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openArthur Election Episode Western Animation
Does this entry from FunnyAneurysmMoment.Western Animation (not written by me) break the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment? I haven't touched it because I don't have neutral views on how the election turned out.
- The Arthur episode "The Election"
is about a mock election that Arthur's third grade class holds as they learn about the American government. Muffy is an ambitious female candidate with Power Hair, Arthur is a down-to-earth candidate who wants to help people out, and Binky is a self-aggrandizing Cloud Cuckoolander candidate with unfeasible ideas who somehow wins the election. Fifteen years after this first aired, it comes across as an uncanny prophecy for the 2016 U.S. presidential election, with Muffy as Hillary Clinton, Arthur as Bernie Sanders, and Binky as Donald Trump.
openListing Tropes On A Creator's Page That Have Examples On Other Pages
When I was trying to put a trope on Stephen Sondheim's page and I had examples to boot, a troper had taken it down because the examples already had the trope listed in their own example lists and that "the example list on the creator page is only for examples that don't have anywhere else to go." I was unable to find examples on the site that weren't already on the work's page itself. However, if this trope has appeared in a number of the creator's works (5+), shouldn't it be acceptable to put that trope on the creator's page? I was just curious to see how this worked so that I know properly for next time. Hope you have a good day.
Edited by SeptimusHeapopenSelf-demonstrating - flipping the bird
Piterpicher made a self-demonstrating page for Flipping the Bird, although all it contains is ASCII art of said hand gesture. Is this kosher?
Edited by Tenma-YuukiopenBadass Decay on YMMV/Sonic Forces Videogame
This trope was originally removed from YMMV.SonicForces as it "now argues with itself", but people keep adding it back in:
- Badass Decay: Silver's been hit hard with this. The guy who can handle Iblis, more than capable of killing Sonic and his powers are strong enough to the point where he can compress tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of pounds of cars and debris into a massive ball...can't handle a few Death Egg Robots.
Silver: "Hurry, Sonic! We can keep them in check, but not for long."
Should I remove it again?
Edited by BSonirachiopenTheirself or themself?
I'm doing a mass edit on the Soul Nomad & the World Eaters page to change most of the pronouns for Revya, a character who can be either male or female, to "they" or "them" from "he/she" or "him/her". However, I'm unsure of what to do with "him/herself". Do either of the above work or is there better word to put in it's place?
Also, is "they" or "them" preferable to "he/she" or "him/her"? What exactly is the policy for characters whose gender can be chosen and don't have default options?
Edited by AkoSiKuya23openAccidentally created a page without meaning to.
Can you delete a page you accidentally created. I was trying to create a separate Trope for page for a Big Hero 6 fanfic I like. It's called The Pulse. But as it turns out, there's a comic book series with the same title. (The comic is a Marvel series written by Brian Michael Bendis And It redirected me to a Fan Works page with the Comic Book and YMMV pages for the Pulse. The BH 6 fanfic itself is in no way related to the Pulse comic book. I just wanted to know if there's some way to delete the Fan Fic page. Here's the link: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanFic/ThePulse
If you can help me, it would be much appreciated.
openAbout self demonstrating character pages?
I've been having fun with the Self Demonstrating pages and I have two questions.
- I kind of want to make a page for Ned Flanders from The Simpsons, but am not sure how to write how he talks. I know he uses the words "neighbourino" and "diddly", but how does he talk exactly?
- I've been making pages for Rugrats characters, but do I give Phil and Lil separate pages or should they share a page?
openBlatant Lies Real Life
The "Not Real Life" folder for Blatant Lies starts with "This kind of lie has never actually worked in Real Life. Therefore, what follows are all aversions and subversions." But most of the following Real Life examples are straight uses.
The line was added by Thesedaysthosedays, I can't see anything to suggest it wasn't a unproved unilateral decision. Is it supposed to be a self-demonstrating?
Also, they added political examples to it violating ROCEJ
, and we cut BlatantLies.Real Life Politics And War because of the controversy.
What should be done?
openNo title
This example from CriticalResearchFailure.The Nostalgia Critic feels a little opinion-based to me, but I'm not sure. What do you think?
- In his Editorial, "Can Hype Kill a Good Film?", he makes some egregious errors about people not thinking films like Frozen are good, but overhyped. The biggest one, especially if you're a troper, is that he states that Hype Backlash is where people liked something already, but they turned away from it because it got so insanely popular in the marketing and people talking about it. That's actually the definition of It's Popular, Now It Sucks!. Hype Backlash is actually defined as when people hear all the praises of something so much, that when they finally sit down to watch, read, or try whatever it is, they don't see what the big deal is about. Such is the case with Frozen. Many people don't see what the big deal is with the film for several reasons; such as it being derivative of other Disney works, like The Lion King, being a major argument, the songs not being that great, fans of the film saying it shows a pro-feminist message or is about gay rights, which it outright doesn't and isn't (as said by the people who worked on it), people saying it's the best Disney film in years when it has several contenders (like Big Hero Six, most Pixar movies, Meet the Robinsons, etc), etc. Most people who don't constantly sing its praises just see it as "meh", as it's not necessarily a bad film, but it's also not as great as others claim for them. Doug seems to not have gotten the memo, though, as he's repeated the wrong information about the trope in some of his V-Logs, literally saying something along the lines of, "they already liked it, but the hype killed it for them." While there could be people that did like the film, but that happened, that's still not the right trope. Nowadays, many people who are curious about the film go into it with a grain of salt because of how overhyped it's gotten. It's definitely weird because you'd expect Doug to know what Hype Backlash is already, seeing as he's reviewed films as the Critic, and himself, where most of his opinions on why they suck can, partly, be chalked up to not getting, or hating, the hype around them. Again, The Lion King being a major one.
openLunatic0verlord and complaining
Lunatic0verlord seems to habitually add negative comments
or irrelevant details to the page and/or the edit reasons.
- Fire Emblem
: added "for some reasons" because "It makes about as much sense as Emalf's Latino Accent."
- Fake Crossover: adding "Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE might just be one of the fakest crossovers there is." because "I can't call it a REAL Crossover. So it can only be a fake one."
- Invincible Hero: adding "Alice from the Resident Evil Movies. She goes from an unbeatable Badass Normal to an overpowered Empowered Badass Normal across the films. Has hardly faced many things that she could consider a threat to herself and as if that wasn't enough, in order to ensure her invincibility, EVERYONE around her is an Adaptational Wimp (yes, even Nemesis and Wesker)!" because "I guess that's the closest thing we have to talk about her Mary Sue traits."
- Heartwarming.South Park The Stick Of Truth: added "However, they seem to drop it after what he did to Chef, not batting an eye over Cartman pushing him down his fortress.]]" because "What he did to Chef was totally uncalled for. But what Cartman did to him was totally called for."
- Rookie Red Ranger: added "(and, in Echoes, there's Fernand who outright LEAVES in frustration)" because "As a major villain, it's important to mention Fernand." which has nothing to do with the trope, and seems to be there purely to point out "Canon Foreigner gets UPSET".
- Adaptational Wimp was where I first noticed something seemed off... replacing "Alice" with "Alice (and even then, she's a Canon Foreigner)" because "Less flame baity, Alice is exclusive to the films". It seems someone spoke to them because they later changed "[[CreatorsPet Alice]]" to "[[BoringInvincibleHero Alice]]" because "Apparantly that Trope isn't allowed either... Guess that leaves only one option..."
openSpider-Man's a Bourgeois Bohemian? Film
I found an entry for They Changed It, Now It Sucks! on the YMMV page for Spider-Man: Homecoming where it talks about how the movie got rid of some Peter's self-sufficient traits. I don't have much of a problem with that, but around the end of the entry it calls Peter a Bourgeois Bohemian and I have no idea if it's using the trope correctly,
- While fans like the idea of a Spider-Man in a Shared Universe, many don't appreciate how Marvel have placed him more or less as a Heroic Wannabe training to be part of the Avengers, and being a sidekick to Tony Stark who designs his original outfit and gives him a bunch of upgrades. This in effect robs MCU Spider-Man of the very qualities that made him unique when he first came out (an independent teenage superhero who was his own man, who made his own stuff and was not anyone's sidekick). As fans note, the original Spider-Man in the Lee-Ditko era invented his own costume,spider signal, web-shooters and spider tracers whereas here, except for the web-fluid, most of that was handed to him on a silver platter and the central dramatic tension of the film's third part (Peter proving he can be a tough superhero without his gadgets) makes Spider-Man's triumph not so much that of an underdog scrapper pushing above his weight and resourcesnote So much so that when Green Goblin finally found Spider-Man's Secret Identity he couldn't believe that his enemy was a teenager since he, like all of Spider-Man's rogues believed they were fighting an Experienced Protagonist but a Bourgeois Bohemian proving he's more bohemian than bourgeois to his mentor, which needless to say is not very relatable to many in the audience.
I don't think this is a correct usage of Bourgeois Bohemian, as Peter is not upper-class and doesn't display the overt liberal traits that the trope requires. Is this shoehorning?
open User-ish conflict
I'm a bit concerned with the Critical Research Failure section on this page
. Now, first things off, I'm not calling it inaccurate, the poster is entirely correct, but I feel as if the troper who posted this, The Nerf Guy, is being needlessly vindictive and Nattering on; even if these weren't understandable errors to make (lord knows I used to get confused about the first, and the second used to be a thing before the rules changed).
Is that just me?
And yes, to clarify, I was made aware of this by the now-banned Maedar. Since editing on behalf of a banned user is grounds for banning, this is why I have not edited the page myself (which would technically have been strike two for me, I believe), and instead sought another opinion to (hopefully prevent bias).
openEditWar
Characters.RWBY Salem's Faction has had a multi-troper edit war going on for a couple of days.
I took the example Even Evil Has Standards to the Discussion Page on the 24th October (stating that in an edit reason), but Occasional Exister readded the trope without edit reason on the 25th. I flagged that on ATT at the time (it's over the page but I don't know how to link directly to it). It was removed again on the 26th October by a different troper, and then readded again on the 28th October by yet another troper, who switched a Pragmatic Evil entry into the contested Even Evil Has Standards trope. In that time, no-one has gone to the discussion page to discuss it. While it's been a different troper every single time (so no troper has come back to this a second time), the trope itself clearly needs to be discussed.
(Edited to clear up exactly what's gone on with the trope now that I've carefully read the history page.)
Edited by Wyldchyldopen Idk Anime
I'm trying this remember this anime, but I can't find it. So in the first episode there was this guy who couldn't find his dad and he was with another guy and girl. His dad however left him this machine that summoned a white polar bear. Around episode 3 the girl got a machine herself and named it charger.
openMeta WMG
There is this long WMG added by Excelsior123 to the Teen Titans Go page
that looks more like it is theorising about Cartoon Network than the show itself. Should it be removed?
openLeaked content policy?
There have been more than a few things lately that have broken their street dates which has had me wondering if we have a policy for leaked content and if we should if we don't. I myself don't have a specific viewpoint but the various leaks lately have made me wonder if it should be addressed.

Do we need Orwellian Retcon and George Lucas Altered Version to be different tropes?. Both are about making changes to older works, not simply in canon (that's a retcon) but actually modifying the copies of the work itself. But one seems to be about making changes with an agenda, and the other for mere changes to make things look better. I think that's too little, perhaps both should be merged into a single one.