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openYMMV Riverdale issues Live Action TV
The YMMV.Riverdale page is full of anti-Betty stuff mostly made by one troper, hiddenelastic, who's used Base-Breaking Character and Creator's Pet incorrectly. I sent a Pm about Word Cruft since it was the closest match but we might need to craft PMs about problem tropes like that, IE " Base-Breaking Character needs to acknowledge both sides of an argument" or "Creator's Pet must meet four specific criteria".
Examples:
"Base-Breaking Character: Betty, especially as of Season 2. Some fans argue that they find Betty annoying and hypocritical. Many fans opinions of her have changed for the negative after she blackmailed and threatened Cheryl in 2x02. Her self righteous attitude hasn't done her any favors with some of the fans either. The fact that a lot of fans feel that Betty is favored by the writers, doesn't help matters at all."
" Creator's Pet: Betty. Dear God, Betty. It's speculated that Betty is arguably the writer's favorite given how much focus they give her. This in turn has turned many fans off of Betty's character and they actually find her more annoying and boring, especially in Season 2. Many fans have complained that they wish the writers would stop putting so much focus on Betty and focus on other characters like Kevin, Josie, and especially Cheryl. "
Edited by lalalei2001open BewareQuietOnes -- personal bias, invalid example, vandalism
I don't know if this has already been done, but I'll call this person out anyways, just in case. So I just took a look at Satellite Character, and I noticed some extreme personal bias against Hinata in one of the Naruto entries. As pointed out in many of her examples in the Characters.Naruto Team Eight Members and as originally argued in the Discussion page for Characters.Naruto Naruto Uzumaki (see here
), Hinata is far more fleshed out than simply being Naruto's main love interest. In Chapter 78, Hinata admits to Neji that she wants to change herself because she hates herself for being weak, and she wants to be strong and be acknowledged by their clan. In Part II, Hinata protects Neji when he collapses in Chapter 540, cries when Neji sacrifices himself in Chapter 614, protects Neji's dead body in Chapter 616, recalls Neji training her in Chapter 633, pleads for Neji to protect Naruto in Chapter 662, dreams that Neji's alive in her genjutsu dream in Chapter 678, and mourns Neji at his funeral in Chapter 699. In The Last: Naruto the Movie (which is Canon), Hinata prioritizes saving her little sister Hanabi over everything else, including a chance to be with Naruto right after he confesses his love to her—to the point where Hinata "rejects" him for Hanabi. These are just a few examples of Hinata's actual characterization, with evidence taken directly from canon. Therefore, Hinata is not an example of Satellite Character.
Beware Quiet Ones was the troper who added the Hinata example. This is the only edit they have on here, and they entered this back on August 4th, but this one edit of theirs is extremely biased against Hinata, deliberately ignoring her characterization and Character Development. And I know for a fact that personal bias of any kind is not allowed here on TV Tropes. It's easily vandalism because this edit of theirs can easily be deleted because it's not a valid example of the Satellite Character trope.
Here is Beware Quiet Ones's edit history: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=BewareQuietOnes
Here is the edit history for Satellite Character: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.SatelliteCharacter&more=t
openIs someone trying to ban-evade through me?
If someone PM's you telling you to add some trope examples, but that person has been suspended, is that person trying to ban evade through you? I've heard of ban evading, and I think this person is trying to do that through me, but I'm not sure, so I came here to hopefully get an answer. I have not responded to these PM's (I've been sent at least two such PM's from the same person), because I know this person has been suspended and I'm not about to get my own self suspended a second time.
Edited by mouschilightopen HELP ME PLEASE
In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )
Before that line there was this line first : ( The name "Mary Sue" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie's Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality )
The essay reveals was this : http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.xhtml
While the " older than you think " was this : https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyThink
From what I understood the trope name it self or the term name it self wasn't there in 19-th-century, because from reading the first link they meant that the too perfect characters was there back then but the term Mary Sue it self wasn't created yet, but there was Mary Sues without the term being there, is that right ? Did I get it right ?.
And that what they wrote in the first link - The essay reveals - In the 19-cetunry part was this : ( Nineteenth-century versions appear in the pages of Robert Merry’s Museum. Founded in 1841 by Samuel Goodrich, by the time the magazine was absorbed by the Youth’s Companion in 1872 it had featured works by every major nineteenth-century American writer for children, from Goodrich to Alcott, Jacob Abbott, Mary Mapes Dodge, and Sophie May. It also published works by lesser literary lights, most notably the subscribers themselves, who made the magazine their own from 1857 to 1868. While boys tended to write non-fiction articles, girls most often wrote stories and poems—some about wonderful girls whose accomplishments and charms are tangibly appreciated by those around them. Emily Martin, who in 1862 saves a sleeping Indian chief from certain death by bear; Maia, whose gentleness and kindness are extolled by animals and elves in 1858; Unella, a white child raised by Native Americans in 1865, so lovable that she holds the entire village in a gentle thralldom; even little Ellen, who dies beautifully of her mother’s thoughtlessness in 1849—all have elements we associate with Mary Sue. )
which means from my understanding that there was Mary Sues in 19-century but the term it self the name of this trope it self wasn't there, the Mary Sue characters was there back then in 19-th-century making Mary Sue thing older than we think but not the name " Mary Sue " there was just too perfect characters nothing more or less, which means too perfect characters was always there, which we call them in our days Mary Sue by a someone in a fandom and the silly things start to came out after 70's and some people took this term too far, so since we have a term of too perfect character, even in 19-century, characters who are too perfect we can call them in our days Mary Sues, even if the term wasn't there back then, but the too perfect was still there, so originally the term Is made up, the too perfect was there even before the reason of this term came out in 70's, Mary Sues was still there even without the name of the trope or the term in the 19-th-century I really hope you answer me with simple small answer, thank you.
Note : if you want to know more about that to help me, here is Mary Sue trope link https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue
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openAHI-3000 and LGBT Self-Discovery
The draft LGBT Self-Discovery
has been attracting random discards and it was discarded for a third (fourth?) time without any comment. I don't know if it has been the same troper each time, but the most recent time was a mass discard spree by AHI-3000. I've looked at the drafts he discarded and I agree with all but this one. That said, silently discarding (i.e. not saying anything ahead of time) does not seem kosher. It isn't this troper's responsibility to discard drafts and it seems like he takes the TLP a bit... like his hangout. I say that knowing that he discards and launches drafts without comment from time to time.
If this particular draft wasn't having a silent discarder perennially discarding it, I honestly wouldn't think to comment about this since AHI-3000 usually seems in the right to discard what he does discard. But we — the people participating in that draft — seem to be in agreement that it isn't a duplicate, which was the main concern for that draft.
openQuotes/CompleteMonster could have a possible edit war?
There could be a possible edit war in the Complete Monster page for the quotes. A couple of weeks ago, I added this quote a while back but G-Editor doesn't believe this explains why Mephiles the Dark counts.
openTrouble understanding Administrivia Create New Redirects Western Animation
I recently made a page for Hey Arnold! The Movie and I'm trying to figure out how to make a Character page for it that redirects to the main characters page. I read the instruction on creating redirects, but they are a bit confusing to me and I want to confirm the process before I end up messing something up as I've never done this before. When I edit "Characters.Hey Arnold The Movie" do I just type in "[[redirect:Characters.Hey Arnold]]" and boom.?
Figured someone else might do it, but I have no idea when that might be, so I figured I'd try and do it myself.
Edited by thecarolinabull01openEdit War YMMV/XenobladeChronicles2
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.XenobladeChronicles2
I deleted this entry from Troper:Miin U
- Hilarious in Hindsight: Near the end of Bleach's run, it was finally revealed that Retsu Unohana had been feared and reknowned for her skill with a sword. So fans found it egregious that she was not only defeated by a child (Zaraki), but that she was so outmatched that said child held back to prevent himself from killing her. So it's amusing to see the same scenario play out again years later, when Doragi (another reknowned swordswoman) is defeated by Rex (a child). After Rex and his friends escape, she notes that he could've killed her, but also chose to hold back instead.
On the ground of improper use of a trope. Miin U and I have exchanged a few messages but we have not reached a concensus. However, Miin U went ahead and readded the entry.
Edited by SeptimusHeapopenspoiler policy violation
In the article Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask, there's a violation to the spoiler policy in the Apocalypse How example, as even the name of the trope is covered. I cannot fix the issue because I'm playing the game for the first time and don't want to be spoiled myself. There is also rampant misindentation, but I can fix gthem after I finish the game if nobody else does in the meantime.
openBendis' children
Comic book artist Brian Michael Bendis created the character Miles Morales. The YMMV page Brian Michael Bendis says that they are based on Bendis' children. I have removed that entry because it's false: according to this interview
, Bendis based Miles on Donald Glover. It was then restored, adding the info about Glover. However, is it a good idea to have this? Is it a legitimate concern, did some actual media pointed this, or is it just something made up by some fan? And if it is the second, Bendis himself is a public figure, but his children are not, should be have an entry talking about them?
open What to do about a rude edit reason?
I was casually browsing through the site when I came upon a rather rude edit reason left by someone. The edit reason wasn't directed at me personally or an edit that I made, but it was still needlessly vicious, and it seemed like something I should report. I noticed that you can click the "Send a message" button to send users an automatic message, and that "rudeness" is one of the issues that can be reported. However, I'm not really comfortable sending the rude user in question a PM myself (and having him/her see that I sent it) when it wasn't an issue that I was directly involved in.
So, my question is, is there another way to report rude edit reasons? I'm asking partly in regards to the rudeness I saw just now, but also for future reference in knowing what to do if I come across something like this again.
openBroader interpretation of Rescued from the Underworld?
So early on in Chrysalis Visits The Hague, Šarić organizes an expedition into the Everfree Forest to look for ponies who have gone missing in the recent-ish past, and they find a rather large (as in 350 trapped ponies) Changeling (do you capitalize it? I don't watch FiM) hive in a cave. I know that (strictly speaking) it's not a Rescued from the Underworld scenario (they don't literally go to the underworld), but it has a lot of elements thereof: there's a harrowing journey into a confined, dark place where several hundred ponies are trapped by a character who's a demon archetype, and there's a Cerberus equivalent (though they're both pretty messed up — strictly speaking, none of the ponies are dead until after they get rescued, and the Cerberus equivalent is a malnourished, brainwashed pegasus with a single booby trap).
Does this count as Playing with a Trope, maybe downplayed or subverted? Or am I playing Everyone Is Jesus in Purgatory games with myself?
Thanks.
Edited by XndrKopenSo, I want to create a work page for my review series? Web Original
Hello. I'll admit is kind of selfish, but, I used to work on a series of reviews for many years, even having some sort of mascot for it, and I wish to create a work page for it on this site. However, what rules should the workpage should have, since, well, you know, is my own work and I think there should be a restriction to it, right?
openExcessive Spoiler Tags in GE - Good Ending Anime
Earlier today, I Wiki Walked my way into GE - Good Ending and, to be blunt,the page was a mess. I've done what I can to deal with the worst of it (links to manga sites, multiple tropes listed together, example indentation, ZCE's... oh man the ZCE's...) but there's one issue I'm not sure how to handle: Spoiler tagging.
The spoiler tagging on the page and its subpages strikes me as very excessive. Several Wall of White entries for a start. A few spoilered trope names though I dealt with those. The thing is I don't know the series well enough to differentiate what is and is not a spoiler so I'm not sure what to uncover to keep things looking both good and correct.
I was wondering if anyone had some advice (or, if there's a forum thread for this kind of thing, point me in the right direction). I did look for a forum thread for GE itself, but had no luck.
Edited by sgamer82openCharacter Derailment misuse
From CharacterDerailment.Film:
- Loki became somewhat of a caricature of himself in Thor: Ragnarok. Though he had chronic backstabbing disorder and an overblown need for people to worship him in previous movies, these traits were flanderized in the last Thor film. Thor's character was also somewhat derailed, though not to the same extent. Though he wasn't entirely humorless in his previous appearances, in the most recent film he was constantly joking around about things that he would have previously been a lot more serious about. Both cases of character derailment seem to have been to change the tone of the series to make it more popular.
Exaggerating character traits is not a drastic enough change to qualify for this trope to my knowledge. Misuse?
openImage changed without discussion.
CH4S changed the image on Geek Physiques despite there being a comment to not change the image without creating an IP thread first. Already made an IP thread to decide what to do about the image itself. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1512775677026209700&page=1#1
openMarilyn Monroe page includes dubious fact. Film
I see this assertion on the Marilyn Monroe page: 'She was also romantic penpals with Portuguese dictator Antonio De Oliveira Salazar.' This is not only false, it's perfectly ludicrous. There are other false and ludicrous things said about Marilyn Monroe, but I've never even encountered this one before. Just for starters, then, Salazar was aged 50, in 1939. You might as well be saying that Marilyn Monroe corresponded with a pure-blood wizard, Salazar Slitherin. I have a broader question about how much I should hesitate about simply deleting something like this or adding things myself?

I'm struck by a particular character in Sea Quest DSV, named General Guzmano, who's played by Luis Guzman - it's strange to me that he plays a minor character with such a strangely similar name to his own, but... NOT appearing as himself(?)
Came here looking for the trope name and some more examples, but found nothing :-(... Maybe this isn't a typical enough thing to have a name? Maybe it's not even a trope kind of thing? I'd love to know