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openVery poor grammar from an editor
jokevv
kinda has really poor grammar and etc. While I believe their edits are done in good faith, alot of them really fail basic writing rules. Improper use of punctuation marks and spelling errors such as using "munch" instead of "much" are some of their mistakes. It's so bad in one place that I made an inquiry in Is this an example?
partially because some if not all the entries they made were really hard to decipher.
Here's part of what I'm talking about which includes one of their most recent edits:
- Alternate Character Interpretation: What does Zeldris plan to do as Demon king? He has so far been the only one to describe the demon clan as a race of outcasts and those despised by the other clans and accepting of other outcasts. He was in willing lovenote Given her powers and how ruthless and evil Meliodas was described back then. It seem incredible unlikely he was in a state to fall in love with Elizabeth without use of her magic to sway his heart with a member of a race below his own, let alone his status as prince. Does Zeldris for all his villainy see kingship the same way that King does? He cared for how his men were slowly being killed off (though it could be because of pride), he opposes Meliodas as king for the implication of he was a traitor more then it seems because he covets the throne and the fact he choose to seal the vampires brings up another question. Why seal them all when he could have just wiped out all the other vampire's except Gelda, but he choose to seal them all. Meliodas fought and killed his comrades for his love despite supposedly being more moral by that point. Zeldris came up with a compromise to fulfill his duty and kept the one he loved alive something Meliodas did not do. These seem to point towards Zeldris as more inline with Meliodas ideal of a good king embodied by King then Meliodas himself.
- Chapter 247 give even more credit to this interpretations by showcasing Zeldris outrage toward estarossa comment of killing the other demon's for their commandment's despite it being unlikely to get them any other given their loyalty to the demon king and how his desire to become king is for a single purpose. Yet he still showed anger to kill other member's of his race because their loyalty get's in the way of his goals. Something Meliodas back to his ten commandment day's did not show or even emote when the idea was brought up.
- The demons themselves bring this up. While the demon are portrayed as vicious and have no issue taking innocent lives. The question of whether they are like this by nature and the goddess opposed them justifiably despite not being munch better or devolved into the beasts the demons are stereotyped by the other clans as thanks to having to fighting for their very existence from all other races who despise them for who they are. The fact that there was a truce between the goddess and demon which the goddess broke at the first sign of disadvantage and Zeldris description of the clan hints towards the latter interpretation but it's very munch still vague.
- The Goddesses: Are they a race of Arrogant Jerkass knight templars who are truly no better then the Demon Clan and who's bigotry keeps the demons from reconciling with the other clans and causing endless war and death on all sides thanks to their pride. Or a race of Jerkass Has a Point where while terrible, the demons are a threat to all life and so powerful all the clans united is required to defeat them.
It's really hard to decipher what they're trying to say in some parts and ascertain if what they added are really examples because of the horrible grammar.
openminor edit war and questionable edit on YMMV OOT Videogame
garthvader on YMMV.The Legend Of Zelda Ocarina Of Time removed the Water Temple from a Base Breaker entry,citing that "You see nobody dislikes the water temple because it's *hard*, the dislike it because you're constantly farting around in the menu". I put it back as the WT has become shorthand for 'hard Zelda dungeon', the master quest version and remakes made it easier because of its notorious difficulty. and the level designer even apologized for how hard it was, and the BB entry cited positive thoughts on the level as well, with some really loving it.
They re-removed it, saying " No, it's NOT notorious for being difficult, it's notorious for the fact that every time you mess up you have to repeat a sequence of annoying steps and menu transitions. Lying about why people don't like it makes a poor example. As an addition, the level designer did not apologise for how hard it was, quote: "I am most sorry that it was not easy for you to put on and take off the heavy boots, that all the time you had to visit the inventory. I am very sorry about that. I should have made it much easier to switch to the heavy boots," Aonuma said."
However, right before that Aonuma said "“The Water Temple in the Ocarina of Time was notorious for being very tough to conquer," implying he was being sarcastic about the boots, and even if not he does say the temple itself is difficult. I found the edit reasons a bit rude as well ^^;
But even more than they they added this to the YMMV page, which seems questionable. "**Naming Link as "Hitler" also results in a, um, interesting new interpretation of the story."
Edited by lalalei2001openWould this be an edit war? Videogame
This was added to Doki Doki Literature Club! by Etheru on November 17:
- Anti-Frustration Features: There's a "skip" button that allows the player to fast forward through dialogue that they've already seen, which significantly helps to streamline the process of getting the Golden Ending for the game. It's also functional when Yuri kills herself in Act 3, since clicking through all of the garbage text takes a while.
I removed it later that day for being a non-example with this edit reason: "I'm not really sure this should count...having a skip button is a standard feature of visual novels, and in Ren'Py in particular, V Ns made with it include it by default—you have to deliberately disable the functionality in order to not allow for skipping. It's a bit like calling the save function an AFF."
A similar example was added to the page by King Lyger, and subsequently edited by them, on December 8. It currently looks like this:
- Anti-Frustration Features: If you load a save from a previous day, the game lets you fast-forward through dialogue you've already seen by either clicking "Skip" or holding down a key. The skip stops automatically when you reach dialogue that you haven't seen yet. The game also lets you skip through a part of Yuri's event in Act 2 after she stabs herself to death, which features nothing but strings of broken font characters.
The third sentence is a valid example, but the rest is essentially the same as the example I removed. I was going to remove that part again, but I thought it might constitute an edit war if I did, even though they were added by two different tropers (and I don't think King Lyger intentionally re-added a deleted example; that page has gotten a lot of edits).
Edited by MissMokushirokuopenJeff Goldblum: Is He Adam Westing? Film
Jeff Goldblum (wonderful sweet man and the love of my internet life) has, mostly of late, been known to play characters that are basically just him being his Goldblum-iest self (ex. The Grandmaster in Thor: Ragnarok) So my question is whether this is a case of Adam Westing or Type-Casting or some other trope that I am forgetting?
openThemself or themselves? Western Animation
A few days ago, The Tropper created the Recap page for the Steven Universe episode "Jungle Moon". In the summary, they had used "themselves" for Stevonnie. I changed it to "themself" as that's what the official summary uses, and what I thought was the correct pronoun. Three days ago, Tropper changed it back. So what is it? When you refer to one person, is it themselves or themself?
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiastopensystem not reverting edits
Looking to the history, i guess that a mod tried revert the edits of bounced troper Incandescent Brood in Pokémon Anime - Team Rocket. Looking to the page itself, their edits stayed there.
openShould NationalStereotypes be folderized? It's seems quite long?
Should National Stereotypes be folderized
? It's seems quite long?
The only reason I'm not doing it myself is I forget how index tags work with the wicks inside folders, if the tags have to be in each folder, or if they automatically collect the wicks, even if they're inside folders.
Is there a page with info on the Index tags? Text Formatting Rules doesn't seem to be it...
openTroper/Yu-Gi-Oh-related question Anime
I've seen a yuugame2 around recently. There used to be a yuugame account that made the same sorts of edits they do—long-winded manga-based Yu-Gi-Oh entries with occasional downplaying or putting down the anime, IE
"Enemy Mine: In the manga, after his initial Monster World RPG with them, he occasionally and openly helps the main group, particularly during Duelist Kingdom and Dungeon Dice Monsters, and a couple of times he shows up then willingly gives Ryo back control of his body. After the Monster World arc, he decided that keeping Yugi alive until the Shadow RPG is more beneficial to his plans agenda than outright opposing him as he did in the original RPG. The only reason he openly helps the group is because their adversaries are getting in the way of his own plans, such as trying to kill Yugi and take the Millennium puzzle, and it's also a way to gain Yugi's trust and then easily stab him in the back afterward. He rarely has shades of this in the anime, where he's permanently in-control and impersonating Ryo, and the gang have no idea that the spirit of the Millennium Ring is controlling him."
Some of this entry also isn't true, as Ryo was in control of himself at times in the anime, albeit to a lesser extent, and he was being manipulated in the manga often as well. From the '2' in the account name I was wondering if anything had happened to the original yuugame account, too. The first yuugame went up to January 2.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=yuugame
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=yuugame2
openDoes Red And Wolf exist
Red And Wolf was created recently and I'm having trouble finding any other sources that confirm it's existence
The page itself says that information is scarce but could anyone please help me figure out if the creator is making things up
Edited by jormis29openEdit Warring on The Last Jedi
TastySauce has started edit warring
on The Last Jedi page over something really silly... putting capitals after an ellipsis. I'm not too sure myself what's the most correct form, but he should have called a discussion rather that just reiterate his last edit.
openInclusion of DesignatedHero in VillainProtagonist
26 Dec, THEKHAN added an example in Villain Protagonist. As the own example admitted that this was an example of Designated Hero(aka-a character that, despite his lack of heroic qualities is, where the history is concerned, a hero), i removed this with "Designated hero = not a villain" as edit reason. 1 Jan, THEKHAN readded the example with the following edit reason: "Yeah right. Stop defending a badly made plot by a high school misantrophe, would you? She and her entire race are villains, full stop. Full stop. The fanbase and the author itself claims that it has no real villains, but that's only really because the Drow are the creator's pets and are evil for the sake of being evil, but unlike the Dn D drow nothing about their society requires them to do any of the shit they do"
openTroper with Zero Context Example violations
I sent a ZCE Notifier to naal2
, who uncommented an Abhorrent Admirer Zero Context Example on Characters.Hercules. In response, they sent a pretty hostile PM back, saying that it wasn't a ZCE and that I should fix it myself. I answered that the entry should describe the character's behaviour that makes them the trope. They again sent a condescending PM in response to that.
Seeing they are reacting uncooperatively to Notifiers, maybe a mod could look into this.
They have a habit of this, as they also recently uncommented a ZCE on Characters.Sailor Moon Shadow Galactica, and made a ZCE entry on Dragon Ball Z Characters
.
openDouble Meaning in "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." ep "Afterlife" Live Action TV
While browsing the double meaning / double entendre tropes, I was surprised not to see Jemma and Fitz's conversation listed somewhere. On the surface they appear to be arguing about Jemma helping "The Real S.H.I.E.L.D." to whom Fitz is adamantly opposed. With a slight twist, though, it's really about Fitz, having realized Jemma's making a fake Toolbox, confirms he should appear to quit so he can get the real one to Coulson. I'd add it myself, but I'm not sure what trope it would fall under. (I also wish I could find the conversation online. I guess I'll have to re-download the ep from iTunes and transcribe it myself.)
openHeadscratchers pages for not yet released works Film
Is it right that we have Headscratchers pages for movies that have not yet been released? Someone has set one up for the Deadpool sequel and all it is is a complaint about one of the characters that will be in it. (Link: The Untitled Deadpool Sequel ) Isn't Headscratchers to answer questions about something you might not understand from a work's plot, not a demand to know why a character is in it, without knowing how the story plays out first?
On a similar note, the Headscratchers page for The Last Jedi is full of people complaining about something the film did and then not liking or accepting when they are given an answer. Can someone take a look over that, I don't trust myself enough to be impartial on that page and I don't want to end up cutting out too much or leaving in my own pet theory, if someone less involved in that fandom could take a look then I'd appreciate it.
I feel like the headscratchers pages are devolving back towards being complaint sinks like they were in the Just Bugs Me days, and that isn't good.
openNot responding to PM Videogame
What is the correct thing to do if someone else doesn't reply to a PM regarding the misuse of a trope, and I cannot change the page back myself for that would constitute edit warring?
For the record, the troper in question is plcthecd and the page is Age of Empires II.
openthis is probably going to sound weird... can we make People Sit On Chickens?
Can we make an Administrivia page that explains how just because something is uncommon, it's presence in media is not necessarily a trope. I explicated this just now in a TLP draft with the People Sit On Chickens thing (people commonly sit on different kinds of chairs, this person sits on a chicken instead, is Not A Trope). Like people don't often have Irish Accents, but simply having one is not a trope. There are ways for an Irish accent to be used for storytelling purposes, but just having one is not. I think having an administrivia page to say "Uncommon does not equal Trope" would be useful, because I think a lot of people think both that 1. being unusual in real life makes fictional appearances notable and 2. since Too Rare To Trope implies that things that are uncommon but not rare can be troped, they are automatically tropes.
Also, Too Rare To Trope does not cover this. The TLP I am specifically talking about is called Non-Binary, and is currently "This Work Has A Non-Binary Character" — that is not rare, in modern times it is not particularly uncommon, but the OP is saying that since non-binary characters are not as common as male and female characters, it is a trope. Obviously, how common something chairs is compared to an equally chairs similar thing has no effect on it being less chairs in itself. It's like doing nothing but sitting, but on chickens this time. (Now, if you're doing it to hide the chickens or to incubate their eggs, or because it's a giant mutant that you've trained in order to ride...)
open Kids show I watched as a toddler(I think) in early 2000 Western Animation
It's a little long and I'm sorry for that. But this is everything I remember and it bothers me immensely that I don't remember what the show was for some reason. The rest of this is a copy paste from a rather long text message I sent to a group chat with my friends because I'm tired and don't want to type it all out. They don't know anything either, probably because they all live in different areas than I do and I'm sure that this was a local station.
The TV I had in my room was a very small box TV. I think it had "bunny ears" as some people called them, but basically the antennae that were used to get signal or something along those lines. I rarely moved those I think, since I never used the tv to watch live television. Which brings me to how I wonder.... I would have my vcr/DVD player hooked up to it, obviously, because I have always needed light and noise to sleep for some reason. So I would put in one of my DV Ds of a movie or an episode of Angelina Ballerina (I watched that all the time back then) and I would press the repeat button on the remote to the player so it would repeat the whole thing on loop all night. But sometimes when I would wake up early on Sunday (or maybe Saturday, but I'm sure it was Sunday) mornings(like 6 am early) it would be playing this stop motion(I think) cartoon with animals and it had a male narrator who sounded like the same on on every other cartoon I watched. I can't remember if the animals had voices outside of random noises. I remember that the animation and film was low quality, even for early 2000s(more like especially for early 2000s). I checked— these didn't seem to be a part of any of the DV Ds I owned. I never caught the name of the show. My mom doesn't remember it at all, it seems. She remembers me having the TV (which I kept for about a year. I don't remember why we got rid of it, but I wanna say it stopped working since it was rather old) I also remember one morning I finally woke up and it was on again (for some reason I remember it only coming on every once in a while but it felt like forever back then) and I went to dragged my mom into my room so she could tell me the name of the show but it wasn't on anymore when we came back. Which might be a stretch, but I remember it that way, oddly. It's possible that that was one of the days she didn't want to get out of bed and took too long, so the show that had very short episodes was over. But I remember the TV being off or... something.
Okay I'm going to add something here because I don't wanna go through what I just pasted to see if I forgot or not. The show was stop motion/claymation. I think. Or it was extremely bad(especially for early 2000s) 3D animation. It depicted animals. I don't remember them talking, but there was a male narrator. I wanna say he was English, but that I'm not sure. The only specific scene/episode I remember is one where a character, who I think was an elephant, wanted to be special or was boring with who he was, or maybe he was only trying to find a talent for himself... yeah that's it I think. Anyway, he started talking to his friends about their talents and I don't remember all of them but I do remember him talking to a beaver then going home and putting mustard and/or ketchup on a tree and trying to eat the bark off of it, like the beaver does. And he got sad when it didn't go the way he planned. That's all I have, a few things in my memory might be fuzzy(like the story about the TV show seemingly just being off when I finally got my nana into the room, I could easily remember that one wrong) it I think I got the details of the show correct. I only described the TV because I think this channel was local or something. I grew up in Bullard, Texas. I want to say I was between 4-7 years old, but most likely 4 or 5 (2005-2006 area most likely.)
openVideoGame/SIMULACRA Videogame
VideoGame.SIMULACRA has several all white examples. I'd go through them myself, but I haven't played through the game and don't know what actually constitutes as a spoiler.
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast

Character A has a very big admiration to character B, they meet each other, Character A amazed sees or experiences the luxuries and trophies that made character B an idol of millions, all is well until... The truth is exposed, the Character B did something horrible in the past (whatever the motive is), did something that displeases the Character A or simply they he/she's not what character A expected to be, and character A is shocked and broken hearted very deeply, later on depending of the story character B either continues to commit more crimes, tries to escape or simply surrenders and tries to make amends after being confronted by character A. Now my question remains... Are they misguided? Are they Justified? Are they driven by anger for certain circumstances of their past? Or are they selfishly evil? I supose that depends of them, right?