EDIT: made the changes myself already)
Edited by Tenma-Yuuki