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openYMMV.MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017 Western Animation
SenorCornholio made very long entries to the YMMV page for the G4 MLP movie about They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot by outlining an entire alternate scenario for the movie/final battle, which i don't think is how that trope works, as well as a very long edit about Twilight's friends sucking with a lot of potholes.
"** The fact that Twilight's magic is completely limited in this movie ends up resulting in plenty of scenes where it could have helped them out, but didn't. As an example, after Twilight's screwing everything up and chewing out her friends results in her being captured, she could have stayed long enough to listen to Tempest Shadow's Villain Song, realized she failed friendship, used one of her various self-inflicted spells to escape (notice how the cage she's in only resists magic, but never prevents it), and declares that she'll save Tempest from what she became, all in time to meet up with her friends for the Final Battle, which also would have led to her realizing that friendship really did bring everyone together. It could have also resulted in a climactic battle with Tempest where Twilight tries to convince her that she's better than she thinks she is, leading to a Heel–Face Turn on her part like it does in the movie proper. But because she doesn't, she ends up as the Damsel in Distress that needs to be saved, and as an added kick in the teeth, her magic is stolen so she can't even try fighting anyway."
"** The Mane Five aside of Twilight can be seen as this, namely during their argument scene. Most of them did virtually nothing to help the situation involving Tempest Shadow and the Storm King get any better, either providing seemingly nothing or outright making the situation worse like with Rainbow Dash's impulsive Sonic Rainboom on Celaeno's ship, and especially Pinkie Pie's antics in Klugetown. And what's more is that they're exceptionally tongue-in-cheek about their screw-ups, like ruining several anthropomorphic creatures' homes and nearly getting five pirates and a cat man killed isn't a big deal. This leads to Twilight attempting to steal the Pearl of Transformation and arguing with her friends which, to be fair, the argument does make a point about how both Twilight and her friends messed up. However, after Twilight says her Wham Line, the five of them head off to leave Twilight alone, still fully aware that Tempest Shadow is after her, and only after she's captured do they go back to caring about her. When Twilight told Pinkie she'd be better off with without friends like them, maybe there was more truth to that statement than the writing staff realized."
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017
In general the page also has stuff like "* What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?: Between the multiple examples of Getting Crap Past the Radar, a Downer Beginning with scary petrification, an Implied Death Threat, a Not-So-Safe Harbor where the heroes were almost Made a Slave, a depressing sequence of Canterlot's population enslaved, drowning (Robbie Rotten lampshades it here
), a severe Plot-Mandated Friendship Failure, and a Family-Unfriendly Disney Villain Death, it's easy for parents to wonder if this movie is appropriate for young children. Then at the same time, the show has done the same concepts many times before and still managed to hold a TV-Y rating, and the movie still manages to be as simple and sugary as well, so once again it all comes down to one's personal interpretation." which contradicts itself multiple times.
openApplicability Web Original
I was browing the YMMV.The Nostalgia Critic page and noted an entry on applicability.
" Applicability: Autistic fans have welcomed Critic with open arms, with Doug comparing him to similarly coded Peridot, and Home Alone 2 bringing back the cereal special interest, all the nerves from the episode resulting in a meltdown when it's mocked and getting forgiven when he stresses out over thinking he ruined it. Hyper Fangirl has her fair share of Misaimed Fandom, but her most devoted audience are neuroatypical women who relate to her struggles and want to see her get better (without Critic having to forgive her). "
I didn't know what applicability as a trope was until I looked at the Laconic page, but it says "Word of God asks the audience to make up their own mind about the theme." which doesn't seem to fit these examples... and neither do many examples on the applicability page itself.
"Prometheus was designed for Wild Mass Guessing. One moment of Idiot Ball could mean an hour of theorizing behind why it is so. "
"The Day the Earth Caught Fire (1962) was made long before global warming and climate change became big issues, but is still about climate change which has been caused accidentally by technology (simultaneous nuclear tests at the north and south poles change the tilt of the Earth's axis)."
"The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is a case of confusing applicability with allegory. The connection between The Wonderful Wizard of Oz and the then-contemporary American political landscape was not even raised until 1963, when summer school teacher Henry Littlefield, while trying to teach the 1896 Presidential election and the turn-of-the-century Populist movement to bored history students, stumbled upon the idea of using the characters and events of The Wizard of Oz as metaphors to teach the concepts. He and his students made a number of connections - the Scarecrow represented the farmers, the Tin Woodman the factory workers, the Wizard was President Grover Cleveland or Republican presidential candidate William Mc Kinley, the Cowardly Lion was Democratic presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan, the silver shoes were the silver standard, the yellow brick road the gold standard, and so on - and Littlefield eventually wrote an article, "The Wizard of Oz: A Parable on Populism," which was published in the magazine American Quarterly in 1964. You can read this article here. Unfortunately, this was eventually taken to mean that Baum wrote the book as an allegory for the political landscape at the turn of the century despite the fact Littlefield believed Baum had no political agenda when he wrote the book."
" Hans Christian Andersen's The Little Mermaid is open to many allegorical interpretations, as are its various adaptations."
So, what is applicability and are these examples valid/applicable? Should the Laconic page be rewritten?
Edited by lalalei2001openDo Rick & Morty count as Decoy or Supporting Protagonists? Western Animation
The user by the name of Mack Wylde keeps trying to shoehorn the following trope into the Rick and Morty page numerous times over the past few months. I delete it with a reason proving why it can't apply, so they wait a few weeks and try to sneak it back in.
- Decoy Protagonist: Sort of. The series seems to really be about the Smith's family dynamics and not just about Rick and Morty and their adventures.
- Supporting Protagonist: Rick and Morty. The series may center on their adventures but it seems to be more about their family dynamic rather than the two of them alone.
First off, the series is called Rick & Morty. Rick and Morty are the two main characters of the franchise and appear in every episode in one way or another. The overarching storyline does involve Rick's family and their own disfunctional problems from time to time, but the focus remains around Rick and Morty themselves. Rick and Morty appear in every episode, while Beth, Jerry, and Summer may not appear at all.
I already debunked the numerous attempts to throw in Decoy Protagonist because the absolute very first scene in the Pilot episode starts with Rick barging in on Morty in his room. The laconic itself proves this can't apply just by that alone.
Finally, the way it's worded isn't even sure about itself. "Seems to be" are three words that indicate there's no objectively concrete proof that it is.
I finally decided to take it here before this one-sided edit war escalates any further.
Edited by DRCEQopenWhy are the Disney live-action remakes more important than the sequels?
I noticed that there's a page for Disney live-action remakes and they have their own section on Recap.Disney Animated Canon. So, if that's the case, how come we aren't listing the sequels done by DisneyToon Studios? Are they not as important? Because the live-action remakes are considered by many the Disney sequels of modern times.
Are we allowed to add them? I'd do it myself, but I don't know the exact order of when they were released, and I'm not sure if I should include the Winnie the Pooh sequels or not.
openWanting to add a DethroningMoment about an AllThereInTheManual entry Videogame
I want to add to the Dethroning Moment Of Suck page an entry about Overwatch, but considering it's not in the game proper, where should it go?
- So, when Overwatch revealed its newest hero (28 feb 2018), her official bio was put on the site, except the age she's given doesn't make any sense (she's supposed to be 28, but according to a letter released, Mercy is supposed to have been there a few days after she was born, meaning that Mercy would have been 9 when that happened). Compounded by the lead writer's reaction on Twitter when releasing her, which was a simple "some things are wrong with her backstory". He didn't proofread himself, he didn't check if the information he gave to the team uploading the site was coherent with what he wrote, and he didn't apologize for it, his reaction could be summarized as "meh, i made a mistake, no big deal". It's at this point that I gave up any hope I had left for some form of coherence/continuity with this universe or for Michael Chu to have any credibility as a writer.
openBanned troper has resurfaced.
Suicidedogavi is the new handle of an old, banned user who earned their ban for Single-Issue Wonk and later tried to evade it. I knew who it was the minute I saw their edits. Someone care to deal with them? Like, based on their edits, it's 100% bornofself/janegotagun/any number of other ban-evading handles.
Edited by HasturHasturHasturopenIndices not showing up for rogue launched trope
So, I just officially launched Creepy High-Pitched Voice, a trope that I had sitting in TLP for a very long time. According to Berrenta, it was rogue-launched not long ago.
When I launched the trope, I found that it was already on two index pages, Obviously Evil and Voice Acting Tropes, and one Recap page, apparently put there by whoever rogue-launched the trope. Although the trope page itself was cut, it was apparently not removed from these other pages.
So now that I've launched the trope, it shows up on the index pages, but at the bottom of the trope page itself, no indices appear. What do we do?
open 1990’s Easter Special Western Animation
I saw it only once when I was around 8 or 9. I remember watching it at Easter time sometime between 1993 and 1996. It was an Easter cartoon special, not reoccurring TV show with an Easter themed episode. I don’t think it was a full-length movie, although it could have been. If it was a movie, it was never in theaters. All I can remember is there we’re talking farm or woodland animals. One of those animals was a rabbit, he seemed to be the central/most memorable animal character. I want to say it took place on or near a farm. There was a boy on the farm. He was the protagonist along with the talking animals. I don’t know if the boy and animals talked to each other, but the animals talked to one another. The antagonist was a machine or robotic type being I remember. I remembered that the machine/robot somehow hurt the boy, or defeated him somehow. The boy was on the ground hurt, and I remembered how bad I felt and how much I hated that evil robot machine villain thing. The animals were devastated and were on the boy’s side when this happened. I don’t remember what happened at th end, or how everything turned out for the boy and the animals. I want to say that th annals somehow saved the boy from the machine villain but I can’t distinctly remember how that happened. I have always connected the memory of this animated TV special with Easter time, and Easter themed, though I have no memory of the show itself besides the taking rabbit to associate to Easter specifically. I’ve been struggling with this memory and wanting to know what it is I remembered after all these years. I know I remember the way it made me feel the most. Maybe that’s the reason I can’t let it go, and I need to know more. I’ve been struggling with this for 15+ years. Anything would help! Thank you!
openQuestionable edit by a questionable troper
thekaizerreich
has come up on ATT a few times
, most recently for breaking several rules (edit-warring, Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment, and Unfortunate Implications requiring citations) in order to further a potential racist agenda. Plus various misogynistic edits in the past.
Since their ban was released, they've made a... highly questionable edit
that comes across as, at best supporting the myth of the Clean Wehrmacht
if not Nazi sympathizing, given the troper's chosen handle. It's particularly questionable since I can find absolutely zero indication that this is true or even an existing story. Various attempts at googling key words only bring up that page or completely irrelevant results.
The edit in of itself wouldn't be terribly worth noting, but given their suspension's release was predicated on being careful about ROCEJ, their handle, their history of potentially racist and definitely misogynistic edits, it just is, as a whole, very worrisome. I understand if it's not enough to take action yet, but I think an eye should be kept on them.
Edited by LarkmarnopenNot sure about where information has been coming from for Avengers Infinity War. Film
- Lantern Jaw of Justice: Played with. He's a space tyrant with a god complex, but he still features a well defined jawline that you'd see on the various heroes to illustrate he's a Well-Intentioned Extremist meant to be a Foil to the good guys.
- Well-Intentioned Extremist: This version of Thanos is driven to stop what he believes will eventually become an apocalyptic Overpopulation Crisis. By using the Infinity Gauntlet to wipe half of intelligent life, he'll be saving the other half from using up their natural resources faster than those resources can be replenished.
- Freudian Excuse:
- The majority of his species died after an Overpopulation Crisis led them to use up all the natural resources on his homeworld of Titan. Thanos believes it's his duty to stop such a tragedy from ever happening again... even if it means wiping out half the universe to save the other half.
- He was also ostracized during his childhood due to his genetic deformity, which played a major role in shaping his personality.
- Adaptational Heroism: In the comics, Thanos is a Death worshiper who killed half the universe as an offering to his "love". In the MCU, Thanos is a true Well-Intentioned Extremist who believes killing trillions is a necessary evil to "save the universe from itself" and protect trillions more from resource wars, overpopulation, and permanent environmental damage to their own homes.
Where has this information been coming from? I have not found any sources for this anywhere other than this site. I'm tempted to say this might be fake, as the movie hasn't come out yet for starters.
openRemoving one page and returning another. Web Original
I think https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/ProtonJon/
should return as it shows the personalities the co-coms use when commentating. They have been noted by Jon to act differently at cons. The personalities they show here are clearly in entertainer mode. Even his cat, Bagel, is usually not that desperate for attention as Jon usually doesn't talk to himself or ignore Bagel outside streams.
But I think https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/TheRunawayGuys
should be removed. Jon finds it really creepy, and Chugga, while playing it up (because he thinks it's what the fan base wants), has admitted to finding it creepy too. They are real people with feelings, not some fictional characters you can play with the emotions of. Some people even got mad at Jon for dating Lucah because of this which is unacceptable.
openIs Calvin a chocolate baby?
Someone just added this to Characters.Calvin And Hobbes.
- Chocolate Baby: Though it's never commented on, he has blonde hair while both of his parents are brunette.
Shouldn't this trope only be used if there's some sort of implication (whether from the work itself or Word of God) that the mother cheated? Because this sounds like 100% speculation to me.
openOn handling former members of a creators team.
MLP Analysis has a former member who called himself ToonCriticY2K. You can look elsewhere for what happened (or not, if you want to keep down your lunch), but I'm wondering if he should have been taken off the page completely, or should instead be listed as a former member.
Edited by DragonQuestZopenCan my page be moved to the "Creators" namespace...? Music
Um okay, so a while ago somebody made a page on me: TurretBot
Which is fine, keep the page, I don't care. I don't want to disrespect The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours, I only did one edit to correct a few factual errors, that's it, and I don't plan to edit the page for any more than that... But I want the namespace changed. The page is currently under "Music", and it should be under "Creators".
"Turret Bot" is NOT a work. That's just my username. And, I do things other than music (the page conveniently leaves out my non-music stuff, but I can post links if you want proof). For all that, I believe the page should really be moved to "Creators"...
So can someone please move the page to Turret Bot for me? Since the page is about me, I feel like moving it myself would be crossing the line, I don't want to get in trouble or anything. Ok that's all. Thanks in advance...
openTitleTrope dispute on a Recap page Live Action TV
Someone keeps deleting the Double-Meaning Title entry I made on an Arrow Season 6 recap page. Here's my entry:
- Double-Meaning Title: At first glance the episode title (which is "Doppelganger'") seems to only refer to Black Siren (the Alternate Self of a deceased main character), but the episode also features the return of Roy, a man who took the identity of the Arrow to take all the blame from Oliver back in Season Three. It also shows Diggle, Oliver's most constant stand-in, expressing his desire to officially don the Green Arrow mantle.
I think I made a valid explanation, but I don't wanna cause an Edit War so I'm here for second opinion(s). You guys think its Ok to put this back?
Edited by makarovak47
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
openI have a few characters who might qualify as Not-So-Well-Intentioned Extremists.
Which one(s) would qualify:
In Full Metal Alchemist(Brotherhood and Manga), Shou Tucker and his family were in danger of being in poverty, his solution: Turn first his wife and then his dog and daughter into pained chimeras, just for the sake of him being an alchemist, a job he's no good at and expected it to be acceptable, it's sickening, needless to say.
Mephiles sent Silver to the past, not to help him(Silver) stop Iblis from destroying the world but use him(Silver) to break Iblis's seal so that they(Meph and Ib) can reform into Solaris and consume all the time in existence.
TMNT(1987): In the episode "Dirk Savage", A.J. Howard hires the eponymous mutant hunter to capture mutants claiming them to be a menace to society with no regard to them being good or evil. However, not only is Howard a mutant himself, he plans to build an army of brainwashed mutants in hopes of mutating and controlling the entire human race, this leads to Don and Raph stopping a vengeful Rahzar from killing Dirk in order to convince him to turn against Howard.
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – Dual Destinies: Aristotle Means, as to quote this page: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TheReasonYouSuckSpeech/VisualNovels
"Athena gives one to Aristotle Means, saying that for all his claims of having good intentions, (namely, teaching students how to effectively defend their clients in the dark age of the law), he's nothing more than a hypocrite, given his trying to ensure that Juniper gets convicted for murder. The point is driven home even further when it later turns out that Means killed Constance Courte when she found out he was taking bribes.
• Athena: They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but not yours! You never had good intentions, only lies to protect yourself with while blaming another. You, professor, are the embodiment of the dark age of the law!"
open what is this trope called, Mass corruption while exploring evil lair?
I found a plot in some anime and a game where the Hero and Hero's companion or allies Exploring the evil lair, but then for some reason something happen there, after that we found everyone except the Hero are possessed or corrupted and become the evil minion or the big bad them self. i want to ask what is this trope called?
open Hoist by his own petard "indirectly" (Hamlet Spoilers) Literature
[Post writing this out edit: This can basically be summed up as "Does it count as Hoist By His Own Petard if the person who dies only dies as an indirect result of their actions/plotting?" and i'm specifically talking about Hamlet's death.] Would Hamlet's own death count as a case of "Hoist By His Own Petard"? Laertes was driven to murderous intent against hamlet because Hamlet's plotting resulted in the deaths of Laertes father and sister. It was killing ophelia that was the breaking point, and Hamlet had continuously pushed Ophelia towards madness as part of his scheme to feign insanity. Had Hamlet never driven Ophelia to madness he would not have died himself. So does this count as an indirect case of "Hoist By his own petard"? or is does it have to be a direct action that causes the death? (For those curious btw i'm actually writing a paper on this trope and how it applies to both Hamlet's character and the play as a whole) While i'm asking, would polonius's death also count as Hoist by His Own Petard? I'm pretty sure not because he was straight up stabbed, but he was stabbed because he was spying on Hamlet for the king. It's even more of a stretch than whether or not hamlet counts as HBHOP.

I believe I saw this on Hulu, not entirely sure of myself. Its a drama show and this is all I can remember: Several Women forced to wear dog shock collars, being chained in a soundproof room, a swingset in the back. Some sort of government tram is looking for missing some, missing for years. Women have been murdered.