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openCrosswicking question
My goal tonight is to expand and cross-wick The Cry of Mann, but I'm not sure where to put examples, section-wise. See, it's labeled a "series", which would imply Live-Action TV, but it broadcast on [adult swim]'s website with online interactivity, not on the TV itself, so would it go under Web Video? Web Original? Or do I follow the namespace, and use Live-Action TV?
openTrivia page for Fanfic/Citadel of the Heart needs working
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Trivia/CitadelOfTheHeart
I feel like this page needs massive editing to be more neutral, seems like the author himself wrote it.
P. S. : how does one determine the popularity of a fanfic anyway from its tropes page? I mean, Whatley Universe and Global Guardians PBEM are ubiquitous in Web Original, but from what I have researched, the former is rather obscure and the latter has mostly dropped off the face of the Internet (if it was ever popular in the first place, I think this page and a wiki is the only extensive evidence for its existence)
openRevert request Western Animation
Requesting a revert for Mao Mao: Heroes of Pure Heart. Powe Respect outright removed a few commented out examples with no reason, and I can't add them back myself at the moment.
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenIn-Universe or Not?
Is Awesome McCoolname an in-universe trope or not? I find it too subjective even compared to Unfortunate Names. I found this clean-up thread
from 2014 that suggests it's in-universe, but the clean-up project went nowhere and the page itself doesn't mention it being in-universe.
openPossible slut shaming and misogny
So uh this is weird. The troper Little Eagle wrote several kinda offensive diatribes on Ethical Slut
. These are there edits (What they wrote is bolded)
The concept of Ethical Slut is a gender neutral one: The idea that only women can be sluts is a Double Standard, Double Standard (except it would only be a double standard if men and women were the same in every way and women sluts were still reviled more than male sluts. Since men and women sex (semen in womb, penis in vagina) are differnt, it cannot be a Double Standard), and the idea that being a slut would be a bad thing reeks of moralism (except for the diseases, lack of self-respect, irresponsibility, lack of self-control, lack of commitment, and all those other important details that make up being a responsible, respectable member of society)
Of course, it would be easier to find a male character as Ethical Slut than a female, because DoubleStandard.Double Standard (actually it's because women get angry when female characters are ethical sluts since they find being sluts viewed favorably and perversion to be offensive. Like most people. Where as men mostly just don't care and don't get offended and enjoy a male character defending against abuse, as do female audiences.).
Isnt this whole moral diatribe that they wrote the exact opposite of what an Ethical Slut is . What they wrote is also kinda offensive with the whole men and woman are different argument using sexual organs as well as ironically enough being actual Slut-Shaming
Edited by miraculousopenShould SpongeBob Squarepants: Battle for Bikini Bottom Rehydrated get its own page?
Self-explanatory really but, since THQ Nordic announced an HD remake for SpongeBob SquarePants: Battle for Bikini Bottom a few days ago, should it get its own page like with Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy and Spyro Reignited Trilogy? It's been confirmed that the remake will feature cut content from the original game and the addition of online multiplayer modes.
openpaskalordi is a troll "editor"
paskalordi seems to be a troll who keeps changing What An Idiot to What a Fucking N-word. Not to mention his other edits. His edit history
. He even self-admitted to that on a 3 year old edit
.
openWall-Of-Text
I just cleaned up Victoria, a show I've never actually watched. That's important to explain, because in doing so I came across two wall-of-text examples, and I've no idea if it's possible to trim them a bit.
(I also posted on the series discussion page, but given how rarely people check those pages...)
Anyway, here are the examples:
- While a relationship-bordering-on-romance between 18/19-year old Victoria and near 60-year-old Lord M is enhanced a bit for TV (having a much-younger actor playing Lord M helps, historians generally regarded the relationship as father-daughter (Weintraub, Longford, Hibbert, Hough, Woodham-Smith, Plowden, Macdonald) and Victoria herself frequently refers to him as such. Historians also generally note the political motivation behind Lord Melbourne, who instigated both the Lady Flora affair and Bedchamber Crisis, insisting to Victoria even after Flora's bodily invasion she was pregnant (this is contrary to the TV show, which shows Melbourne as cautioning Victoria about her claims.) Although such May-December Romances are often frowned upon in the modern era, especially when celebrities are involved, in Victoria's time it was not uncommon for people with such wide ranges in age to marry. Indeed, several histories chronicle a mad dash by 50-something relations of George III and William IV to marry and have male children by, in some cases, very young women in order to secure their place in the line of succession when it became clear that there would be no direct male heir to the current monarch (with the Duke of Kent, Victoria's father, the winner). However, marriage between the Queen and a non-royal would have never been allowed in those days, making Victoria's attempted marriage proposal on Lord M unlikely to have succeeded (although the series did establish that Victoria was considering maintaining a non-married relationship, with unambiguous comparisons made to the unmarried Elizabeth I's relationship to the Earl of Leicester; the series also touched on why taking the attitude "I'm the monarch, I make the rules" was not realistic). A dissenter of the idea it was not a romance is Daily Mail journalist A.N. Wilson, though Elizabeth Longford is often misquoted as calling the relationship as a romance when in fact she called it "one of the great platonic love stories of history.' Whatever the case, Victoria would later write after Melbourne was no longer her PM, "1st October, 1842. Wrote & looked over & corrected my old journals, which do not now awake very pleasant feelings. The life I led then was so artificial & superficial, & yet I thought I was happy. Thank God! I now know what real happiness means."
- Beyond the usual amount of fictionalization and rearranging of events that is inevitable in any biographical production, of particular debate among some fans is the veracity of the romanticizing of the Lord Melbourne-Victoria relationship. In the series, the much-older Lord M clearly falls for the young queen, and Victoria becomes so dependent upon Lord M that she prevents a new government from being formed in order to get him back as Prime Minister and, later, travels to visit him alone at his family home with the intent to propose marriage. Academic scholarship (Wientraub, Longford, Hibbert, Hough, Woodham-Smith, Plowden, Macdonald)generally regard Victoria's relationship with Lord Melbourne as fatherly-daughter, as Victoria calls him in her diaries frequently. The Daily Mail journalist A.N. Wilson in his biography of Victoria (which the show is partly based on) claims Victoria and Lord Melbourne were more than father-daughter, but this is not the consensus among actual academicians. The fact it was for a time an Intergenerational Friendship, with Victoria's diaries continually referring to the two discussing personal interests and things as mundane as hairstyles and looking at paintings together, is not denied by anyone. Victoria's diaries after 1840 are available in almost complete form, and Charles Greville - who called Victoria's relationship with Victoria sexual - actively hated Victoria, who was distressed when his gossipy and often inaccurate diaries about her was released. Whatever the case, it is interesting to note her feelings only a couple years after marrying Albert: "The next day she (Victoria) pulled down some of her old diaries, perhaps to recall Lezhen’s part of her life, and came to a passage in 1839 where she had written of her ‘happiness’ with Melbourne. Now, with both Melbourne and Lezhen gone she noted ‘1st October, 1842. Wrote & looked over & corrected my old journals, which do not now awake very pleasant feelings. The life I led then was so artificial & superficial, & yet I thought I was happy. Thank God! I now know what real happiness means." (Uncrowned King: The Life of Prince Albert By Stanley Weintraub)
If you'd rather discuss at the discussion, at least this query served as a plug...
open My first trope question xd Anime
Is there a trope about when a character does a series of horrible things in order to make everyone hate him and then die so all the hatred dies with himself and the world can live happily ever after? I saw it in Naruto (done by Sasuke towards the end of the series) and Code Geass (By Lelouch)
openCharacter bashing
Troper youngt806 has many edits around The Walking Dead's Negan and other characters, snipping out any examples that are even remotely sympathetic and adding edits that bash him more. Regardless on how anyone feels about Negan or not, their edits are getting really complainy. This extends to other pages.
This
page has most of them, including edit reasons snarking at other tropers ("how op conveniently left out [...]"), deleting Antagonist in Mourning due to the interpretation(?) that his grief for Carl is selfish, changed Evil Counterpart for comparing Negan to Rick, has "How weird that everyone forgets that" to their edit on A Father to His Men, and finally, their latest edit reason reads "This whole rape apologist bullshit is really gross."
Here
they call Rick's decision to spare Negan "hypocritical", another unnecessary complaint, with the edit reason "dont get mad at me and send me angry messages just because you're ignoring canon evidence and things that have been confirmed by TPTB. maybe you shoukd move your opinions to a forum. don't be mad at me bc you want to ingore facts". Another null edit reason on the page reads "Unless there's a scene that i dont know about where Daryl swung Lucille at Glenn or held a gun to Negan's head and threatened to kill him ulness he killed Glenn, Negan is responsible for Glenn's death regardless of Daryl's actions. Killing Glenn was a complete overreaction to being punched especially because a) negan deserved to be punched [if negan is such a rational person as everyone claims he is he wouldve juat shrugged if off carried on with his business like he should've done] and b) Glenn wasn't the one to punch Negan . Negan made the decision to kill Glenn. The victim blaming in this fandom is unreal."
Here
, they have an edit reason reading "Maggie couldn't have seen the children where out of bed and could see what was going on. Plus, she was way too busy with what she was doing to see them. Maggie didnt stop when Michonne said stop when Michonne saw the children most likely because Maggie assumed that Michonne was (again) trying to stop her from getting justice (which is believable because Michonne did stop her from getting justice for Glenn). I think that it is interesting that you blame Maggie instead of none of the 20+ other people present at the time who could've seen the children more easily than Maggie. If Maggie wanted to let the children see she wouldn't have waited until night to do it. With her discussion with Rick she said "its time to put the children to bed".
Here
they edit an entry with the very snarky edit reason "fixed it for you."
Here
they add in "Don't believe me? Watch the episode" into their edit. They also pull a This Troper complaining about people blaming Darryl.
openDispute on Purple Epithet TLP
To the mods — I don't want to take up too much more time arguing on this page
myself. I'm not sure I quite understand the issue Lord Gro is bringing up (he's saying that "epithet" doesn't mean what we think it does, but as far as I know, and based on the dictionary definition he posted, it can just mean the use of a descriptive term in place of a character's name), but he's the only person who has a problem with the name. I'm not quite sure we can please him, but various others have said they like the current name and it does have a healthy number of hats. How should this be handled?
open Issues re: Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) Film
1. Dolph Z has a severe hang-up about the MonsterVerse version of King Ghidorah. They keep trying to insist that he's not pure evil, despite evidence suggesting he is in both the film and its novelization. I called them out on it over PMs and their latest justification is that Ghidorah isn't listed under Complete Monster yet. (Who wants to tell them how the appeals process for Complete Monster entries works?) Given that this is not only causing a prolonged Edit War but also shows signs of Single-Issue Wonk, I'm curious to know how best to address the problem.
2. Daethalion has added two main page entries to the film's YMMV page. I've moved them both, and plan to address the user myself, but I want to leave this here just in case things aren't cleared up quickly.
Edited by MinisterOfSinisteropenRecent Launches
I'm... not really sure what's going on here. A Family Affair is no longer on the recent launches list, despite...well, still being launched. Science Is Good just launched, but the page claims it's a cut article and the page itself is locked. This leaves One-Track-Minded Artist, which launched before both of these, now being claimed as the wiki's newest trope.
For that matter, everything launched by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93, launcher of A Family Affair is gone from the launch list.
This a glitch? Or am I just missing something?
openCharacter Page Vandalism Western Animation
axwi07 made deletions to Voltron: Legendary Defender - Team Voltron, likely motivated by shipping. Notably removing any entries referring to Shiro and Keith's relationship as platonic or to the fact that Shiro ended up with someone else (I have my own various thoughts about those two relationships but regardless, what's official is what's official; canon doesn't care about quality or subtext and trope pages are not the place to share your personal criticisms). The most generous one I can give them is the decision to leave off Heterosexual Life-Partners given that Shiro is not heterosexual, but the trope itself points out that it doesn't care about such things.
I could easily revert it myself but I think a proper warning is worth having given the fact that we've had other shipping-based vandalism for this work in the recent past. Let them report to their fellow shipper brethren that this kind of behavior is not to be tolerated.
Edited by AlleyOopopenIs Animorphism voluntary or not?
rjd1922 removed an Animorphism wick from The Princess And The Frog saying "Animorphism must be voluntary". And indeed, that's what it says on the laconic page. But the page itself has a section for both voluntary and involuntary examples.
So, is it required for the trope to be voluntary or not?
open No Title
Troper XFllo left (commented out) discussion in the main body of the Call the Midwife character page
instead of bringing these examples up in discussion. I've never seen this done before and can't imagine it's allowed. Can we please get a revert? I'm willing to discuss their points on the discussion page but adding them into the main page itself seems..... wrong.
openDark Fic
The description to Dark Fic contains the lines "If the series was already dramatic and dark, it shouldn't really be here (e.g. it's impossible to make a dark fic of The Walking Dead unless you really take it to another level)." So, what's the criteria for this? For example, these examples from the Main page are from already dark series:
- Death Note:
- Death Note isn't exactly a cheerful story to begin with, but The Faceless explores the Fridge Horror of having a realm of Death Gods feeding off human lifespans all the time and what happens when humans learn this. They begin killing each other because of it, resulting in a Post Apocalyptic World of Nihilism.
- A Madman's Circus
is a Death Note Fusion Fic with Vocoloid's Dark Woods Circus where Beyond Birthday runs a Circus of Fear. Poor, poor Light Yagami...
- Neon Genesis Evangelion fandom might be collectively the crowning champion of this trope. The series was the poster boy for darkness to begin with, but amongst fans known for analysing everything down to the smallest detail the ability to tease out the smallest aspect and expand upon every twisted meaning or interpretation is phenomenal. A far from comprehensive list:
- Random1377
is another prolific NGE darkfic author, with entries such as The Lifespan of a Love Affair
(a deconstruction of the Misato/Shinji pairing), Let She Who is Without Sin
(about a Serial Killer), and Aoi
(includes Shinji being killed in the first chapter, and falls apart from there).
- Scar Tissue is also a good one: Asuka blames her scars and death in canon on Shinji and punishes him by subjecting him to constant emotional, physical and sexual torture, and Shinji takes it all because he thinks he deserves it after defiling her and leaving her die right before ending humanity. Meanwhile Shinji's low self-esteem and self-hatred has become a split personality tortures him in the form of hallucinations. And that's only the backstory; the fic itself begins after Asuka beating him so brutally that he has to be taken to the hospital and she finally realizes her actions have been horrible. On the other hand, the fic inverts the usual darkfic formula in that it starts off dark and gets progressively lighter.
- Random1377
openHow to Edit this Entry?
- A Harry Potter fanfic called The Ones You Never Expect
starts off with Colin Creevey being revealed to have faked his death in the final battle. He then meets up with his brother to report to Dedalus Diggle. All three report to Crookshanks. Who reports to "The Queen": Hedwig. As it turns out: The war wasn't between Voldemort and Dumbledore; it was between Nagini and Fawkes. And Hedwig has been waiting on the sidelines, faking her death, until the two sides butchered each other so that she could take over the world in the aftermath."
I'm going to spoiler the Hedwig part, because that itself is supposed to be a spoiler in story, but what about the Colin? Should I Spoiler Hide Colin's deaths. Asking, because this fanfic does require you to know that Colin died in canon.
Edited by DayBreakChannel

It's about the character itself not being directly that person. It's not an impersonator or ghost, but something like a disembodied will or consciousness. Which one is it?