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openVideoGame/{{Overwatch}}: Retcon or not?
The 1st February 2018, Michael Chu told on Twitter and the forums
that D.va was never a starcraft professional, despite her being teased on a page that repertoried Starcraft pros, her bio on that site telling she became the 1 in the world at 16 and kept that title for three years, touring around the world, her announcer pack for Starcraft 2 telling the same thing
, multiple Blizzcon panels where that was told, and the game diretor himself calling her a Starcraft pro in an interview a month before the reveal.
Chu says that establishing her as a Starcraft pro was never the intention and that they were only trying new ways of teasing heroes.
Is this a retcon or not?
I ask because me and number9robotic are in a bit of an Edit War on whether or not it's a retcon.
Edited by cricri3007open ??? Film
Okay... here's what I know! I viewed this movie (or possibly an episode of a show) during the 2000s (2004 to 2012). All that I recall is that there were two main characters being followed throughout the film. One being a boy/guy and the other being a human-sized robot (who would later reveal herself to be a girl/woman after removing the robot head/helmet). I believe they were both on some sort of quest, but that is all that comes to mind. And it was not a cartoon! Thanks!!! :)
Edited by Ritchey1398openFound a suitable image...now what?
So I ask on Image Pickin if an image is suitable, they say it is and...now what? Do I add it myself or do the staff add it?
openHow to Shorten Example from Music/HarsherinHindsight
Here is the example in question:
Also "I'm Going Slightly Mad" is not so funny when you know it was all his fears about dementia brought on by AIDS, though Word of God said himself that it was just a silly joke song he wrote in about 5 minutes.
- Freddie, Queen, and the few other people who knew about Freddie's illness did and said all that they could to hide the fact that Freddie had the disease, at least until it was too obvious to keep it a secret. It wasn't mentioned in interviews, talked about in private, etc. until the night before his death, when Freddie sent the press release. Freddie wanted to carry on as normally as possible until the end, and did not want the tabloid press to complicate his life or the lives of those he cared for, or for anyone to worry about him or buy his records out of sympathy. So any Word of God you get from Freddie, Queen, etc. up until November 23, 1991 was made while trying to keep the issue a secret and downplay any "clues" about his condition.
How to keep all that info while still joining both of them together? Right now, it is a conversation.
openMoving Trope names in AddedAlliterativeAppeal to AlliterativeName. Need Advice.
Moving Trope names in Added Alliterative Appeal to Alliterative Name. Need Advice.
Got permission
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It should be split into a separate page, due to its length... OLD spoiler:Should it be on a separate page due to its length, if so, what should it be called...
It's around 374,642 characters now.
But I'm not sure what to call it...
I just need to figure out what to call the Alliterative Name subpage. Either "TV Tropes Wiki" or "TV Tropes Itself", have been used... and what letter ranges to use.
And give Indexes a separate page as well.
Should I keep the indexing?
Edited by MaladyopenOn the page for Zabibah and the King. Literature
Should we recreate this page? The book itself is more like a historical curiosity than a classic in Iraqi literature since it was written by Saddam Hussein (under the not so clever pen name of S. Hussein).
Edited by Albino_AxolotlopenTroper changing descriptions without discussion. Allowed?
Nutgunner is making some changes to trope descriptions and I'm not seeing any discussions on the topic. See their updates to Homing Projectile, My Hero, Zero and Copy Protection for example.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Nutgunner
They also modified an image caption (Stupid Crooks) and added a JAFAAC image (I Just Want to Be Loved). I sent notifiers for the image changes to direct them to IP. (Note that adding an image to the blank I Just Want to Be Loved isn't against the rules, but the image itself is JAFAAC. I made an IP thread to find a better image) Hopefully Nutgunner can participate.
openJames Stewart Film
James Stewart, George Bailey himself, one of 20th Century's most famous Hollywood actors. Billed as "James Stewart" in every acting job he had from 1935 to 1991, except for a TV show that briefly ran in the early 70s.
His TV Tropes page is listed under Jimmy Stewart.
Before I go to the Trope Repair Shop I'd like to take the temperature for support of a rename.
openEdit War in Boobs And Butt Pose
Tropers.Trev MUN recently made a large edit to Boobs-and-Butt Pose to remove most statements about the implausibility and/or ridiculousness of the pose. While that was fine in and of itself, as a negativity cleanup had been proposed on the Discussion page for a while but never executed. However, they also added a Tumblr/blog post of someone demonstrating said pose, who was herself criticizing the negative reputation the trope has. In other words, going in the exact opposite direction and complaining about complaining.
I removed the blog post from the description, and stated in the description that we should also remove a conflicting blog entry currently listed on the page from a contortionist who himself says that the pose is unrealistic. My reasoning is that this is starting to boil down to a case of he said/she said and could easily escalate into an arms race to find enough image blogs to support one opinion over the other.
Trev MUN rebutted today, and then went and readded his blog example without further discussion.
Please advise on how to proceed.
openIssue regarding an edit undone. Anime
Apologies for so many ATT entries. I know this gets annoying.
So in August of last year, I went onto the Fairy Tail section for the "Main Villains", and asked why the "character" Ankhselam was listed as a Big Bad when he is a Greater-Scope Villain who never actually appears in the series. The characters listed on the page were the three major antagonists of the final arc, something the "character" in question is not. Nobody commented on it, so on January 20th of this year, I moved him to the Other Section.
February 13th, Sarakael, a troper I have had very poor interactions with due to his very strict "My way or the high way" mindset, undid this saying; "You should learn to wait for other opinion before doing thing as drastic as that."
Not only is this a passive aggressive message, I did wait for people to comment on it. For nearly five months. Not a single person commented so I moved it after waiting. I want to see peoples opinions since Sarakael has often ignored discussions if he does not agree with them, and he himself never engaged the topic.
Edited by keyblade333openTracking not-yet-created pages
So I'm writing a fanfic, and while I'd feel too much like a Shameless Self-Promoter to create its page myself, I do want to be informed if someone else does. But apparently adding a not-yet-created page to your watchlist doesn't work. Is there anything I can do?
openDoes this count as Creator Backlash?
Remember "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer", by Patsy and Elmo? Well, today, I found this song by Elmo (as a solo act named Dr. Elmo), called ["Don't Make Me Play that Grandma Song Again"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTfXQwdkJks)
, which is about a DJ who is sick of playing the song. At first, I thought it could be self-deprecation, especially since he calls Elmo someone who cannot sing, but then, hearing the lyrics again, I thought it could simply be an observance on how overplayed the song is (as Christmas songs usually are). So does this fit?
openCrosswicking Our Own Works
Side note:
What's the policy on actually crosswicking our works on trope pages? I didn't know if that went to far was considered shameless self-promotion or not.
Edited by shoboniopenWhat is Self-Deprecation about?
Some examples are in-universe characters deprecating themselves, but some are the authors of the work deprecating themselves, and the image is an example of the latter. Thus, I am a bit confused: is this trope both in and out-universe, or just out-universe?
openSingle Issue Wonk Review on My Little Pony Equestria Girls: Forgotten Friendship
While JJHIL 325 does have valid points regarding the issue, it's clearly a rant about the issue within the movie and not an actual review of the movie itself. They should have posted in the proper forums instead.
open Time Travel (perhaps) Film
Help!!! This show/movie is probably no later than 2008.
Okay so it starts somewhat like this. A guy pulls up to a small gas station, where he sees a very attractive girl. She then invites him to a party at some big house later on that night. He arrives to the house but is skeptical to go in. As he's debating whether to walk into the party or not this scary werewolf dirty type human comes from around the house yelling and mumbling gibberish. He ends up being scared of the thing so he runs inside the house. He's now in the party (i dont remember much of what goes on in here) he meets the girl from the gas station who i think slips something in his drink that makes him very drowsy. She then admits to slipping something in his drink. He trys to ask the party guest for help but they suddenly all stop dancing because they were mannequins all along except the girl and maybe like 3 guys who are trying to get him. He trys to run out the house but all the doors and windows are either shut or a guy is waiting for him. He finally escapes through the chimney rolls off the roof of the house, and he's extremely dirty and looks kind of like a werewolf. As he's coming around the front of the house he sees a young man at the front door debating whether he should go in the party or not. The werewolf looking dude realizes that the young man at the door is himself, ...So he runs towards him yelling and mumbling gibberish trying to prevent him from going into the party. The young man gets scared and runs inside..
So this seems to be a never ending cycle, not sure if this was a movie or an episode (maybe like a goosebumps) but my guess is that it might be a show since i dont think it lasted longer that one hour. Thanks guys
openedit war about natter
22 jan, i deleted the following paragraph of natter in The Sociopath example in Characters.Frozen Prince Hans Westergaard Of The Southern Isles:
" But it's also zig-zagged here, as Word of God has explicitly described him by this term while emphasizing him as a Tragic Villain with a big Freudian Excuse, making it debatable to say if he is a sociopath or not. A Frozen Heart greatly emphasizes this as well as demonstrating there are people he genuinely cares for. It's implied he's only emulating his father's abrasiveness. In fact, his father may be a better description of this, as he doesn't care for his family unless they're useful to him, treats his subjects like trash, and reacts quite violently if they criticize him or fail to provide him with favors, money or food."
29 jan, njein added an other similar paragraph: "But A Frozen Heart reveals that Hans initially averted this, as his original goal was to permanently escape his abusive family and settle some place else quietly for good. But years of serving as his father's gofer and corrupting his own ethics out of a nigh-impossible desire of winning his father's respect, all led to his downwards spiral towards villainy."
I removed this as natter in the same day.
5 february, Duel Mark added the following paragraph with " added and altered to work better" as edit reason:"That said, Word of God has explicitly described him by this term while emphasizing him as a Tragic Villain with a big Freudian Excuse, making it debatable to say if he is a sociopath or not. A Frozen Heart greatly emphasizes this as well as demonstrating there are people he genuinely cares for and has self-loathing issues, aspects that sociopaths don't have. It's implied he's only emulating his father's abrasiveness."
Reading the edit history, i noted the edit war, sent a natter alert in 9 feb and waited by an answer.
Shortly after this, they deleted their more recent edit in the page with "not interested in discussion for now" as edit reason. I interpreted this as a permission and deleted the natter.
11 feb, Duel Mark re-added the paragraph and deleted half of the example with "Actually something important to mention, especially since it shows signs he's not a real sociopath" as edit reason.
openUse of acronisums and fan terms
It says on the How to Write an Example page to avoid internet acronyms and using acronyms for work titles but what about other forms of acronyms?
One example I have seen recently uses the acronym SMG and it took me quite a while to work out from context that it means sub-machine gun. I don’t believe this falls under the above mentioned acronyms but is it still right to use it?
On a related note, every so often Warhammer 40,000 examples will use the X++ for a saving throw that is unmodifiable, something that the game itself doesn’t use and I have only seen on a few fan sites. Should this be edited for violation of the Simplify For Non Fans rule? (Hell I am a big fan of the work and it still took me a little time to work out what it meant)
openFandomSpecificPlot question Literature
A Christmas Carol has hundreds and hundreds of adaptations, but also fanfics, some of which have specific plots.
I added "* Fandom-Specific Plot: Many fanfics tend to revolve around freeing Jacob Marley of his chains or setting Scrooge up with Belle after his reformation, usually by having her husband die. Other common fics have Scrooge/Marley as a pairing, in life or after death."
to the book's page since it was fandom-specific and many of the ones I've read are based on the book as opposed to a movie. jamespolk then removed it saying it should go on an adaptation page, but many fics are nonspecific about which version they follow so most people assume they're book-based unless said otherwise. Where should it go, if anywhere?
Also apparently Fandom-Specific Plot itself isn't a YMMV trope, but its related page shows it on tons of YMMV pages.
Edited by lalalei2001

Is there a word/TV Tropes term for when you make an edit, then you realize you made a mistake in that edit and re-edit that same entry to fix your mistake? I thought that was called a "null edit", but then I looked up Administrivia.Edit Reasons And Why You Should Use Them and found that that's not what that means.
The reason I ask this is because I've done this before: I've made mistakes in my edits, and I would always catch them and re-edit them to correct my own mistakes, and I would always point out in the Edit Reason Box that "I caught my own mistake and corrected them myself." However, I just realized that I've never known if there's an actual term for this kind of edit.
Maybe this is a weird question, but it's something that's been on my mind for months, and I only just remembered to ask now.
Edited by mouschilight