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openEdit War on The Dragon Prince Western Animation
There is a potential edit war brewing on The Dragon Prince YMMV page.
Antidragon has added these two points: Strawman Has a Point:
- In Season 2 Episode 7, Soren fires a ballista at the dragon preforming fly-bys on a local village, and later accepts that the resulting damage was his own fault for provoking it. Yet the humans had no idea what the dragon's objectives or motivations were, and the dragon itself had made no attempt to communicate with them (Even if it couldn't speak, as an intelligent species it could have at least tried). Knowing nothing of the dragon's intent, Soren had good reason to fear that the town-destroying juggernaut could change it's mind at any moment.
- Furthermore, said ballistas prove to be too inaccurate to hit the dragon; the town offered no threat to it whatsoever and nothing was preventing it from simply flying away. It's subsiqent attack seemed more a matter of spite than legitimate self defense, yet Soren still accepts the blame for the resulting damage.
- In Season 2 Episode 7, Soren fires a ballista at the dragon preforming fly-bys on a local village, and later accepts that the resulting damage was his own fault for provoking it. Yet the humans had no idea what the dragon's objectives or motivations were, and the dragon itself had made no attempt to communicate with them (Even if it couldn't speak, as an intelligent species it could have at least tried). Knowing nothing of the dragon's intent, Soren had good reason to fear that the town-destroying juggernaut could change it's mind at any moment.
- When Soren provokes the Dragon in S2 E7 by firing a ballista at it, said ballista proves to be no threat to the beast and nothing was preventing it from flying away. When it subsequently sets the town on fire, the show (and even Soren himself) treat the resulting havoc as his own fault, even though said dragon was apparently acting out of spite rather than self defense.
They were removed by Mr. Death and then Antidragon added them back.
openI Might Have Accidentally an Edit War Videogame
A user did an edit on Characters.Dead By Daylight, changing a descriptor if Ash J Williams from "An alone wolf" to "a lone wolf". This happened once before with the person adding back noting that "an alone wolf" is deliberate as it's a quote/reference to the series.
I did likewise, putting the descriptor back, but realized after I might have become edit 4 in an edit war since there was already one "remove and put back" sequence.
I think this falls under correcting incorrect information, but to be on the safe side I PMed the user who did the removing (who since replied they'd forgotten that from the show), added a commented out note explaining it's deliberate to prevent future well intentioned correcting, and posting here to head off any issues I myself might have caused.
Edited by sgamer82openLink to NSFW work
Our Centaurs Are Different has an example from a self-described NSFW game to which someone added a link. The former is fine, the latter isn't, right?
openEmerald141
So first thing is first: Homestuck has an epilogue now: The Homestuck Epilogues. It's important to note that these are official.
Well, Emerald141 added some really salty entries on the YMMV page, including an entry for Canon Defilement and an entry for Broken Base. I clipped off the salt, but they readded the Canon Defilement entry with this reasoning:
"My sense of betrayal is real and valid, and shared by a significant portion of the fandom. I am aware that this feeling is hardly shared by everyone; that's why it's YMMV. Please do not trivialize my emotions or the emotions of everyone else who was wounded by the epilogues. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to work through my frustration in a way that keeps myself safe."
I probably should have mentioned in my deletion the Canon Defilement is only for fan works (I mean, it's stylized like a Fan Fic, but it is official and was written by the original author), but still.
Edit: They also readded entry under CharacterDerailment.Webcomics that I deleted with the reasoning that the changes do have some justification. They readded it with the explanation:
"I am aware that there is an explanation given in-universe. I, and many others, do not believe that this explanation is appropriate or satisfactory, and it felt like a betrayal and a punch to the gut. This is a YMMV item, which means that if a significant portion of the fanbase feels the same way, it can be added. Please do not trivialize my feelings or the feelings of everyone else who feels the same."
Edited by SatoshiBakuraopenIndentation example I need clarification for Videogame
This is for the Dissidia Opera Omnia page and to also be wary of any indentation issues I've come across that lead to my suspension.
So far, I've planned to do a portion on Thancred's Folder for the character pages of DFFOO in this format:
- Charge Meter: Thancred's new mechanic via his EX Ability's passive which nods to how ninjas work back in FFXIV as a Mythology Gag. A scroll icon with a number above his head (and above any buffs placed on him) will indicate how much "Ninki" (lit. Stealth Qi/Ki) he has left. The following actions below described interact with the number like so:
- Using his normal BRV Attack or HP Attack when under 3 stacks will raise his Ninki counter up to 1, while using either Jugulating Wasp or Shadow Fang will grant 2 stacks instead.
- If up to 3 stacks, his BRV Attack will be enhanced by his Ninki, where it deals higher damage to poisoned targets, has high chance of a 4 turn poison infliction on the target, and allows his next skill usage to be zero cost on his next turn. However, using it will consume the Ninki amount by 3.
- His EX Ability also turns into a plus version of itself where it can overflow up to 200% Max BRV instead of the normal 120% when at 3 Ninki stacks or higher, but will also consume 3 Ninki likewise when used.
Is this formatting plausible? I might replace the Charge Meter trope part with something else if I can find a better substitute.
Edited by SneaselSawashiroopenRude Edit Reasons on Clueless Aesop
Tropers.Doctor_Doom (No idea how to properly format the underscore here) edited Clueless Aesop to an example wholesale
for a rather iffy reason. Basically, the example mentioned Watchmen once, and this prompted the troper in question to not only delete the entry (focusing entirely on the one mention of Watchmen), but also add the statement "With a little bit of knowledge, it's easy to see there is no relation", which comes across as a jab at the previous editor, implying that they lack the knowledge.
This is, in fact, not the first time they did this, as they did it to myself almost a year ago
, removing another entry related to comic books with a lengthy edit reason that includes "The entry also had the pointless and uninformed assertion that the comic was about real life, which didn't work, but its themes worked in context. Due again to the slant of industry commentary, it's clear to anyone that only that part is what's intended. Projecting an imaginary relation with real life doesn't change that. The writer had clearly read *about* KC rather than actually reading it, which would explain the falsities here. Section has been removed."
I took the matter to the Discussion page at the time, and they apologized for their actions. But here we are, now.
Edited by KingZealopenRandom quote changes, deletions, etc
Troper GG Crono has... some questionable edits. Note that none of these edits provided any edit reasoning:
- On LOL, 69, they removed The Stinger and changed the page quote (which I already brought up on the Quote thread for fixing purposes).
- On Framing Device, they edited the self-demonstrating bit at the top solely to remove the word "damn".
- They changed another page quote, this one on Bob Chipman.
- They deleted something about "The Crapshoot" from LoadingReadyLive.
- Another page quote change, this time on Guilty Gear.
Mind, this is only looking at the first ten or so edits in their history. The theme I'm getting is random, un-discussed changes to articles to the point of outright removals of things they don't like with no explanations given. I'll send a notifier about leaving edit reasons, but their edits go back to 2016, and they were doing it then, too.
(Edit: Kinda thought that linking directly to their edit would, well, show their edit. Apparently not. To find it like I did, I just clicked to see all edits and then Ctrl+F'd their name.)
Edited by WarJay77openMutually exclusive tropes Film
The MCU: Spider-Man page features both Adaptational Early Appearance and Adaptational Late Appearance. I think that having two tropes with diametrically opposite meanings might confuse readers but troper Anicomicgeek disagrees. Instead of starting an Edit War, I thought of bringing the discussion here and show you what's happening.
- Adaptational Early Appearance: His relationship with Tony Stark. In the comics, Peter was more-or-less self-taught and figured things out his own way, but eventually gained Tony Stark as a mentor when he took a job at his company, but here, Tony begins mentoring Peter when he's still new to things. Notably, Tony gave Peter the job in the comics as a cover because Peter had moved in with the Avengers alongside his wife, Mary Jane Watson, and they needed to excuse why the Parkers were living there. This Peter is still too young to get married and is still living with Aunt May. While Tony Stark was actually introduced in the comics after Peter Parker, Stark can be seen as a stand-in for Reed Richards, who Parker originally looked up to.
- Adaptational Late Appearance: Despite the Adaptational Early Appearance with his relationship with Tony, Peter himself is this, as this Peter lived in a world where the Avengers existed for years before he became Spider-Man and idolized Iron Man. His comic counterpart actually predates Tony becoming Iron Man and by extension the founding of the Avengers themselves.
As you can see, both tropes inform about different points about Spider-Man's history, but I don't think it's a good idea to feature them both at the same time. What do you think?
openWeird trope entry Film
Pokémon Detective Pikachu has a strange, semi-gushy entry on Revisiting the Roots that doesn't seem to fit any of the various cleanup threads, so I brought it here. It reads like it was written by someone dissatisfied with current Pokemon games or someone attempting to justify everything dark in the trailers with evidence from various Pokemon media, while the Detective Pikachu game itself doesn't really have any of that, and Pokemon media after Gen 1 have had those things even though in the franchise as a whole they're uncommon (Team Galactic killed a Clefairy and presumably a bunch of Magikarp, Ghetsis as mentioned tries to attack you directly, a couple Sun and Moon anime episodes were all about people and Pokemon that died, etc.).
"* Revisiting the Roots: The trailers may look out of place with the tone of the main-series games, but they're not too far removed from the anime, manga and games of the original generation, which feature gunsnote An episode of the anime involved the Safari Zone warden utilizing guns heavily, including holding Ash at gunpoint and shooting at Team Rocket, which led to 4Kids skipping over it entirely, profanitynote it's always been in the anime's Japanese dub, realistic violence in Pokémon battlesnote an infamous scene in the manga involves Blue's Charmeleon slicing an Arbok in half and disemboweling it, deathnote besides the aforementioned Arbok, the Lavender Town mission in the Kanto games involves a Mercy Kill on the spirit of a Marowak killed by Team Rocket, and villains using Pokémon to directly attack humans and human citiesnote unlike Mewtwo's destruction of his lab and the siege of Saffron City, non-Pokémon battle violence in the games is either offscreen or unanimated (with some major exceptions, like Ghetsis in Pokémon Black 2 and White 2)."
Any ideas as to what to do with it?
Edited by lalalei2001openNeed advice on an index
Not Used to Freedom was launched recently, but it's not indexed. In the TLP thread
, the OP didn't address the matter, so I can't add it to the approved index(es) myself.
Thoughts? Or index suggestions?
openFat Shaming? Western Animation
The Great Hydra has written four entries for the Amythst/Steven fusion all relvoling around fat tropes which wouldn't be a big deal if those entries weren't written so insulting. I deleted their first three entries only for thirty minutes later, they put another entry (a zero context one too might I add) without even noticing my edit reason for pulling the first three. I don't want to jump to conclusions but I do feel like they might be trolling at least this page. These are their entries.
- Fat Bastard: Their first act upon being born is to beat the living crap out of Jasper, who admittedly deserved it, but the amount of perverse glee they take in doing it cements them into this trope.
- Fat Idiot: The combined intelligence of Steven Universe and Amethyst stuffed into a body three times their width that could be mistaken for a giant milk dud. Need we say more?
- You Are Fat: As part of their self given The Reason You Suck speech in "Know Your Fusion".
- Fat Slob: Natch.
openLighter and Softer
Its laconic page say "An adaptation which is much lighter in tone than its source material." which sound like the trope is exclusively about adaption. But the trope page itself say that "This can either happen to a show over time[...]" which suggest that it can happen in single work.
So which one is right? If it's indeed adaption-exclusive trope, then I'm afraid that we have massive clean up task waiting.
openAnother Indentation Confirmation
Once again, I need another Indentation clarification via the Opera Omnia page. This time I'll be using both Ace and Noctis' folders:
Example on Noctis' folder:
- Evolving Attack: Death Drop (Shift Raid in Japanese) turns into Warp Strike (Shift Break in Japanese) if he has his 35CP passive equipped. On top of that, his abilities turn into plus versions if he hits a broken enemy and/or breaks an enemy with a single ability cast.
- Also doubles with his eventual rework, where he'll use a version of his Death Drop/Warp Strike as a followup during enhanced versions of his HP Attack and Shooting Star, even for the Death Drop/Warp Strike itself where the animation is mainly him doing the ability twice in a row. This only occurs if the target he strikes has the unique-framed-debuff "Point-Blank-Warp" landed on them.
Example on Ace's folder:
- Cards of Power: In addition to using them as physical weapons, Ace uses cards to empower himself, shown as floating cards above his head. Once he reaches three cards, his attacks evolve and become much more powerful, akin to his gimmick in NT. However, outside of his extend passives and later quality of life patch buffs, his cards will disappear whenever he uses up any Mega ability, making him need to set them up again.
- A recent quality of life upon his awakening has allowed each card stack to give him a 5%/10%/20% max BRV increase (along with hitting a broken target or breaking a target's BRV will keep his card stacks at max while depleting one card instead of all 3 at once), while his reworked Level 70 version gives him a unique framed buff called "Ruburm's Trump Card" (Suzaku no Kirifuda/Vermilion Sparrow's Trump Card in Japanese) that gives even more benefits to himself (increased Max BRV + Attack that stacks with other buffs) and his abilities.
Are these examples correct use of indentation, or do they need fixing? If they need fixing, please tell me the best way to do so before I go to appeal my suspension.
openCharacter Page for VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Videogame
The character page for Fire Emblem Heroes has mostly characters from the game itself but a few characters from the games before it. My question is, and I asked this in the Discussion tab a few months ago but nobody responded, would it be smarter to just make character pages for the different playable characters based on their home game? We do that to an extent for games like Heroes of the Storm and Fate/Grand Order where they have characters from existing works given a character page, but not Fire Emblem Heroes.
openCreator / Work Page Confusion Web Original
The page WebVideo.Loading Ready Live currently acts as a collective works page for the shows that LoadingReadyRun streams on their Twitch channel. The problem is that "LoadingReadyLive" is no longer the name of their Twitch channel, and it hasn't been for quite some time, it's now the name of a specific show.
So what should be done with this page? I see two possible options:
- Rename the page "LoadingReadyRun Streams" and leave everything else the same.
- Overhaul the page to focus exclusively on the "LoadingReadyLIVE" show and move everything else over to WebVideo.Loading Ready Run.
There's also the issue that "LoadingReadyRun" is both the name of the group itself and also the name of their (pre-recorded) comedy sketches. Should we have WebVideo.Loading Ready Run focus just on the sketches and move everything else over to Creator.Loading Ready Run? Or should we make WebVideo.Loading Ready Run Sketches? Or is this one not that big of a deal?
openProcedure to get unsourced trivia removed?
I found a trivia entry on a trivia page that I can't find a source for and I think is likely false. My question is, is there a procedure one can follow to get trivia entries removed? I'd remove it myself, but someone else added it and I don't want to start an edit war.
openFlim-Flam's Scrappy Status Western Animation
The Scooby-Doo character named Flim-Flam had a Scrappy status that was worse than the trope namer himself. Why did people hate him?

On the page for Baldi's Basics in Education and Learning, the very first trope, Abusive Parents, is from a fangame rather than the game itself. I understand if whoever added it can't think of enough tropes from the fangame to give it its own page, but this feels wrong. What should we do?