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openDescription deletion
chizo just deleted a large chunk from the description of Paris Is Burning without a reason, and I can’t work out any good reason to just delete it:
It’s also the only edit they’ve made to the page, most of their edits being to anime or useful notes about China.
Edited by lakingsifopenThe Chicken or the Egg or the Dungeon Core
So there's something like a dozen self-published novels and at least two fabrics with this premise, a person is reincarnated on another world as a sapient gemstone orb, functioning as the mystic heart and brain of a D&D style dungeon. In some this is actually a mutual relationship, the dungeon providing rate materials and treasure to lure adventurers to fight and die inside, generating mana the dungeon uses to expand. In others, the dungeon spawns monsters and turns them loose on the world, possibly into the dark lord's army. In any case, smashing the gem kills the dungeon and they must play a design an resource management game.
My question is, with exactly one page in the genre, should I start top-down, start a launch pad for Dungeon Core stories an fill it in, or make more entries first and then worry about a list?
And is anyone willing to help in the project?
openNo Title
Phantom Dusclops 92 appears to have created a Quote page and a YMMV page troping himself, as well as this JustForFun page.
Edited by AnddrixopenFound more Books On Trope that seem to be just the work itself?
Found more Books on Trope that seem to be just the work itself?
Literature.Fenimore Coopers Literary Offences
Website.Turkey City Lexicon's format is weird too?
Edited by Maladyopen User in Discussion
User Buster2k has been blowing up the Discussion page for Aggressive Retsuko with irrelevant rants about the fandom and mindless attacks on the editors of the page as opposed to editing the page himself if there was a problem. Is this allowed?
open Creator YMMV Pages
Is this page pushing the boundary between troping works associated with the creator and troping the creator himself?
openVictoria Literature
So, questions regarding Literature/Victoria have come up several times, but discussion always peters out with no solid conclusion, so I hope to just get an answer once and for all. First, the description states unequivocally that the comparison to The Turner Diaries is unfair. No reason is ever given for this (it claims that it is self-evident by comparing their trope pages, I have and still don't see it). The other point of concern is the Tearjerker page
, which seems really suspect. My main question is why we seem to feel so strongly about maintaining neutrality on this page. I know we claim that as a universal policy, but it clearly isn't. Look at the page for the aforementioned Turner Diaries or Birth Of A Nation or (to move to the opposite end) Mission to Moscow. We would never tolerate any of these being described as merely "controversial", as Victoria is. Hardly a line on these pages goes by without a denouncement of their politics. Even works that are merely widely hated but nowhere near as odious get far less balance, like Fifty Shades of Grey. So why is so much neutrality demanded here?
openPossible natter regarding that ''thing'' in YMMV/RurouniKenshin
- Overshadowed by Controversy: Watsuki's arrest for possession of child pornography in 2017 cast an inescapable shadow over the entire franchise. If this were any other author or any other franchise it wouldn't have hit as hard since many anime/manga know about the cultural differences in Japan and the west specially regarding child psychology, but the work always preached for a moral improvement. This coming out in the way it did, instead of let's say the author himself admitting it makes it hard for fans to rewatch the series without feeling hypocritical. And despite that Watsuki expressing regrets for his actions, posting bail and returning to work in April 2018, the damage is already done and fans are mixed whether to support his work or not. There's also the publisher Shueisha letting him continue to work after six months since the arrest which many people felt that it's too soon since the controversy is still fresh in the people's minds.
- Just some clarification in case needed. It wasn't explicit pornography but underage gravure which just very recently had become illegal in Japan and was not quite badly seen by the public until the past 2 decades or so, in fact Watsuki's arrest was possible due to him asking in an internet board for lawyers about just how illegal his collection was, which essentially worked as a confession for the police who actually was after his provider.
The second part in particular is my concern. There's obviously an indentation issue, but also a bit of natter or at the very least they should have worked it into the initial entry properly rather than making an extra bullet point for it. However, regarding what the troper wrote, I have to say I have not heard this clarification anywhere and I'm very hesitant to work that into the entry, especially if there is no source.
Edited by AkoSiKuya23openPokemon's fanon page Videogame
bunny001 changed some examples. Usually the fanon pages are pretty up-for-grabs since fanon is so fluid and changes from area to area, but I'm doubting the validity of these edits.
These are the originals:
- Hilbert usually has Oshawott as his starter with Hilda having a Snivy as her own in fanworks. Likewise, Nate will be given a Tepig (partly due to the Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 movie trailer) while Rosa has an Oshawott. Despite this, Hilda and Hilbert are most often portrayed with Tepig, and Rose with Snivy, in official art.
- Hilda is usually depicted as the protagonist of the first games. With the sequels, fan-works are evenly split between Nate and Rosa (with a slight lean towards Nate due to the animated trailer and to make him contrast with Hilda).
These are the edits:
- Hilda usually has Oshawott as her starter with Hilbert having a Snivy as his own in fanworks. Likewise, Nate will be given a Tepig (partly due to the Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 movie trailer) while Rosa has an Oshawott. Despite this, Hilda and Hilbert are most often portrayed with Tepig, and Rose with Snivy, in official art.
- Hilda is usually depicted as the protagonist of the first games. With the sequels, fan-works are evenly split between Nate and Rosa (with a slight lean towards Rosa due to the animated trailer and to make her contrast with Hilda).
I am not interested in Unova fan-works anymore, but I remember at least during Gen 5 itself the original versions were accurate. I've always seen Hilbert with Oshawott and Hilda with Snivy. I'd also say fanworks lean towards Nate over Rosa.
Edited by Pichu-kunopenDubious edit on Cuphead WMG
On WMG.Cuphead, just today, user Myrmidon removed a WMG written by another user, with the edit reason being simply "No." That's... pretty strange. Kind of a red flag, if I didn't know better.
I was going to add it back myself, but I'm not really experienced with this kind of situation, and I don't wanna start an edit war or anything, so that's why I'm asking here.
Edited by DrNoPumaopenProblematic Troper
I think Apple Gates
needs a tap on the shoulder. I noticed that they added an entry for Periphery Hatedom a month ago that claimed people who hate Super Mario Bros. are "Sacred Cow Hunters" and potholed said phrase to Complete Monster. They also had posted a erroneous entry
claiming that Kelly Marie Tran had killed herself that has since been deleted.
I know there's been a query here before
regarding their edits to Internet Backdraft and they've still been going at it. They've also been adding Flame Bait tropes, edited a page caption to be longer for no particular reason
, and severe issues with unnecessary bolding
.
openURL question Videogame
What kind of YouTube URLs should we link to? I saw over on YMMV.Yu Gi Oh Reshef Of Destruction, MaLady changed a standard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= URL to https://youtu.be/, which automatically redirects to the former when clicked and lengthens the URL in browsers. The page itself doesn't seem long enough for URL shortening to be necessary.
openQuestion about crowners
Hopefully I did not commit some terrible taboo. I created a crowner for a picking a title for a trope I am working on in the TLP. Reading How Crowners Work it says to click the ellipse in the corner and to click Holler This. There was not any such option so I attached a link to my TLP myself. Is there something I missed?
openCould I edit the description of a trope I just proposed?
I tried to contribute the description of a trope I just proposed myself but I cannot. Could you tell me how to contribute?
openUnfortunate Implications on YMMV.The Last Jedi
Rotide put this entry on YMMV.The Last Jedi:
- Unfortunate Implications: In spite of the general popularity of TLJ with social justice bloggers for its diverse cast and increased prominence in female roles compared to earlier movies, others have roundly criticized the movie for taking an overly-sympathetic stance to Kylo Ren, downplaying the actions of the First Order (Most especially by engaging in an attempt at Black-and-Grey Morality, when the antagonists are based off a very real horror visited upon the world), how Rey seems to be sidelined in favor of Luke and Kylo's conflict, and how Poe (played by the Latino Oscar Isaac) is taught a lesson on respecting authority by Admiral Holdo (Played by the white Laura Dern). Some examples of people discussing this are here [1]
, [2]
, [3]
Apocrypha removed it with the following edit reason:
Tuvok added it back with the following edit reason:
So what do? I don't think a citation from reddit is reputable.

On the page "Great White Hunter", I found an entry that states that Bungalow Bill is a Deconstruction of the trope. However, having listened to the song itself, I am not so sure it fits. Does Deconstruction fit this trope?