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open Roleplay character sheet
DR Falling Future is a new stub article, already reported in the long-term project thread (the crash rescue thread). Characters.DR Falling Future is its character sheet and it also has issues.
It has the standard ZCE problem, and its editors are actually edit-warring over my clean-up. Though to the editors' credit, there have been some attempts to provide more context, but often with half-context or word cruft like 'self-explanatory'; or they seem to think that pictures are substitutes for written context.
They removed my standard ZCE notice and I received no less than three messages over the page. I feel they have a sense of ownership over the page ('our project you're not even a part of' + ' as long as you don't touch our characters and the page itself') or they think they can break this wiki's ZCE rules because other pages break them as well ('Do it for everybody else's pages, or don't work on them at all without our permission.'). They cited other Roleplay character sheets as precedence... which opens another can of worms.
I tried to reply as best as I could but it was very time-consuming and exhausting and I'm not sure my message was received. (I hope I remained civil and helpful in my replies.)
I also thought I would mention it here because I suppose the editors will come here to argue their point of view, or at least to confirm that I am not making things up with Administrivia.Zero Context Example and other editing rules.
Also, prushka (one of the editors) mentioned in their message that the Roleplay is not made public yet (QUOTE It's not even public yet UNQUOTE)... which makes me think it's an unpublished work and as such, it needs to be moved to Darth Wiki — both the stub and its character sheet.
I'm posting it here because I think they all need to be reminded of this wiki's rules and its purpose (troping fiction and stories for general readership; it's not a platform to host fanfic roleplay for the players to get the feel of their characters). They probably need to hear it from the mods, not a regular fellow troper.
(I also admit I'm vexed because my clean-up efforts of their ZCE basically went down the drain.)
ETA: Sorry it's such a Wall of Text.
Edited by XFlloopenSpeculative Troping Western Animation
Beatman 1 has been doing a lot of edits over the past for the Voltron: Legendary Defender page that speculate the intent of why things happen, or add negative weasel words to otherwise unremarkable information, in order to turn it more negative-sounding. For example bringing up that the lack of merchandise is likely due to the creators' personal hatred of the mecha genre, that certain lines of products were possibly poorly received, or canceled due to fan outrage (when poor sales or company mergers and layoffs are as likely of a cause and actually have received press coverage at the time; even so, that constitutes being too speculative to add in itself, and another user who made similar types of entries recently got suspended here and on other pages for blatantly violating the rules), despite no official indications otherwise.
I feel that, due to the notorious amounts of Epileptic Trees regarding this franchise and its creators' intent (of which I have plenty, but which I don't believe is my place to add them), that without some kind of official confirmation as to the motives of company actions, it crosses the boundary into speculative troping since it reads creator intent and malice into a page that is supposed to about recording audience reactions, and thus requires some measure of impartiality, despite the name.
I've had to do a lot of cleanup regarding his edits for negativity bias and it's getting very tiring as he rarely adds anything strictly informative enough to leave alone, and has already had a history of excess negativity towards the series to the point of thumps on the forums, and has been found to have engaged in unsolicited harassment of fans of the work on other social media.
I mentioned in the past about a tendency of his to use the page as a soapbox for his Single-Issue Wonk with the show, as well as bring it up in threads and pages for unrelated works, even bringing up arguments from people he's otherwise violently opposed to due to his vocal hatred of their taste for same-sex shipping in order to bash it, but I don't think it's safe for me to PM him knowing this now for fear of inviting said harassment onto myself.
Edited by AlleyOopopenNSFW warnings? Videogame
Would it be okay to add warnings for links that could be potentially NSFW but nothing explicit?
I would like to add an example to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate under Hilarious in Hindsight that involves a link to deviantart (You can already tell where this is going) and the link contains some....fetish art. Would it be ok to add a warning for any readers who might click the link as it could squick people if they're not prepared or into it?
Side note the picture itself is fine but the users page contains some racy art so would it be appropriate to post a link with a warning, just the image itself (which I'm hesitant as it doesnt give the creator credit), no link at all, or just axe the example altogether?
openCan I make a trope page about myself? Web Original
Before I begin. Apologies if I'm posting in the wrong spot! I glanced around, not exactly thoroughly, but this seems like a good place to post a general question. If I'm not using the forum right or there is a better place. Please just let me know! I'll delete or lock or whatever I'm supposed to do before going to the right forum.
Anyhow I've been lurking on T Vtropes for a while now, great site, and I was thinking of trying to make a page. The problem is that I don't know if I'm actually allowed to do that given what I want to do. For clarity I'm a youtuber specilizing in lets plays hence why I put this in web original. I thought it be better then video games. I'm a pretty shitty one and by no means a proffesional, but I thought it be a fun thing to try and do. Regardless I should stop rambling. If I'm doing anything wrong just let me know and I'll see what I can do to fix it.
Edit: Query has been answered!
Edited by DoomRPGopenHelp Requested for my Lets Play Work Page!
Disclaimer! If I accidently tripped any guidelines feel free to just delete my page. I don't remember the exact rules off the top of my head and I did not mean to cause any issues. Additionally if my post here is NOT within the grounds of Ask the tropers. I apologize and I'm fine with its deletion I thought it be acceptable due to "requests for help with wiki articles."
I wanted to get more progress on my work page more including the currently absent tropes as well as a character page including myself and any guest appearances. Problem is I'll be extremely busy for the weekend and won't have the time to do so! I'd greatly appreciate if anyone hopped in to progress the article. In fact I'd love it if you let me know your contribution! I'd be more then happy to give you the thanks you'd deserve.
Anyhow if you DO intend to help me out here and give my work page wiki magic love I'd reccomend avoiding earlier works (Fire emblem Binding Blade Skyrim Civ 5 Sort the court) As they are of atrocious quality, and I can handle them once I have time. It be more enjoyable (and tolerable) to start with some of the newer ones (such as plague inc Evolved Mr.President.)
That's all and if I'm massively. Massively screwing up. I am terribly sorry. (If any of you get Schmuck baited. Please forgive me)
openTime to reach concensus Film
There was a bit of the controversy going on with the Protagonist-Centered Morality on the Spider-Man: Far From Home page and troper HighCrate
pulled the contested example to the example thread
. It happened at Jul 15th 12:24 AM. Two tropers replied to him there, and six hours later, at Jul 15th 6:25 AM he pulled the example back "per concensus". What kind of concensus can be reached during 6 hours when none of the people originally editing that example got the chance to be involved in the discussion? To be clear, I was not among them but I find it wrong.
The resulting example "per concensus" is factually incorrect. It states that Tony Stark "proclaimed himself a hero" for creating E.D.I.T.H. while nothing like that happened in the film. How do I delete that part when "concensus" was reached?
Edited by AsherinkaopenMispelling and lack of context Film
Troper markband added a rather confusing Brought Down to Badass entry in Darth Vader's character section. It reads…
- Downplayed. Before he was critically injured on Mustafar, Vader had the potential to become the strongest Force-user in the galaxy. While in Legends his injuries hobbled his force potential and his strength in the force to were he was stated to only have about 80% of the strength the emperor had, in canon Vader never lost the raw power he had in the force but was unable to use it to it's fullest given the precarious situation of being reliant on machinery to keep himself alive. Basically, Vader couldn't use some force powers like force lightning because they would obviously endanger the cybernetics keeping him alive and he couldn't use his full power because of the stress tolerances of his bionics. The emporer even called Vader's power "unparalleled" in the Dark Lord of the sith comic.
I had to correct it to…
- Downplayed. Before he was critically injured on Mustafar, Vader had the potential to become the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy. Even after, he was still able to use his Force powers and remained an effective Hero Killer and symbol of fear.
openBorderline Edit War on Andrzej Sapkowski Literature
The trope section of Creator.Andrzej Sapkowski is in large parts dedicated to bashing the author for various grievances that seem mostly to revolve around the author's negative commentary resp. legal battles regarding various adaptations of his works, and the author supposedly generally being an avaricious hypocrite (source: TV Tropes).
While the entire page could certainly need a big clean-up, an almost-Edit War has lately ignited over the following example of Disowned Adaptation:
- The Hexer movie. Sapkowski euphemistically expressed his negative opinion about the film: "I can answer only with a single word, an obscene, albeit a short one". What he carefully "forgets" to mention nowadays is the big pile of money he so eagerly took for selling the rights for adaptation and then started slandering the production the moment he realized there will be no second tranche of money. While the film is a disaster, Sapkowski is doing his best over the years to pretend he didn't help make it in such form in the first place.
Recently troper Revolutionary_Jack removed the last sentence of the entry, with the, in my opinion very reasonable, edit reason that
The deletion was restored (with a slight expansion regarding the author's "messy and utterly pointless copyright battle") by Dratewka. I myself got then involved by cutting everything after Sapkowski's statement on the movie, on the grounds of it not actually belonging there in the first place.
Dratewka has again reverted the example, the only change being a further expansion in form of a lengthy note, the point of which seems to be the argument that the author is to be blamed for the movie being bad. Edit reason:
Courtesy link to the edit history
.
I'd be glad for other tropers or a mod to weigh in.
Edited by LordGroopenEdit War in Super Smash Bros. Videogame
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.SuperSmashBros&more=t
Here's a courtesy link.
The troper Dragon Ranger keeps changing the words that describe Dragon Quest's Hero away from noting the "characters" represented. Officially on Twitter, Sakurai does mention he uses specific designs for the characters, while Smash itself does not actually use anything but Hero. We however don't have a release of the character at all. Do note more than one person is involved.
Relevant links;
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.SuperSmashBros#edit23510343
Changed but gave an edit reason as to why by Dragon Ranger. This should've been brought to the Discussion however.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.SuperSmashBros#edit23352709
Changed without an edit reason at all by Senior Cornholio.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.SuperSmashBros#edit23275323
This was beforehand by Dragon Ranger, also with no edit reason. Meaning that he didn't think to actually take it to Discussion at any point. I do not know if he has edit warred before.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.SuperSmashBros#edit23271822
Edited to input the names, by Ause.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.SuperSmashBros#edit23270942
Dragon Ranger is the first one to put the line. Which makes some of this jarring. This is more protecting the article than actually making a proper attempt at discussion.
openThe Island Of Doctor Moreau RP Web Original
there is this dead roleplaying group on Gaia online called The Island Of Doctor Moreau (Io DM) that ran from August 2005 to June 2007.
The main idea behind the setting is a modern version of the classic H.G. Wells' story, though instead of animals being surgically altered into humans, people (usually unwilling victims) are brought or tricked onto the island and genetically altered through a series of injections over several months to become animal/human hybrids. The Dr. Moreau of the island is one Dr. Nicholas Moreau, a descendent of the Dr. Moreau of literary fame. And the only difference between the setting for the story and the real world, other than the existence of the island and the "science" on it, is that the classic book was never written. The island is fairly-sized but small enough to not be on most notations. It is about twenty miles across at the widest points. Most of it is covered by deep jungle, though areas have been clear-cut for the village (the collection of duplexes the subjects live in) and the labs (which are surrounded by a high-voltage electric fence. The labs are built into the side of a dormant volcano that is in the center of the island. Sandy beaches are on the west side of the island, a rockier ledge on the east. There is a network of caves within the island itself. There is also a freshwater river system through the island and a large lake near the village.
On the island itself, the whole system is highly monitored - think Big Brother. There are hidden cameras in all of the subjects' duplexes and all over the island. Each subject is inserted with a microchip in the back of their necks that tracks their location on the island and allows them to be "buzzed" unconscious in the event of a bad fight or in order to administer them their follow up injections. Even the staff of the island is not allowed communication off the island, and a couple of staff members have even been turned into subjects due to misbehavior. Thus far, there have been no successful escape attempts.
But, all in all, the subjects are usually treated well, despite the kidnapping and being turned into an animal-creature. They are each assigned a duplex and have free reign over the island (with the exception of the labs, which are sectioned off by an electric fence). There is a cafeteria, entertainment room with movies and video games, sunny beaches, and deep tropical jungles. However, more than one lab tech has a cruel streak (it takes a certain kind of person to be picked to work for the labs) and use the subjects for some less than ethical psychological tests.
I thought you could make a media page of it
link to the roleplay site
https://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/breedable-changing-pets/iodm-farewell-22537-changes-22561/t.9279157/
I set up a media page for you
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Roleplay/TheIslandOfDoctorMoreauRP
openNew page when another work has same name and media type
There are two wonderful webcomics both named White Noise. One
has been documented on here (and actually helpfully provides a link out to the other comic's site in it's description), but I'd like to know how to go about making a page for the other comic.
I've read a little bit about how it's best to make a disambiguation page (so that Webcomic/WhiteNoise
would then list both works), rename/move the older page to distinguish it (is author's last name the best identifier for webcomics?), and make a page for the other comic with the different identifier. What order should this be done in so I don't eff it up? How do you change all of the subpages as well? Can I somehow do this myself, or does a mod need to do the page move?
Also, there is already a disambiguation page for Main/WhiteNoise
- are there any concerns about works being present on more than one disambiguation page? (I assume not, but want to conform to conventions if possible.)
openI accidentally forgot to mark a spoiler Web Original
In my most recent edit for this page, I accidentally shared a spoiler in my reason for it. It was supposed to be marked, but I guess it slipped my mind. Could someone please fix this for me? I'd do it myself, but I don't know how.
openTroper with indentation issues
DKW001 has issues with indentation, even after a notifier was sent.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.Doonesbury#edit23312205
Here's the latest violation. Note that the entry itself seems to be natter too.
openRecreate "A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood"
Could I recreate the page for A Beautiful Day in the neighborhood? I could add more than three tropes. For example: edit: Sorry, finished the entry!
- Armor-Piercing Question: A lighter version than most. Lloyd asks Mr. Rogers, "Do you consider yourself a hero?"
- Audience Surrogate: Lloyd's wife tells him, "Please don't ruin my childhood."
- Friend to All Children: Mr. Rogers is good with kids. He beams when they sing to him on a train.
- Manly Tears: Lloyd eventually cries when talking with Mr. Rogers.
- Took a Level in Idealism: Lloyd comes to Mr. Rogers's studio cynically treating the interview like any job. By the end of the teaser trailer, the man's smiling and hugging Mr. Rogers with sincerity.
open Excessive (?) gushing Film
Awesome.Avengers Endgame features several paragraphs of gushing over the movie breaking every box office record and becoming the highest grossing movie ever. To wit:
- The film's box office performance has been nothing short of astounding:
- Most box office prognosticators were cautiously optimistic that it could break $300 million opening weekend in the US, which would handily break Infinity War's record of $257 million, in and of itself a staggeringly high amount of money. It completely obliterated everyone's expectations by making $357 million, $100 million more than its predecessor. Barring some ridiculous future inflation, it's hard to imagine a future movie breaking the box office record by a 9-figure sum.
- Endgame became the first movie ever to gross one billion (with a "B") dollars in its opening week! $1.2B to be exact, which is almost double what Infinity War did on its opening. This also makes it the second entertainment product to do so, outside of Grand Theft Auto V.note And of course, being a AAA video game which costs $60 rather than just the cost of a movie ticket, GTA V has a massive unfair advantage there. To put simply, it became the highest grossing movie of 2019 and the 18th-highest grossing movie of all time in four days, and it's even more impressive when one takes the film's heavy Continuity Lock-Out into account.
- As of its opening Sunday (28 April 2019), Endgame broke 144 records
.
- It became the highest grossing import movie in China ever in just a week. It hit $500 million there the Thursday after release, blowing past the original record holder The Fate of the Furious's $392 million total haul.
- After just 12 days into its worldwide release, Endgame not only surpassed $2 billion
(becoming the second comic book movie to do so), but also blew past Avengers: Infinity War, The Force Awakens, and James Cameron's Titanic to become the second-highest grossing movie of all time. In turn, this makes the MCU the first franchise to have two $2 billion grossing movies under their belt, unadjusted for inflation.note If you do adjust for inflation, then it's second only to Star Wars, but it's still impressive either way.
- Crossing over with Heartwarming, Cameron himself, a man infamous to MCU fans for his comments about "superhero fatigue", congratulated Marvel Studios
for surpassing Titanic:
@JimCameron: An Iceberg sank the real Titanic. It took the Avengers to sink my Titanic. Everyone here at Lightstorm Entertainment salutes your amazing achievement. You've shown that the movie industry is not only alive and well, it's bigger than ever!
- Crossing over with Heartwarming, Cameron himself, a man infamous to MCU fans for his comments about "superhero fatigue", congratulated Marvel Studios
- In 20 days, it grossed 2.5 billion. The only other film that achieved this was Avatar, and it took 72 days to get to that point.
- Then 89 days after release (July 20th, 2019), Endgame went above and beyond any other record it's broken prior to this point, and officially surpassed Avatar as the highest-grossing movie of all time.note worldwide, not adjusted for inflation, and the first sequel to do so. The last few weeks prior to this achievement were nail-biting, because even with the re-release in theaters it was clear that it'd be a photo finish either way... and yet it happened regardless. In fact, it happened with such perfect timing that Kevin Feige himself got to announce it during the Marvel panel at San Diego Comic Con. You'd swear it was pre-ordained from the heavens to work out this way.
- Once again, Cameron congratulates Marvel Studios for passing Avatar
:
@JimCameron: Oel Ngati Kameie, I see you Marvel. Congratulations to Avengers Endgame becoming the new box office king!
- Once again, Cameron congratulates Marvel Studios for passing Avatar
Do we really need all that info?
openWhy do changes I make not appear unless I am signed in? Print Comic
I can sign in and make changes, add tropes, etc., but those changes and the stuff I add are only visible to me when I sign in. Am I only writing for myself, or is there some sort of selection/review process that my changes have to undergo before they appear on the general, public website?
openCreator Killer
Shouldn't Creator Killer limited to the creator's works? The Laconic.Creator Killer say this.
The "or turn of events" was added in 2014.
I ask because this is recently added by SP Burke.
I were about to remove it on the ground that Creator Killer should be about work, but then noticed the laconic page.
Edited by KuruniopenFlynnbulwinter/darkelfwizard Literature
I have good to believe that a couple of "tropers" named Tropes/Flynnbulwinter and Tropers/darkelfwizard has been using the site as self-promotion for their indie fantasy book series,Anthologies of Ullord as Nikki Flynn and Edwin Dantes.
In the Ullord main work page, you could see in the edit history, that these people edited the pages themselves and putting elements in the trope pages.
They have not seem to stop, with them editing their own pages months ago. The Anthologies of Ullord are basic paint-by-numbers fantasy, which make this situation more odd. A troper suggested this to me after the High Crate "event."
I hope you would respond in kind,
S.V.

There seems to be an Edit War regarding the main quote for Avengers: Endgame but it primarily has to do with satisek repeatedly changing the main quote to "Part of the journey is the end." This happened four times already even after the tropers tried expanding Iron Man's initial quote.
The previous quote before the change is: "We lost. All of us. We lost friends. We lost family. We lost a part of ourselves. Today, we have a chance to take it all back. You know your teams, you know your missions. Get the stones. Get them back. One round trip each. No mistakes. No do-overs. Most of us are going somewhere we know. That doesn't mean we should know what to expect. Be careful. Look out for each other. This is the fight of our lives... and we're gonna win. Whatever it takes."
Which quote do you guys do you think best describe the movie itself? Personally, I like Captain America's quote much better.
Edited by Loekman3