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openSpoiler question
What's the proper protocol again for fixing an example that's entirely spoiler-ed out? I'm doing some page cleanups and have come across The Cinema Snob Movie, which is rife with spoilers. Having never seen it, I can't do anything to rewrite the examples myself, and I'm pretty sure commenting out examples is for Zero Context Examples only, so what's the correct course of action?
Note that until I get an answer I'll leave it as is (in terms of spoilers anyway), to avoid creating any problems, and just focus on fixing what I do know how to fix.
openTLP draft ninja launched
My trope Usurping Santa was just ninja launched by another user. It was probably ready to launch anyway, and I wouldn't have had a problem with it, were it not for the fact that on the draft's discussion
, I explicitly asked for help, and nobody stepped in to answer my question before that person just launched it themself without any explanation.
openBanned user bornofself is back. Again. Music
Oriental 1 is, judging by their edit history, bornofself's latest mantle. Didn't bother sending a message, but it doesn't matter because they're not supposed to be here but still somehow don't know when to quit.
openWhat Next? Film
Is there an option on the T Vtropes site where you can view progressive tropes? Say I'm looking at the trope of "You said you'd let her go!" Trope, and I wanted to see possible trope outcomes that can come about to resolve the trope.
I'm plotting a scene similar to the "You Said you'd let her go!" trope, but I wrote myself in a corner on how to get out of it. I don't know the names of the tropes that would be good outcomes. Is there a section of the trope's page of trope outcomes to select and look up?
openWhich Index?
What would Absolutely Rose Street go under: Advertising, Series, or Film? It's a 30-minute infomercial that passes itself off as a tv show. I'm not sure where it goes.
On that note, do promotional videos go under Advertising or Film? A Sneak Peek At Pokemon is under Film.
openAlex Rider characters split
A couple weeks ago, someone started splitting Characters.Alex Rider into subpages, but they never actually finished, so most of the content is just… gone.
I would fix it myself, but I haven't finished the series yet and don't want to get spoiled.
openDisagreement/Slight Edit War over DesignatedHero Live Action TV
So Troper Desert Dragon put up a Designated Hero entry on the YMMV page of Marvel'´s runaways. I deleted it because I don't really think that applies. Not just because of my own opinion (what he thinks), but because pretty much every Runaway in that season has done their own share of morally ambiguous things that the rest of the group disagreed with (heck, Nico even killed several people) and is called out in-universe, respectively. Alex is not singled out as in any way particularly bad.
The troper however put it back up. How should we proceed?
(Ironically, a similar topic was started over myself recently^^)
Edited by ForenperseropenA detail about the Comics Code...
The page for Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse has a recent edit about the Comics Code Authority, adding that among things that it wouldn't have authorized is "having a non-white hero protagonist".
Now, I don't know all the intricacies, and I don't doubt that would be against publishers' habits at the time the Code was applied, but I have serious doubts it was actually part of said Code itself. At least I don't find anything about it on the Wikipedia article
. I'd like some clarification about this.
openSpoilers on Fan-Fic pages
Damn it, why aren't Fanfictions a category here?
Anyways, should the pages for fanfictions spoiler-tag spoilers for the original work when they don't concern the fanfic itself?
openDisgust Tropes possibly needs editing.
The intro clearly states that it's about the emotion itself and not tropes that evoke the emotion, but tropes are added to it such as Nature Tinkling and Vomit Indiscretion Shot.
open Balancing tropes
Here's something that's been confusing me for a while. Okay, so I don't know what's the best way to properly ask this, but I'll give it a shot: Is it true that Broken Ace should be used instead of The Ace, rather than in addition to? I'd ask the same thing about Jerk with a Heart of Gold instead of Jerkass, Genius Ditz instead of The Ditz, etc.
I'm pretty sure I've seen this question asked before, but I can't remember what the answer was. Does it really depend on the character? For example, the character page for Squidward from SpongeBob uses both the Jerkass and Jerk with a Heart of Gold tropes, which really confuses me because how kindhearted he is depends on the writer (he is by default a cynical, pessimistic, narcissistic grouch but has shown himself able to warm up to others and the title character on numerous occasions, but only if the plot demands it).
This is overall confusing and I can't seem to find a rule about this in administrivia pages whatsoever. :/
open Blood bath scene Anime
Im not even sure if it was an anime or just cartoon, i know it was animated, but there was a specific scene where this woman was bathing and she was old, and she started getting younger from the bath that was filled with blood, i think later on she withered away after not being able to bath, but she washed herself in blood and had a butler i think
openListable examples of Self-Imposed Challenge Videogame
So when it comes to things like Game Mod, Let's Play, and the various types of fanfic, we don't trope audience responses on a work's main page.
So for Self-Imposed Challenge, what kind of examples would be valid to list on a main page? Because I'm seeing stuff like "have you tried winning under various arbitrary restrictions" on Fortnite, or "some players try beating the Bonus Boss while affected by a glitch that speeds up the game" on Deltarune.
openComicBook/ to Characters/ cleanup Print Comic
As has been discussed many times here and on the forums, there are several character pages for the DC and Marvel universes masquerading as work pages in the Comic Book/ (or occasionally Self-Demonstrating/) namespace. Before I take this into the forums (most likely Short Term Projects), I'd like to address a few points from the last discussion and see if anyone has any major objections.
The last discussion was here
.
My official proposal is:
Change the ComicBook/ pages for characters without a series into Characters/ pages or entries on a Characters/ folder. If the character has a series, the page can remain, but it has to be about the series, not the character.
To give a few examples:
- ComicBook.Booster Gold becomes a page for his series, with his character tropes moved to Characters.Justice League International (currently a redirect to a Justice League of America subpage at the stupidly-long name of Justice League of America: Justice League International)
- Cyclops has had only a handful of title appearances: Two one-shots, a miniseries, and a solo series that we already trope at Cyclops (2014). Nothing particularly important happens in the one-shots or miniseries and every trope present is about the character and not the series, so the page can be moved outright to Characters.X Men Cyclops (with the stuff that doesn't belong on a Characters page removed.)
- The several pages for Batman villains become part of the Batman character index under Characters.Batman Rogues Gallery.
- In the interest of concision and not appearing overly unwieldy, those that get entire pages to themselves would be named something like Characters.DCU The Joker or Characters.Batman The Joker instead of some long name such as Characters.Batman Rogues Gallery The Joker.
Characters can only have one "primary" character entry, to avoid splitting their tropes across multiple pages.
- Example: Cassie Lang is a member of the Young Avengers and The Avengers, was a major character in Astonishing Ant-Man, and made a few supporting appearances in other comics. Her character tropes would go on Characters.Young Avengers, with the character pages for Avengers: 2000s Members and Astonishing Ant-Man (should it ever exist) linking there.
For Characters/ pages for specific series, the main characters can have separate entries for their appearances in only that series, but established side characters and cameos from the existing universe shouldn't have their own entries unless they have significant focus or Character Development.
- Example: Robin Series's main character is Tim/Robin, so he can have a unique entry for his characterization in only that series, separate from his entry on Characters.Robin.
If there are related series starring the same character under multiple titles and we are unwilling/unable to use either title, the ComicBook/ page can be named after the character.
This is just making what we already do official. I'm only mentioning this because of the complaints about ComicBook.Carol Danvers, which is that page's name because ComicBook.Ms Marvel and ComicBook.Captain Marvel (redirects to Main/) are both disambiguation pages and disambiguating by year would cause confusion.
Character tropes still have to move, however.
Establish pages/indexes at Characters.Marvel Villains and Characters.DCU Villains. This is a solution for the Rogues' Gallery Transplant problem, as well as introducing a place to put "universe-wide" villains such as Superboy-Prime, M.O.D.O.K., or Thanos.
openStranged By the Red String, HTTYD: Hidden World Film
"Not only is applying this to a couple of animals weird on itself but a solid third of the movie is dedicated to the courtship. If you don't like it, put it in broken base, but this does not fit SBTRS"
So I added this example because, while the movie's about Toothless and the Light fury, it's not about their courtship; they have one scene dedicated to their courtship. They pretty much fall in love at first sight, have their four minute "first date", and the rest of the movie is about their relationship taking precedence over literally every other character, relationship, priority, and theme HTTYD has ever presented to us. Thoughts?
Edited by SpacecoyoteopenSpoiler issue on VideoGame.KingdomHearts3 Videogame
Yesterday, I removed the spoiler markup from the All White Entries on VideoGame.Kingdom Hearts 3. Tropers.Ashlay whited-out a massive chunk of a sub-example with the following edit reason:
"most people haven't seen or played X, this needs context. and spoiler tags."
Here is the sub-entry in question:
- The epilogue has Xigbar revealed to be Luxu, the original owner of Master Xehanort's keyblade. He then summons four of his fellow seven Foretellers, ancient Keyblade wielders associated with The Seven Deadly Sins whose actions brought about the first Keyblade War that literally ripped the worlds apart into what they are today, minus Ava (Greed) and their master (Pride). And, as Maleficent and Pete watch from afar, Luxu begins filling his cohorts in on what's been going on in the ages they've been away and what the plan is from here on. Finally, the game pulls out to the Framing Device, as a Young Eraqus and Xehanort start a new chess game representing the future conflict of the Seven Foretellers vs Sora.
From what I can tell, it violates Administrivia.Self Fulfilling Spoiler since it hides so much of the text. Is this level of markup kosher?
I have sent them a notifier regarding spoilers, but they have yet to respond. I'm asking here, too, to avoid an Edit War.
openBroken Aesop edit war
BrokenAesop.Western Animation:
- The season three finale, "Magical Mystery Cure", the Cutie Marks of all the Mane Cast are switched, which drives them to want to pursue the wrong special talents, and Twilight has to find a way to fix it. This episode ends with the message that you can only be happy by choosing your own destiny, but this contradicts everything the story has established about destiny itself:
- Cutie Marks in general. Ponies gain their cutie marks when they discover their special talents, but they have no control over what those talents actually are. When they attempt a special talent that isn't dictated by their Cutie Mark, either because they've misinterpreted what their Mark actually means or because they're actively going against it, they fail catastrophically, which means there isn't any choice in a pony's destiny. It's implied that the Cutie Mark Crusaders were able to influence the appearance of their Cutie Marks through hard work and dedication, but "discovering the special talents of those who haven't had their Cutie Marks appear" is still the only thing they've been able to successfully, since everything they've done has been an attempt to do exactly that. Season Five even begins with a villain who uses magic to obscure her victims' Cutie Marks and has them do other jobs, which makes them miserable. If it really were a matter of choice, then Cutie Marks wouldn't be such a big deal.
- Celestia's choice in making Twilight her student, and everything that came afterward, was based on Celestia's knowledge of the meaning of Twilight's Cutie Mark. Everything about her progress was actually foreordained and Celestia tailored her lessons to fit that destiny, not the other way around, including the part where Celestia changed her into an Alicorn without actually asking her if she'd be comfortable with that, which means that Twilight's choices didn't matter because she was obeying Celestia's lessons. Twilight is still happy with it, so clearly having someone decide your destiny for you can't be all that bad.
- This also brings the other Mane Six's choices of destiny into question by extension: for all the hard work they do, they gain a lot of success in their more mundane careers through being carriers of the Elements of Harmony, which they didn't choose, and for some of them, their choice of destiny would be impossible without social and family connections that they lucked into by birth or Twilight Sparkle herself. You may not be happy if you let someone else decide your destiny, but aspects of your future are beyond your control, so you better make the right friends so they'll control those aspects in your favor.
This exact entry was deleted twice before since that's debated if it's the actual Aesop
. And it's a Wall of Text, a red flag. Cut? I asked Is this an example?
but it's been ignored.
If I don't hear back, I'll just condense it down.
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenIsn't the Splatoon series a case of Gray and Gray Morality? Videogame
I thought about the Splatoon series and one thing came to mind: On one side, you have the selfish Inklings who only care about style and sports while the Octolings are destructive and militarized. Because of the these two sides, isn't this case of Gray and Gray Morality?
openShould "motion comics" really be lumped under Limited Animation?
Title is self-explanatory: currently, Sequential Art directs anybody looking for motion comics to Limited Animation, where they are (briefly) discussed under the Comic Books folder, but I feel like that's lumping two largely separate phenomena together.

So on the Beauty and the Beast (2017) page, almost two years back, I added a Hype Backlash to the page and it seemed like it followed the basic qualifications to be added there. This is what it used to say:
Hype Backlash: When it was revealed that Disney would be releasing a live-action adaptation of the 1991 film, many people were very happy since that version was done so well. After it was released, while many people regard it a good film, some beg to differ and question why it was remade to begin with given how slavishly faithful it is. This overlaps with fatigue with Disney's recent trend of releasing at least one live-action adaptation of an animated canon film every year, or alternatively a belated sequel as in the case of Mary Poppins Returns in 2018. Even some people who enjoy it still feel it's not as good as the original, and/or unfavorably compare it to the company's previous two adaptations in this vein, which took more liberties with their material. It's largely a matter of personal taste and what one thinks of the changes made to the animated versions' storylines, tones, etc.
It was even kept when the site decided to redefine the trope altogether and when the trope was being removed for numerous YMMV pages for not meeting the new criteria. I look at the page's history now and I found the example removed, citing that it doesn't meet the current criteria, quote About fans or critics praising it such audiences don't think it measures up. Not just disappointment.
Honestly, as this point can we just get a vote to remove Hype Backlash altogether? It seems that every few months we keep redefining what a YMMV trope is supposed to mean and if said trope can remain on the page for more nearly two years only to be deleted randomly even after redefining it, what's the point of even keeping it? This wouldn't even be that much of a deal for me if it weren't for the fact that said entry was on the page for almost two years without anyone complaining or thinking it didn't fit with the trope.
Now look, Audience-Alienating Premise made a bit of sense because the name itself made the idea of what the trope means far too vague (now it's supposed to be used if a work has a niche audience/reaction, I honestly don't know) but I legit don't think we should even bother keeping Hype Backlash if we can never decide on what it's supposed to really mean.