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openLost Dr. Seuss films (censored) Western Animation
Hi Tropers! I'm an ELA teacher and secretly addicted to this site. Joined because I had a question:
My fifth graders are doing the Seussical and I'm trying to find copies of the Looney Tunes/Chuck Jones Dr. Seuss films, mainly "Horton Hatches the Egg" and "The Tail of Gertrude Mc Fuzz", since those are the subject of the play. I found some clips on Youtube but not the whole cartoons.
Also, it's been years since I've watched these classics, and while I'm not a big fan of censorship, I was wondering if anyone had seen them recently and had any advice about whether or not they'd still be "kosher" in a public school. I had a couple doubts...
1. I read online that "Horton Hatches the Egg" originally had a scene where a fish commits suicide by shooting himself in the head. I'd be in hot water if I showed that in class, so I need the censored version.
2. I remember the animated "Gertrude Mc Fuzz" has Gertrude the bird going to the doctor, who shaves off her tail feathers. I recall some off-color humor where the shave exposes Gertrude's bare fanny and the doctor is slapping her fanny with Calamine lotion, humiliating the bird. Funny in some respects, but fifth graders might get the wrong idea :P
Any advice where to find these cartoons and if school-friendly cuts exist? Thanks!
open HELP ME FIND THIS PROGRAMME (BBC ONE DRAMA) Live Action TV
Right so I need to find this bbc one tv drama, (2012-2015 ish) and I can’t remeber the name. It was a period drama set in the early 1900s I think and had a mentally unstable boy in it (19 years?) and he had a troubled childhood and I think he self harmed and stuff and punched a mirrror so had his hand bandaged for a bit. The local police man also is worried about him and helps him out a bit. His parents try to help. He gets picked on by his friends who they get into an argument with one time they get out of a lake. The main guy I remeber had blonde hair and sort of a tan suit thing (IDK) PLEASE HELP THIS IS DRIVING ME NUTS!
openTrope misuse?
From Recap.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 8 E 4 Fake It Til You Make It:
- Chekhov's Skill: Inverted, as Fluttershy's masterful knitting ability from the comics appears to have suddenly deteriorated to the point where she can't even knit an elephant tea cozy properly.
This seems like a misuse unless it foreshadows a lack of skill in that area. Is that the case here? Would this be an example of a Continuity Snarl or Retcon (the show itself has made characters inept at what it previously showed them competent at, FYI)?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaughtopen Plugin
Alspawn's edit on Self-Fulfilling Prophecy
suggest they running a word changing plugin
open Bishonen Line Anime
The term Bishonen is used in the trope Bishonen Line but when I tried to search for the word Bishonen's definition itself, there was only the, uh, x-rated definition to be found. Is it the same word repurposed, or am I searching incorrectly?
openplug-in edit
So, a user with a plug-in edited Self-Fulfilling Prophecy to install the following:
- Frozen has infant Elsa injure Anna with her magic. When their parents take her to the trolls, the head troll warns them that Elsa's magic could be devastating if not controlled, and emphasizes the threat to Anna if she gets hit in the heart with ice magic. The parent's response is to lock Elsa away, to teach her what a threat she is, and to repeatedly tell her to repress her feelings and her magic so she doesn't hurt anyone. This causes Elsa to develop severe anxiety and fear about her powers, which in turn mean she is no longer able to control them. As a result, not only does one of her panic attacks freeze all of Arendelle, but guess how she accidentally almost kills Anna?
This edit also activated the plug-in (it changed the words Great Depression on the same page to Clutch Plague), and Fighteer did a system revert on the page to undo the plug-in, erasing this entry.
Should this be restored? I would have asked on the query that got the troper suspended, but that one was locked.
Edited by jameygameropenFranchise Killer?
- Back when it was first announced, New Super Mario Bros. was praised for bringing the franchise back to its roots after 2D Super Mario Bros games had been dormant for years save for a few ports, and it was popular enough to warrant a sequel, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, in 2009, which also ended up being a reasonable success. However, New Super Mario Bros. 2 and New Super Mario Bros. U would end up splitting the Mario fanbase into two groups (3D fans and 2D fans) and were highly criticized for being unoriginal and formulaic. This is especially noticable considering the effect these games had on the series, with spinoff series such as Paper Mario (see below) and Mario Party becoming just as repetitive in nature, if not more so. Following the failure of the Wii U and Mario's decline in popularity at the time, Nintendo has stated that they wanted to move away from 2D Mario and wanted to move away from NSMB as much as possible, stating the next 2D Mario title would be a fresher experience. The last thing they did that had any connection to NSMB was Super Mario Run and Super Mario Maker which featured its aesthetic and gameplay as a selectable style for levels.
- Speaking of Paper Mario, the game that is often considered to have broken the camel's back for that series is Paper Mario: Sticker Star. Originally conceived as a traditional, story-driven Paper Mario game on the Nintendo 3 DS, the project wound up being heavily reworked into a much more formulaic game at the orders of Miyamoto himself, no less. As a result, the game was criticized significantly for removing many aspects that made the series so beloved in the first place. However, it did sell well enough for a sequel, Paper Mario: Color Splash, to be released in 2016. While the game was somewhat better received due to fixing some (though not all) of the problems that plagued Sticker Star, the Broken Base caused by Sticker Star ended up being alienated yet again by Color Splash. No new Paper Mario games have been announced since.
The former seems more like "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny, as it doesn't explain which failure (the Wii U failure is a different issue, as the Mario games was it's most successful part) led to the change. As for Paper Mario, these games normally have multi-year gaps between them, so I think it's too soon to say. Should one or the other be axed or altered?
openTwo very minor issues
1) So according to Administrivia.How To Write An Example, "descriptions of events in an example should usually be written in present tense." The troper PF
changed the wordings of some tropes from present tense to past tense; for example, in the Executive Meddling Anime page
, he changed the sentence "Masashi Kishimoto reveals that" to "Masashi Kishimoto revealed that".
2) Also from Administrivia.How To Write An Example, the troper Rich4
has an issue with Adding Multiple Tropes With A Slash, particularly on the Naruto Hokages Character page
. Take a look at how, under the "General" folder and "First Hokage - Hashirama Senju" folder, they added "World's Best Warrior / World's Strongest Man".
I think that these are very minor offenses. So, personally, I want to fix these mistakes myself, because they're both such fixable edits, but I fear that if I correct these, I'd be causing an Edit War. Would I be causing an Edit War if I correct these examples? Any advice on what to do?
Edited by mouschilightopenDethroning Moment misuse?
From DethroningMoment.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic:
- Midna: The part where Applejack tears into Coco (or, um, "Miss") Pommel's dress is just horrendous and makes both parties look bad. In Applejack's case, it's turning an otherwise likeable (if in my opinion bland) character into a dick for the sake of laughs. Element of Honesty or no, there's being frank and then there's mocking someone behind their back, and AJ's not quite a genius but she's at least smart enough to know which of the two this is. Let's not forget that Applejack has actually met Coco before, gotten to know her, and grown to like her. She'd be damn well aware that a sensitive girl like her would absolutely not appreciate her design being trashed like that. As for Coco... well, she didn't do anything wrong really, it's the way the writers are treating her. Coco was shown to be an extremely competent designer in Rarity Takes Manehattan—her cutie mark is a fancy hat for god's sake—so where the hell did this "disco ball" come from? It's giving a lovable and extremely popular character the Idiot Ball for the sake of a gag, and it just comes off as disrespectful. (In fact, between the ridiculous dress design and her cold in The Saddle Row Review, it's hard not to believe one or more of the writers have a personal vendetta against the character for some reason). Come on, guys, you know how popular Coco is. You should have known this would be a jerk move. The salt meets the wound when you realize that this is the only time Coco is so much as mentioned in the entirety of Season 7. Nope, no physical appearances at all. That Rarity episode you're hoping for where she'll show up and melt your heart again? Not happening. You Coco fans are getting a passing mention so she can make a fool of herself and the sweet farm girl can mock her in an uncharacteristically mean way, and dammit, you're gonna like it. Oh, but don't worry—she gets a very few blink-and-you'll-miss-them, voiceless cameos in the movie! That makes up for everything, right? ... r-right?//
The last part regarding Fake It Till You Make It was recently added. I ask if that part breaks the "One moment per work to a troper. If multiple entries are signed to the same troper, the more recent ones will be cut and/or moved to the discussion page." rule, or if the "it's the last we're hearing of her period" should be removed because we don't know for sure it's the last we'll hear of her.
openarticle cut request declined
Since the cut request for Bola Idiota was declined, I'd like to ask why, since I think the reason made a good argument for it to be cut and it doesn't have a massive number of inbounds. Also, it's an incorrect name, so to make it a redirect to preserve the inbounds would legitimize bad translations. The one wick it has is actually on the page itself; the content was moved & improved upon at Bola del Tonto, which is an accurate name. "Bola Idiota" is using idiota as a personal adjective to describe the ball, giving it an inherent level of intelligence rather than actually reflect the trope. This literal word-for-word translation can be seen in the actual page for Bola Idiota itself. I don't see why it wasn't cut.
openWondering Whether This Example is a Specific Tv Trope shoutout
"At one point, Bonny (Betty) de Famme refers to Athena specifically as a Know-Nothing Know-It-All. Given the sheer number of references, could the translator be One of Us?"
Not even the person who added it seems to be sure it is a Tv Trope shoutout, and I myself wonder if this really is a Tv Trope reference. Was this the first website to use the phrase "Know Nothing Know it All"? Or at least, popularized it?
openUnintentionallyUnsympathetic miuse and Scrappy misuse. Videogame
Someone added this to the Fire Emblem Fates ymmv page:
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: The reception of Peri was mixed, but mostly negative for this reason. They attempted to make her a Sympathetic Murderer, but at the same time didn't do enough to actually make her sympathetic for most people. Her backstory that set her up to be this way is briefly summarized in one of her supports and barely acknowledged at all otherwise, her positive traits just aren't enough to redeem her for being a serial killer, almost all of her Character Development is mentioned in her endings to have taken place after the game is over, and most of her darkest aspects are Played for Laughs in ways that feel out of place in the game and leave much of the audience more uncomfortable than amused. This also has the side effect of making Xander look kind of clueless to some people, since there is very little indication that he's even aware of the sorts of things Peri does, despite Peri herself seeing nothing wrong with it, not trying at all to hide it, and talking openly about it to almost everyone.
I removed it and cited that this was someone blantly trying to scapegoat Peri as a scrappy using this, citing that this person was ignoring several aspects of the character. This was done by Gravityman. Two days later, user bigbossdiego readded it, and also added her as a scrappy, which is something that has been done before and has been continually cited as not being a valid entry.
They also said this: "A character having fans does not, I repeat, does not preclude them from this status. Peri is hated by the fans to an almost absurd degree. There are entire reddit threads about how much the fandom hates her (https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/7moa1p/hated_characters_peri/)
. The removal of her Scrappy status was also unwarranted as well in light of this information. I also dislike the entry on Never Live It Down for the reason that it both downplays the problems with picking Peri as a retainer, and ignores the issues with Xander's own justifications for it. If you want to discuss this further, please respond to my post in the discussion page."
Since this is clearly just trying to bash a Base-Breaking Character, I am going to remove it, especially since using places like reddit is not allowed as a source. Want to get opinions as well so this doesn't become an issue again.
- Edit: Also, not sure if this is true, but I believe this qualifies as an edit war on the second users part, but I'm not sure.
open{{HeelFaceDoorSlam}} in [[Characters/MCUHYDRALeadership Leadership]] Live Action TV
In the character page for Hydra Leadership I removed Heel Face door slam for not meeting the perimeters of the trope. I left the reason as in show in was never shown him attempting to turn face. Or that evil is not the way. It was put back :
- Heel–Face Door-Slam: Ward gets a few, after his betrayal nearly kills all of his closest friends (some of whom he tried to kill personally). First he tries to reconcile with Coulson after months of refusing to speak to anyone but Skye (which made it obvious he didn't actually care about redemption), then when he rescues her in a later episode, she responds by shooting him three times in the chest. Then, when the original team is forced together for one last mission, they continually shoot down all his attempts to shift the blame and reconcile.
Ward: This is what I regret the most. Not the lies, or the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents I had to put down, not even dropping you two out of a plane. That I ruined this. We had something, for a while, right? We were a pretty good team? [beat] Skye: I'm still glad I shot you. Fitz: Me too. Simmons: You should have aimed for his face. May: Yeah.
However he never tried to reconcile with Coulson. He later rescued Daisy after putting her in danger in the first place in order to ingratitude himself to both Daisy and Whitehall. Also the one last mission they went together and quoted on, he already was using it as an excuse to place Kara in SHIELD in order to kidnap Bobbie for torture and closure. I took it to discussion no hits yet and I wanted a second option before I reverted it. Basically it cant be a door slam if the character makes no effort to turn face or accept the path he choice was wrong as in evil. As pointed out by Thomas and Christian admitting he was wrong was never Grant's strong point.
openNo Title Web Original
PerpetualJellyfish
made an edit on YMMV.Death Battle saying that the way one character died was meant to make their fans angry. MasterHero
removed their edit because it was biased. PerpetualJellyfish went back and readded it, added more nattery edits, and removed parts of the page that tried to give a more neutral stance on the fight's outcome, with this edit reason:
openDarkness Induced Audience Apathy Misuse?
From DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.Video Games:
- Overwatch suffers from a variant of this effect. Most of the characters are genuinely good, likable people, and the story places a lot of emphasis on the importance of hope and heroism in a troubled world. But if you set all that aside and examine the story for what it actually is, you'll find something far more grim than the bright colors and fun characters would suggest. The game needed its own Woobie page before it was even six months old. Many of the heroes are defined by the ways in which they’ve failed, and most of them have made no progress toward their goals, and not for lack of trying, either. The villains are likewise not entirely unsympathetic, but they're also directly and unrepentantly responsible for a lot of the world's problems, and they're not doing anything to helpnote Well, maybe except for one, who might be covertly trying to expose the Greater-Scope Villain, but even she is an Unreliable Narrator who has exhibited some sociopathic traits and likely isn't acting out of the goodness of her heart. The crux of the problem is that the story initiated itself under pretty dire circumstances, with the titular organization in ruins while its enemies remain at large. The plot could be summarized as "Talon enacts its agenda, and Overwatch rises from its ashes to defend the world", but the glacial rate of progression means the lore has stalled in the "Talon enacts its agenda" stage, leaving the main conflict to become increasingly lopsided as the heroes continue to struggle with no appreciable payoff while some of their most noteworthy accomplishments are outright undone by later developments. Keeping the torch lit during dark times is one of the narrative's core themes, but when the darkness starts eating the torch, it's easy to feel like you're just being strung along.
The pointing out sympathetic characters exist and hope as a theme seem to argue with itself, and most of the issue seems to be Arc Fatigue and less this trope. Cut?
openError in Trope Entry - Passengers (2016) - Unsure how to proceed.
Hi, all. I was browsing through the entry for the film Passengers (2016) and saw a factual mistake:
As written: Jim stands in a tube through which the contents of a malfunctioning fusion reactor are being vented, almost frying his spacesuit, but he doesn't appear to suffer from radiation poisoning, just as Aurora stands in the control room of said reactor (the shielded window of which is cracking) and she doesn't get radiation poisoning either.
The problem is that a fusion reactor doesn't produce ionizing radiation, at least not in any appreciable form. It does produce neutron radiation, but "radiation poisoning" - itself an incorrect term - refers to damage caused by alpha, beta, and gamma radiation. So the entry is factually incorrect as it currently stands. It would be correct, however, to point out that sitting in what amounts to a neutron shotgun doesn't seem to wreck Jim's day, either, and that little locker door is unlikely to have prevented his demise. (In the interests of full disclosure, I could go into all the science involved, but in the interests of brevity, I'll just say for now that the only ionizing radiation involved is induced radioactivity through neutron bombardment, but that has nothing to do with the plasma, only the reactor vessel and only over time.) And it's also fair to point out the thermal effect of standing in a jet of plasma, which "frying in his spacesuit" is a pretty apt description. Thus, the issue is only with the "radiation poisoning" part.
So, I don't want to just delete the entry because it's (as far as I know) not permitted to do so, and it's also not exactly polite, but correcting it essentially means erasing it anyway and replacing it with the correct information. So I thought it best to check with the folks who have been here longer and better know the operation of the wiki. Guidance is deeply appreciated.
Edited by ScifiwriterguyopenPoorly-written page Literature
I see a lot of bad writing in A Girl Who Brought Down the World, such as misusing the spoiler tags. Are the spoiler tags the only problem that you notice, or does the page itself need a bigger cleanup?
Edited by MitchellProductions

Apologies in advance for the length of this post.
N8han11 and I need additional opinions to resolve a philosophical disagreement on example writing practices. I am trying to avoid spoilers, simplify for non-fans and write concisely in accordance with our example writing guidelines. N8han11 seems to think loading examples with tagged spoilers is the better practice, and even tried to put a spoiler tag in the work description.
N8han11 recently created the page, FanFic.Total Drama Avengeance Old Losers Vs New Losers. I do a good deal of cleanup work in the Total Drama Fan Works section because that space is an interest of mine, so I looked over the article and did some cleanup to remove excessive spoiler tagging. As part of this cleanup, I endeavored to write around the spoilers and improve conciseness by removing spoilered out details I thought weren’t needed to understand the examples. In the Edit Summary, I cited several elements of the Spoiler Policy to explain my revisions.
N8han11 promptly reverted most of my revisions, restoring their own texts (add-delete-add) with the unexplained claim that my revisions were somehow improper, and even restored a spoiler tagged pothole after I pointed out that such things are against policy. I didn’t want to be called on the carpet for edit warring if/when they were, so I invited them to discuss the matter via PM or on the article’s Discussion page. It took some prodding, but they eventually agreed to a PM discussion.
We eventually reached agreement on one of the problem tropes (Locked into Strangeness), but we have reached an impasse on others, most notably Split Personality.
After N8han’s reversion of my edits, the example reads:
Note the spoiler tagged pothole, which N8han11 still seems unwilling to do anything about.
My version, as subsequently revised during our discussion, is:
No spoiler tags required, which is what writing around spoilers is all about. I also suggested splitting the spoilery details and improperly tagged pothole off into a different trope example, to wit:
N8han11 asserts that my text for Split Personality is too vague and that it’s bad practice to remove information for any reason. They didn’t respond to my Rage Breaking Point proposal at all before declaring an impasse.
Setting aside the questionable benefit of loading an example with details that are just going to be spoilered out, I contend the spoiler tag in Split Personality is a Self-Fulfilling Spoiler. Mike and his evil alter ego (named Mal) were the central focus of an entire canonical season; so if you know Total Drama and see a spoiler tag on a Split Personality example, you’re probably going to automatically assume it has something to do with Mal. If you don’t know Total Drama, you probably won’t care about the spoiler anyway.
Tropers, it’s in your hands now. We have agreed to resolve our dispute here.
Edited by Gideoncrawle