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openThis new troper here Anime
So I got a notification on my watchlist that the Characters.Naruto Team Eight Members character page was modified. I checked it out and saw that Rich 4 (he shows up as a "NEW ACCOUNT" on my watchlist) added Dandere to Hinata's section. However, while Hinata does fit the Dandere trope based on its description and Laconic and Playing With pages, the entry itself written by Rich 4 over-exaggerates Hinata's fainting tendencies—she faints only twice in the manga a.k.a. in Canon, while she faints a lot in the anime filler which is non-canon, the Rock Lee SD spin-off which is also non-canon, and a lot of Fanfics which are, well, fanon. So Rich 4 wrote false/exaggerated information in that example.
I want to fix the entry, but I don't want to cause an Edit War. Would my fixing the entry cause an Edit War? I just want to make sure before I do anything. Any advice would be very much appreciated.
Here is Rich 4's edit history: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Rich4
Here is the Characters.Naruto Team Eight Members edit history: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.NarutoTeamEightMembers
openYMMV/StevenUniverse and N8han11
Yesterday, N8han 11 deleted this "To Be Fair" part of the "Steven's Dream" section of What An Idiot with no edit reason:
- To Be Fair: Garnet saw at least one possibility where Steven still went despite being told that Blue Diamond was there.
The YMMV page and it's history
.
openInappropriate Armchair Diagnoses on ST Discovery pages Live Action TV
Hi... UGH! I've been tempted to make a couple edits to the Star Trek Discovery pages... in particular the various, rather un-clinical claims that Cadet Tilly's "special needs" are "code for some form of Autism." But I thought doing so would touch off an editing war, so I'm bringing it here.
I am a veteran of 8 years in Autism services and I find these armchair diagnoses very frustrating. I don't think "Ambiguous Disorder" would be inappropriate to list on the character page or the main page in reference to Tilly, but 1) for context, it's clear her "special needs" have to do with allergies, this was estalbished in the first ep where she appears. 2) Being socially awkward in itself is NOT enough to make a clinical diagnosis of Autism. 3) I wouldn't care so much about this if it didn't come off like a bunch of amateurs offering armchair diagnosis of "Autism" based on a character who is socially awkward and sometimes blurts odd things out, and 4) if I didn't think that this contributed to a serious public misunderstanding of Autism and to problems created where persons in online subcultures relentlessly self-diagnose (and try to justify behavior they know is inappropriate by appealing to their clinically uninformed self-diagnosis.)
As someone trained to assess for and diagnose Autism, who can genuinely speak from an expert opinion on this subject, I see ZERO traits of Autism in Tilly. The armchair overdiagnosis is, no pun intended, a "symptom of a broader disease" that we in social work are trying to bring attention to: the problem of "over-medicalization" or "over-pathologization." If Tilly presented with significant sensory or communication challenges, I'd be more open to other tropers' armchair diagnoses, but there is ZERO clinical basis for the claim that Tilly "offers a more realistic portrayal of Autism" than actual intended portrayals of Autism in other media that have actually been established by "Word of God" and/or in canon, in-universe (IE Max in Parenthood), or implied much more directly by other observed behaviors (like Holtzman in the new "Ghostbusters.")
Sorry, guys, but as an expert in Autism, I don't see it. The truth about behavioral health is that lots of people can be socially awkward at times without requiring a mental health diagnosis to justify human diversity.
Can we please be more judicious about this on the Star Trek Discovery pages? For the sake of not over-pathologizing/over-medicalizing the degree to which social skills vary in human beings even without Autism? Can we PLEASE stop labeling every character in fiction who sometimes struggles with social skills as "Autistic?" Or at least acknowledge this could be YMMV and link to Useful Notes: Autism for a more clinically informed persepective/comparison?
I apologize if this strikes a nerve with Trek fans who themselves have Autism and want to believe Tilly is Autistic too because it's positive to see someone who reminds them of themselves on a Federation Starship. But that's still wishful thinking that has yet to be directly behaviorally implied or confirmed by "Word of God" and there's even a lot of evidence that Tilly is not supposed to have Autism in-universe.
Edited by FTDopenHandling Spoilers re: Character Page Folder Titles
Administrivia.Handling Spoilers states:
First of all, I see this rule violated fairly often with "spoiler character" folders all over the place, but this isn't the place to discuss that. The question lies in what to do with those folders once we find them.
In a recent edit to Characters.All New Wolverine, I simply replaced the "spoiler character" folder name with a vague description and added a "(SPOILERS)" warning. It's not the best way to handle this and I hate putting in spoiler warnings where people should already expect to be spoiled, but it avoids being a Self-Fulfilling Spoiler, it lets readers who haven't reached that point avoid the spoiler, and it doesn't make it hard for people who are spoiled to guess where that character's entry is.
Is my approach right?
openThinking of removing the spoiler part from an entry on "Atrocious Alias"
In an issue of X-Factor the heroes are confronted by a villain calling himself Number One Fan (with spinning blades as his main weapons) leading one member of X-Factor to comment that "We must be just about tapped out of silly names to call ourselves". When Kitty Pryde heard of the name "Negasonic Teenage Warhead," her reaction was similar: "Wow, we really have run out of names." (Spoiler: Negasonic Teenage Warhead had been dead since the Genoshan massacre. Before her death, she planned to name herself after the song. (Furthermore, her death caused Emma Frost a mental breakdown. Suddenly, not so funny...)
I am considering removing the spoiler, because it feels rather forced. Do you think I should proceed?
openAdvanced Edit Request Videogame
Will someone who has played the game please edit the NFS Payback trope page?
I made a few additions, but I haven't played the game myself.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/NeedForSpeedPayback
openPokemon Wham Episodes. Anime
From Wham Episode.Anime, I question the following from Pokémon.
- EP-015 "Battle Aboard the St. Anne". Giovanni appears for the first time and orders Team Rocket to attack the St. Anne, Ash trades his Butterfree for a Raticate (but later trades it back) and at the end the ship sinks with the group on board.
- EP-134 "Charizard's Burning Ambitions". Ash leaves Charizard, one of the anime's most loved Pokemon on the Charricific Valley.
- AG-044 "The Princess and the Togepi" and AG-045 "A Togepi Mirage". Misty comes back with new clothes, is revealed to own a Gyarados (depends if you are watching Chronicles on their Japanese air date), her Togepi evolves, and it's then released to take care of the Togepi paradise.
- AG-132 "The Scheme Team". The group separates and Ash comes back to Kanto. Ash encounters Agatha, who is the Viridian Gym Leader here and battles her. Then finds out about the battle Frontier and decides to challenge it. Then he finds Misty and an Azurill in his house, and Max also arrives there.
- DP-062 "Tanks For The Memories". Dawn gets depressed and stops believing in herself. Couple that with season-named sisters, one of them falling for Brock and Ash crossdressing as a maid, and you get an unforgettable episode.
- DP-189 "The Semi-Final Frontier". One of the most influential episodes within the fandom. Ash gets to the Sinnoh League semifinals, where he finds a strong trainer named Tobias. After many losses Ash gets to beat his Darkrai, but Tobias is then revelated to own a Latios who ends up at a tie with Ash's Pikachu, leaving Ash with no Pokémon left and thus eliminated from the League. Additionally, when the episode finished airing on Japan, Ash's return as the protagonist in the Best Wishes series was announced, complete with his controversial eye style change.
- BW-001 "In the Shadow of Zekrom". Another influential episode, but this time thanks to the rather trivial fact that Ash is still 10 years old. Additionaly, the battle between Pikachu and Snivy is also controversial and people still talk (or complain) about it today.
- BW-018 "Sewaddle and Burgh in Pinwheel Forest!" Ash captures Sewaddle, breaking the format of Ash capturing only six Pokemon per Region. Ash would go on to catch nine Unova Pokémon.
- BW-023 "Battling For The Love of Bug-Types!". The previous two episodes (that featured Team Plasma vs Team Rocket) were banned, so there were a lot of questions unanswered, and this episode at least provided the answer to one of them: Team Rocket lost. As a result of that, Team Rocket came back to their usual selves dressed in white, and acted a bit funny. Additionaly, Ash's Sewaddle evolves, James caughts a Yamask and Ash gets his third Unova badge.
- BW-096 "Meloetta and the Undersea Temple!" and BW-097 "Unova's Survival Crisis". Team Rocket gets to control Meloetta, Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus, Ash faces Giovanni for the first time, albeit briefly, Giovanni gets mad for power but loses in the end, causing Team Rocket to be withdrawn from Unova.
- XY-060 "A Showcase Debut". Serena participates on her first Pokemon Showcase, but loses in the Theme Performance round. Early the next morning, Serena goes to a dock and cries for her failure, but after being reconfortated by her Pokemon, she proceeds to cut her hair and change her style permanently. Additionaly, a mysterious woman and a former performer named Palermo is introduced.
- XY-062 "The Future Is Now, Thanks to Determination!" Clemont's Luxio evolves, but more importantly, Clemont decides to leave the group temporarily in order to prepare his battle with Ash. This is the first instance of a travel companion leaving the group in the middle of a series, though Clemont comes back after said battle.
- XY-064 "Battling with Elegance and a Big Smile!" The writers really were on a good run here. Serena meets her idol Aria (disguised as Ariana) and gets to battle her, with her Fennekin evolving into Braixen in the process. Also, Ash's rival Sawyer gets an Early-Bird Cameo.
- SM-021 "One Journey Ends, Another Begins..." The episode begins with the recurring Litten panicking and worried because the elderly Stoutland that took it in hasn't been in good health. Ash and Nurse Joy do what they can, but it isn't injured or sick. Stoutland dies of old age.
Any objections/thoughts?
openTroper editing with questionable phrasing.
Troper Euodiachloris made some entrees to the Dark Souls character page for the Dark Souls: Main Characters and Lords and the overall phrasing seems really poor to me. For example;
- Determinator: Kaathe keeps trying to end the Age of Fire, no matter how many poor saps get corrupted in the meantime. If he'd been less bull-headed in trying full-on people-experiments in closely-related places, he might have been able to step back and ask himself a little more about what connected all the failures. Instead of victim-blaming people, he might have found clues to look a little more at the flipping seal in the actual Ringed flipping City and wasted a whole lot less of everybody's time on religious frippery and lies.
This seems to be filled with a lot of natter plus the overall entree really feels off.
open Acceptable Religious Targets content negotiation
It looks like a Double Standard is at work here from where I'm standing, and the page's opening Warts and All is only applied to some beliefs and not others on that page. The article seems to tip-toe around some beliefs (such as Judaism, atheism and Scientology; of course there may a level of real-life You Wanna Get Sued? making people tip-toe around Scientology), but go all out on others (such as Christianity and Islam) on that page; otherwise why is it acceptable for the page to say, and I quote "the defining criticism of Christianity is hypocrisy" (though it does state that hypocrisy is not limited to Christianity or the religious) and criticize Christianity's anti-LBGT stance (while it does mention homophobia existing in Buddhism) but not mention the negative stereotype about Judaism (the prejudiced stereotype of Jews being greedy, one example of such is Shylock from Shakespeare's "The Merchant of Venice")? That would be a textbook example of discrimination, prejudice and a Double Standard.
I do not say, think, or believe that all Jews are greedy (every creed has some greedy members anyway). I made edits to the Christianity folder to try and make it smaller, more compact, while still keeping the grievances mentioned. My goal here is to make the Christianity folder more compact while keeping the facts mentioned, list some of the discrimination and negative stereotypes Jewish people have faced and describe some of the details of anti-religious discrimination in the atheism section ([[several https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/anti.html
]] examples
can
be seen
in these links
(I list them because the nature of anti-religious discrimination by atheist regimes seems to be an obscure fact).
I listed reasons that had been given for Antisemitism (similar to how how the Christianity sections lists at length the various grievances people have with Christianity and the Islam section below Judaism lists the various grievances people have with Islam). I don't have grievances with Judaism itself, though I am not Jewish. As for the atheism section it's a fact that several atheist regimes have been responsible for violent persecution of the religious (I added the example of North Korea killing people for having Bibles because it's the most egregious example of anti-religious prejudice that I know. Several more
examples
can
be seen
in these links
).
So how can these points raised be addressed? (It would be disingenuous to sweep them under the rug or whitewash them)
Edited by SkidTroperopenNeed Verification of Existence of Jojo Meme
On the YMMV page of Battle Tendency, I found this Memetic Mutation entry:
Ahh! Sto-sama is dead!/あーん!スト様が死んだ! : Tankobon releases of the manga used to have a section for fan-submitted art. One of the pieces chosen was of the slightly unhinged artist bawling on Straizo's chest at the end of the volume in which he dies. Likely kicked off because of the hilarious Fangirl Self Insert going on, and goes to show you that Estrogen Brigades as we know it (and the Draco in Leather Pants aspect of Fan Dumb for that matter) predate the Internet by a loooooong shot.
Nonetheless, a quick search yielded nothing, and now, I am starting to suspect that it does not actually exist.
openIsaac Heller and Pokemon Spoilers Videogame
I'm a bit worried that the Troper Isaac Heller is adding story related spoilers from Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon to various pages, but I don't want to spoil myself from this aspect, so I'm not willing to check his edits.
Edited by PDLopenThe Emoji Movie page problems Western Animation
The main Emoji Movie page has a lot of weird, shoehorned examples, as does the YMMV page, mainly about how Smiler was right and/or the movie broke its own aesops. Most of the pertinent entries were written by the same troper, MeaJae97.
Examples:
"
- If Jailbreak is meant to be a strong independent minded female role model, then why does she learn to fit in with the expectations of society? It seems to suggest that you can only save the day by following tradition. And why does the movie treat her as being selfish for rejecting Gene's fairy-tale views of romance?
- If the movie was supposed to mock the excessive use of technology, then this was sure as hell broken when sending a text ultimately saves the day. Also, none of the human characters learn the drawbacks of their obsession with technology.
- Hi-5 has to learn to stop being a narcissistic jerk and yet he still yearns for popularity through the entire movie. After he says he learned his lesson, he shouts about how "they love us" without any humility. Lesson learned.
- For a movie where women "have limitless potential"
there don't seem to be any interestingly written female characters. The generic order obsessed villain, the generic princess, the generic tough girl, and the generic love interest. Note that the only female character of significance other than the villain fits three out of those four characters.
- Wisecrack Edition made the case that
the lesson of "you should reject societal expectations and express who you truly wish to be" couldn't escape unbroken. Sure, Smiler was defeated and the Emojis learn that it's perfectly fine to express more than one emotion. However, there is still the fact that they are stuck with one function, to serve Alex. What a brilliant life. Emojis were invented for this very specific purpose, so Textopolis is a terrible metaphor. The movie constantly validates the idea that they should only peruse society's intended purpose for them. In Real Life, this can easily prevent people from being themselves.
- If Emojis wanted to become more than merely vessels of conveying ideas, then Alex could simply delete them as they would have outlived their usefulness. After all, Gene didn't stop the phone from being erased. It was Alex who prevented it because his crush was so Easily Impressed.
- Aspects of the caste system still remain intact as the unpopular Emojis remain in the Loser Lounge.
- Jailbreak learns to stop valuing freedom and reverts back to being a Princess.
- Gene quickly discards the idea of leaving the phone forever.
- Hi-5 never dumps his narcissistic ways."
"* Unwitting Instigator of Doom: If the villain had simply had her way, then the movie would be far shorter. And audiences would be better off as a result.
- Well-Intentioned Extremist: Smiler tries to delete Gene because she sees him as an existential threat to the safety of Textopolis."
openCan this page be restored to an earlier version?
I was wondering if a mod could restore Anti Heroes to an earlier version because someone messed up the page and i cannot fix it myself for some reason.
open Recaped episodes are still said to be not indexed Live Action TV
Normally, after indexing the main Recap page itself, a blank edit on that is enough to index the individual episode pages, but for some reason it just doesn't work on The Punisher
. Is that simply a bug or is there an editing error? Help would be appreciated :)
openSticky Example Removal Situation
This might be me tattling on myself a bit, but okay.
On the Red Hood and the Outlaws page, I added an entry for Off-Model that applied to some guest characters for one issue. User Tzitzimine deleted this entry, and I replaced it. I figured that adding back a valid entry wouldn't count as Edit Warring, but I suppose it might. If so, my apologies. If I have to face the consequences of that, that's fair.
Anyway, Tzitzimine removed the entry again, with the edit reason that while the entry is valid, it belongs on the page for the series those guest characters are from. Not wanting to for sure cause an Edit War, I messaged them about it, saying that since the Off-Model example doesn't occur in that other series, it doesn't belong there, and to please add it back in.
That's where things stand now.
openWeird Entry in Replacement Goldfish of Anime - Do not Know what to do with it
So I was looking in Replacement Goldfish Anime page, and look at what I found:
There are two Replacement Goldfish relationships that complement and parallel each other. The orphaned Elric brothers take on their alchemy teacher Izumi as a mother figure, while Izumi herself had a stillborn child and now accepts the Elrics as surrogate children. Considering the result is pretty consistently a pus-oozing, organ pile, sin against God, you'd think people would learn eventually.
I can't tell if this is something understandable in context or just vandalism. Could someone please clarify this to me, so that I can proceed on?
openreporting review
This review
is about the work's TV Tropes article, rather than the work itself. I think I reported it way back when (I assume so, since I can't click the flag button) but there's been no change. Can I report it again somewhere?

The character page claims that Donald Mcarthur (A priest who rapes, tortures, and kills young boys) is a homosexual. I do not think that's correct. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that most pedophiles that target children of their own gender self identify as gay. Should that be deleted?