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openClarification On This Live Action TV
From Mean Character Nice Actor Live Action TV
- Mark Pellegrino has pretty much built his career on playing assholes that include abusive husbands, Jacob and Lucifer. In real life, he is a devout christian and family man who comes across as very sweet, relaxed, funny and very appreciative of fans.
But from Wikipedia:
- Pellegrino was born in Los Angeles, California. He is an adherent of Objectivism, a philosophy created by Russian-American writer Ayn Rand.[4] Pellegrino does not identify as a libertarian. Though he considers this description to be the closest to his political views, he considers libertarianism to be an anarchist political ideology and has distanced himself from this ideology, describing himself solely as an Objectivist, stating that he sees a place for government in society.[5][6][7][8] He has described his political views, instead, as classical liberalism,[9] and has also described himself as a radical capitalist.[6] He is married to Tracy Aziz and is the stepfather of her daughter Tess.[10]
- Pellegrino is an atheist.[11]
Did someone pull the bit about him being a Christian out of their ass, or has renounced faith at some point?
Edited by shoboni
Migrated to Chloe Jessica!
openSelfDemonstrating.SuperboyPrime Print Comic
ComicBook.Superboy Prime redirects to SelfDemonstrating.Superboy Prime. First off, I'm not even sure if the character has a distinct enough voice to qualify for a SD page. Secondly, SD pages aren't supposed to be linked to, they're Just for Fun, correct? I feel like this should be cutlisted, or at least the redirect removed.
Edited by razorrozar7
Migrated to Chloe Jessica!
openFilm.Basket
Why does this page even still exist? It's acknowledged on the page itself that the work is fictional. This is not the purpose of the wiki. Even if the page needs to be kept for some reason, it's in the wrong namespace. I'm not sure there's even a right namespace.
Furthermore the page hasn't been edited at all since its creation, other than some edit-war blanking and unblanking, and someone doing proper namespacing on it. It has exactly one crosswick, as well.
openHow do I revive a forum?
I once started a forum about an upcoming game a while back. However, I made the mistake of starting it with just links to other websites. Rather then handle it calmly and maturely, I asked for the thread to be nuked because I was wallowing in self-hatred at the time. I would like to try to revive the thread and asked the person who nuked it if I could start it again, but they haven't replied back.
openEdit Warring?
On Characters.Punch Out, I had removed a modified trope name because tropes and works should be directly linked instead of potholed in examples. AgentSkyblueM7 added it back
under the edit reason that "this is meant to keep up with the sports theme". I'm pretty sure that justification shouldn't fly, but unfortunately I can't revert it myself because it'd be Step Three of edit warring. So a moderator will have to do it themselves and make the troper know that potholing a trope's or work's name when listing its example isn't allowed.
openReporting a troper
I would like to report Tropers.Lady Jane Grey due to issues with Handling Spoilers, Parabombing, and Word Cruft. Their edit history
.
I messaged them today regarding the Word Cruft, but not only have they not replied, but they have continued making edits without correcting the mess.
The example I messaged them about is this one added to Casanova Wannabe yesterday
:
* Alito in ''Anime/YuGiOhZexal'' tries to charm and romance Katori, ultimately seeing Yuma as a rival for her affection. (Ironically, Yuma [[ChasteHero doesn't see her that way at all]].) His lame, hammy, and sappy attempts fall flat and come off as silly. (Seeing as [[AntiVillain he's a Barian]], it's rather awkward anyway; he doesn't even recognize Yuma as an enemy until ''after'' seeing him as a rival for Katori.)
Parabombing is present in this example. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't parabombing count as Word Cruft? And does it really fit the trope itself?
Another example has to do with Handling Spoilers. On the 23rd of July
, they added this to Literature.Harry Potter And The Chamberof Secrets:
* LeeroyJenkins: [[spoiler:At first, it is assumed that Hermione was petrified because she acted like this, looking for the Chamber alone and unprepared. In truth, the Trope is ''seriously'' subverted. She ''was'' prepared, the reason she wasn't ''killed''.]]
We have improper capitalization, you can't "seriously" subvert a trope, and examples shouldn't be whited out, even if the trope itself remains visible.
Just today
, they added four examples to IneffectualSympatheticVillain.Comic Books:
* The there was Signalman. Supposedly, he was a crook who figured he needed some gimmick to be successful, so taking inspiration from the Bat-Signal, he embarked on crimes where, like the Riddler, he left clues for the hero. But signals just don't grab a fan's attention as much as riddles do, and his costume looked like some kid scribbled all over it. * Calendar Man started out like this. Julian Gregory Day (three puns in one there) committed crimes on holidays with an appropriate theme. (Like dressing as Uncle Sam on Independence Day and robbing historic museums.) And he made really bad puns doing it. Still, in recent years he's become a little more serious and seen in darker stories, becoming a ''little'' better and less of a joke. * Charlie Brown, the notorious Kite Man. ([[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Not making this up]], this lame ShoutOut even crashed into a tree in one story and yelled "Rats!") Obsessed with kites, he committed crimes with a rocket-powered hang glider, until he was killed off and [[OldShame never mentioned again.]] * One would think that a character designed by legends Bob Kane and Bill finger would be A-list, but the Penny Plunderer was anything but. Joe Coyne (uh, yeah) was a newspaper seller who was fired for stealing pennies, and turned to crime over an obsession for them. But it gets worse. This was the ''original owner of the giant penny'', the one in the Batcave. DC was so embarrassed by this story, they gave it a RetCon that made the villain RetGone, attributing the giant penny to Two-Face and banishing the Penny Plunderer from canon.
Parabombing is present. Additionally, a typo in the first example, which I'm assuming to be "then" instead of "the", makes it come off as natter.
On the 21st of July
, they took the properly indented Sad Clown trope and put it under Non-Ironic Clown as a second-level bullet. Both are ZC Es.
Looking through my messages, I thought I had messaged them about Handling Spoilers, too, but it would seem I messaged someone else about it instead. The message regarding Word Cruft at least still stands.
Edited by TheNerfGuyopenPoe Dameron -- the troper
The troper Poe Dameron (edit histroy
) has serious issues with making links. They never, really never, use a namespace for works; often have trouble with braces or square brackets, sometimes using both (e.g. {[Wiki Word Wiki word}]); and also types trope names out as [[TropeName Trope Name]] for some reason; there's examples of not using wiki words (e.g. typing {{lostprophets}}. Also made the page Romantic Pseudo Fantasy, which is the genre of Paranormal Romance, but complaining about it. They add Word Cruft to descriptions, and some of their edits also show taking perfectly valid examples and then adding natter to them, often defying the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement including controversy and bias (e.g. changing "known for his extremely violent subject matter" to "extremely violent subject matter, constant [[ClusterFBomb Cluster F Bombs]] and NWordPriveleges, rampant sexism and homophobia ". There's a few cases of spoilering out entire examples and improper example indentation (only a few, but it is every instance in which they try to add a sub-bullet). They appear to have done major unapproved overhaul on the Emo Music page — like major overhaul of description and the list of bands without so much as an edit comment, including sometimes making things less informative (i.e. changing "in a diverse range of genres, from electronica to folk." to "in, well, everything") and some very not-neutral even rude/critical parts like "When people who don't like emo despite minimal exposure to the genre say that it's all about teenage self-absorption, whining about one's parents/girlfriend/life, they're actually referring to emo-pop", and also made edits to Screamo Music and Emo that have a pro-Emo bias (the remarkable thing is that there are some examples on this page of fixing wiki words and namespaces, and some examples of the opposite, and sometimes both in the same edit). They added "* Aiden's entire discography is this to AFI's, but "I Set My Friends on Fire" and "The Despair Factor" deserves a special mention." to Music.Suspiciously Similar Song, which is very close to bashing the guy. The edits to the Ian McShane page removed a ton of info from the discussion, leaving it as little more than I remember this guy from these things, nobody needs to know any more than that, and added this flame-y not-example (that seems to be bashing fans) "* ClassicallyTrainedExtra: Hates ''GameOfThrones'' and its fans. For some inexplicable reason, most of the fandom doesn't mind at all." (since corrected). Changed some examples
on YMMV.Batman V Superman Dawn Of Justice to criticize(?) Ben Affleck. Changed the Absolute Cleavage example on Jennifer Lawrence from "Her outfits at public events tend to lean toward this" to "Jen is famous for her big breasts", and made a point of talking about how "huge" they are on Suppressed Mammaries, on a related note they made improper edits to Serena that appeared dubious and were literally just to add the phrase "Troubled Production" three times, and then added a write-up of the film on TroubledProduction.Film M To Z that bashes it hard (I've removed all of this). They added Emo Pop to the description of Simple Plan (pretty sure they're a bit punk rock, mostly rock), and supported this with a rude "Many people who do not listen to much Emo Music often judge the entire genre because of Simple Plan" added to the band YMMV page, toeing the line between YMMV and flat out rudeness towards the band, but outright offensive to the "people who don't listen to much emo music" that they're writing about. Made a point of Saoirse Ronan "constantly trying to make a name for herself outside of Ireland, but is unsuccessful", which is bashing and factually false (has been edited). They inexplicably deleted a bunch of Bill Nighy's filmography, and also changed the "best known for" part of the description to be less informative on what he's best known for. Their edits to Toplessness from the Back, first is adding to a Jennifer Lawrence ZCE, but adding lecherous stuff without any context, and then this "* Scottish film ''Film/NotAnotherHappyEnding'' takes this a step further. We get a tracking shot of KarenGillan's lovely, bare booty as she runs down a hallway nude. ** The same sort of thing also occurs in the DirectToVideo film ''Some Kind of Beautiful'', where the camera follows SalmaHayek's bare booty as she runs outside and jumps into a pool." which is the worst kind of incorrect example indentation and sounds so wrong. They've made some minor and what looks like agenda-based pro-Hunger Games edits on John Carter. One edit that just from the text that was already there is most definitely opinion-based and an unnecessary addition is taking this "Finally, it should be noted that, as it clearly touches upon HIGHLY sensitive issues, this film has an ''intense'' LoveItOrHateIt vibe about it." and adding "depending on your theological views and tolerance for propaganda", which is possibly a well I hate it and you should too bias (the term "tolerance" and accusing it of being propaganda) and definitely really not needed (so much better without it, so I removed it). Made natter-y and bias edits to Crunk, which were removed shortly afterwards with the note that they were natter and not neutral
. Deleted a bunch of genres from Twenty One Pilots (famously have done a bit of everything) so that it reads as if they're solidly just slightly different styles of punk rock and definitely emo. Rewrote Jared Leto to be more about (and more pro-) Thirty Seconds to Mars than his acting. Changed Ryan Reynolds' most famous role from Van Wilder to Deadpool, which might be OK, if they'd done the rest of the work and changed the rest of the paragraph to not go into describing VW (accidentally attributing it all to Deadpool) and mentioning Deadpool later, it was a simple word replacement (since changed back, has been rephrased several times to be more accurate). Made edits to Michelle Gomez that made it seem like she hadn't done anything but Doctor Who (since tidied). There's also abundant Zero Context Example adding.
I'd send message notifiers, but only a few of their edits don't send up red flags looking through them, so it seems like too much of a habit. Some of their edits are innocuous, but most are clearly breaking many rules of the wiki — doesn't seem like a vandal, just someone who doesn't know how to use the wiki, what the keeping it cool and clean rules are, or what's actually useful/good (see their rewriting, adding, and removing that actively makes examples and descriptions worse).
Unrelated to it, their edit history also showed up that there's a YMMV.The Seven Realms Series page with only one example on it — a Complete Monster instance that doesn't appear was approved through the thread.
in short: Poe Dameron is not keeping it cool or clean, can't format, and frequently changes things to the point of making their pages worse, and overhauled Emo Music without notice or even edit notes. There's also a Complete Monster example at YMMV.The Seven Realms Series that doesn't appear to be approved.
Edited by lakingsifopen How to write a character who was abused? Literature
Okay, I have this character in mind that I want to write. His name is Valentino, and yes, he's Italian. When he was younger, his parents were alcoholics, and they accumulated a lot of debt, so they sold him as a Indentured servant to a wealthy family. There, he meet Johann, the grandson of the wealthy couple, who believes Tino is a girl because he was forced to wear a maids uniform while he worked with his family. Anyway, whenever Valentino was at his parent's house, they mistreated him. Like, a lot. His father sometimes beat him for not being a girl, like his father wanted him to be, and his mother would force him a small closet whenever she had guests over, and told him that if he made a sound, he would be beaten. Johann, who is three years older than Valentino, wrote to him often during the year. (He visited his grandparents during the summers, but stopped when his mother past away when he was twelve.) Valentino never received these letters, because his parents take them and hide them from Valentino until they stopped coming. Valentino never forgot Johann, and is sad because he thinks Johann forgot about him. When Valentino turned eighteen, he joined the navy and served a term (six years). When he revisits his parents, he is forced to clean out the attic, where he finds all of Johann's old letters. Valentino has enough of his parents and mails himself in a crate to his old friend. So, that's his backstory. Anyway, the problem I have is that I intend having Valentino be this innocent, fun-loving person, almost as if he's reliving his childhood, but I don't know if that falls in line with his backstory. I'm not a psychologist.
openIs this a "Subverted" example?
There is this entry on Tv Tropes "Bring My Brown Pants" that states:
Subverted in Jack Neo's film We Not Naughty, the third film in his I Not Stupid trilogy. Weijie and Jianren believe that Mrs. CK has wet herself in fright, due to Jianren's erratic driving (granted, they were escaping from gangsters), however, instead, she is about to go in labor.
However, I am not so sure if it is a subverted example, because this trope is one that I cannot really see as subverted. Any suggestions to entry change?
openRule of Editing Judgement Potholes
Does anyone else find the trend of putting things on pages like "and that's all were going to day about that" potholed to Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement instead of just not mentioning it at all really condescending and obnoxious?
Almost seems like a dare to start a flamewar in and of itself.
Edited by shoboniopenSelf-demonstrating character page launch
If I want to make a self-demonstrating character page, do I have to get approval somewhere, or is it a free launch, like work pages?
openRegaridng all white entries... Anime
I found a couple spoilered entries on Anime.Pokemon The Movie Black And White. Specifically The Bad Guy Wins and Earn Your Happy Ending:
- The Bad Guy Wins: All of Damon's goals are accomplished successfully despite his Heel–Face Turn; this only means the Kingdom of the Vale was restored without the unintended and unaccounted-for side effects happening.
- Fridge Brilliance: The Dragon Force became destructive as a result of the two brothers of yore fighting their battle with Reshiram and Zekrom. It was neither the truth of collapse/the ideal of harmony that Ash bore nor the ideal of rebirth/the truth of vigilance Damon possessed that saved the Kingdom of the Vale in the end, but the cooperation between them, and between Reshiram and Zekrom in turn. Hate and zeal only destroy themselves and everything around them.
- Earn Your Happy Ending: How Damon's goals are accomplished without world destruction happening.
I am asking if the examples should be reworded or if the markup should be removed (On the one hand, Its canon status is dubious at best and it could be considered independent of the anime, a Non-Serial Movie. On the other hand the movie itself is a decade old at this point)? I will move the Fridge Brilliance bullet to the YMMV page once I edit these entries.
Edited by MorningStar1337open A lot of issues with the most recent edits on ShipTease/AnimeAndManga. Anime
I have noticed that there are a lot of issues with the most recent edits in Anime & Manga of the Ship Tease page, based on its History
, specifically with the most recent edits for Naruto and One Piece. There are very long-winded entries, non-neutral wording employed, adding information that has long since been firmly denied by the original creators themselves, showing shipping bias towards ships that aren't canon and against ships that are canon, grammar issues, not ending the entries on a clear definitive concluding note, and overall initiating an Edit War.
The reason why this all concerns me is because *I* displayed those very same issues myself before I got banned, and now that I know everything that I did wrong, I feel that these edits really do show everything that I just explained, the things I had problems with previously. These most recent edits display the problems as shown in these Administrivia articles: Sink Hole, Conversation in the Main Page, Righting Great Wrongs, Word Cruft, How to Write an Example, Edit Reasons and Why You Should Use Them, and Handling Spoilers.
Personally, I want to revert those edits back to how they were originally written most recently before they got ruined, because those previous edits didn't add excessive information that really didn't need to be added. All of those previous edits didn't display any shipping bias or at least showed as little as possible, gave evidence to back up what was written, and each entry ended on a clear definitive concluding note. However, I don't know how to do that without causing an Edit War myself. How would I go about reverting all of those edits back and explaining that "I am reverting back to the original edits because the most recent edits caused an Edit War and showed a lot of problems that violated proper editing etiquette," in a concise neutral Edit Reason, without causing an Edit War?
Please know that I am not trying to pick a fight, and this is the first time I'm using Ask The Tropers, so I'm not completely familiar with ATT just yet. However, I do know that asking for this troper to be banned is not the right answer, and that is not what I am asking anyways. My main point is, I just noticed that the most recent edits done by that troper showed those very same problems that I myself had before I got banned, and because those are big warning signs that I did not know about until I got banned, those edits need to be dealt with or fixed/reverted as a result.
Lastly, as a side note, I still see links to scanlations in that trope page. Those need to be deleted because links to scanlations are not permitted. They are illegal and therefore need to be deleted. I plan on getting rid of those myself, though, since I made that same mistake myself and am in the process of getting rid of all the links I've ever inserted, so the main issues I have with the edits in this page (issues which I wrote about above) are what I'm more focused on here.
Edited by mouschilightopenAdoredByTheNetwork/TeenTitansGo Western Animation
This page
of Teen Titans Go!, unsurprisingly has a lot of complaining in it. I was gonna clean it myself, but I can't even tell what examples should remain at this point.
openNeed to cut down this paragraph
In the page for "Mind is a Plaything of the Body", I found this super long entry:
In Walk Through the Valley by Vathara, Hiko transforms uses LEGO Genetics to transform himself into a kiryuu alterant and kiryuu are felinoid aliens from the planet Satoyama that possesses Complete Immortality (anything that doesn't kill them immediately tends not to kill them at all), Innate Night Vision so strong that they very myopic during the day, sensory tendrils in place of hair, EMP-generation and perception which allows to share thoughts with each other, made possible by the sensory tendrils; and they are Knight Templar Parents that will kill any predators that come near the birthing den. Upon becoming half-man, half-kiryuu, he finds himself mentally declaring the cabin and where he woke up and everything within sight of it to be his when he'd previously never stayed anywhere more than a year at a time (except for his stint on Satoyama) and didn't allow himself to get attached and contemplating leaping sixty feet into the air to chase a bushy-tailed rodent on a tree. That was in the first week. Within five years, he finds himself killing in an Unstoppable Rage for the first time just because the victim, a member of the Oniwabanshuu, was under Mind Control like all citizens of The Federation to protect them from The Evils of Free Will (and the Oniwabanshuu are members of the Human Subspecies empowered to do the protecting through Telepathy). After that, his mountain was safe. Later, he finds himself with a dying eight-year-old escaped slave boy (Kenshin) and the only way to save him is an Emergency Transformation into a kiryuu alterant. Previously, Hiko had been a Child Hater, or, at least, wasn't interested in making sacrifices for a child such as free time or career. But after the second time Kenshin's skin shed, he found himself with unable to keep from growling at one of his few friends whenever she made sudden movements towards the cabin. This transformation lasted months. Months he had to spend working with the instincts until they re-categorized her as a "spark-ally" (sparks are what kiryuu packs are called).
Can anybody cut it down to a manageable size? I smell entry pimping.
Edited by RaygunJusticeopenSmitty91 Western Animation
There's a troper by the name of Smitty 91 who keeps going by different usernames and posting different entries in FiM's DMoS page. It's obvious he hates the show now, but good lord, this person is persistent. I've actually been asked about his latest entry on "Fame and Misfortune" (an episode that I, myself, hate for totally different reasons than mostly everyone else), which has since been removed, and I figured I'd let you know about this. This guy needs to stop. It is my request that this person be penalized for his continued misuse of the page.
Edited by SenorCornholioopenBest way to clean up Self-Fulfilling Spoilers on character sheet? Videogame
Hi everyone! What is the best way to deal with Self-Fulfilling Spoiler and Spoilered Rotten examples on character sheets?
I've been working on the character sheet for the visual novel The Letter , and some of the characters' examples are inherently spoilers on their own. The most obvious examples are Character Death and Plotline Death for the characters who always die in the visual novel regardless of player choice. Currently for these examples, the trope name is visible, with the rest of the description spoiler-tagged.
Some things I could do (not sure what is best):
1. Do nothing.
If the way this character sheet handles spoilers is fine, then I won't do anything else.
2. Add an "Unmarked Spoilers" policy to the page.
I can add an "Unmarked Spoilers" notice at the top of the character sheet, and simply un-tag all spoilers. Since the visual novel is plot-heavy, this might be a good idea.
Besides the main page for The Letter is still spoiler-tagged, and people who want to avoid spoilers can simply read that.
3. Remove those examples.
The main page for The Letter already has a Killed Off for Real example, which AFAIK is already properly spoiler-tagged. I can just merge the examples from the character sheet into that one.
Thanks!
Edited by craleigh318openScary Story Halloween Special? Live Action TV
I remember this special very vaguely however it most likely aired in the early 2000's. There was one particular episode apart of the special itself that I remember most of. The episode appeared to have people working on a kids show television set where there was a creepy doll. The only way I could possibly describe it is a cabbage patch kid mixed with Barney's height (at least from what I recall). The particular line that stands out to me is it talking to one of the cast members who happened to be a mail man on the kids show, she basically said something along the lines of "I'll cut out your heart and you can cut out mine." The man of course thought the doll meant paper hearts as there were materials to make them on a nearby table. Unfortunately the doll stabs him in the heart with a pair of scissors and says something mentioning a baby, I don't know. What I think I remember is the cast member who played the mail man had romantic relations with the woman who provided voice over work for the doll and recently discovered she was pregnant. This is all I really remember from it, it's been a while.
openHow to format the examples on this page
The Memetic Mutation page for Music has this note:
Please add entries in the following format:
- The name of the song.
- Meme name: description of meme and how it's used.
- Source of meme and fandom it relates to in the form of a note/labelnote.
- Famous instances (such as the Rick Roll during the Thanksgiving parade).
- Further mutations and successor memes, if any.
- Meme name: description of meme and how it's used.
Problem is no examples follow that format. They're either essentially zero-context, explain in the example itself, or explain in a labelnote.
Edited by Pichu-kun

I think this is the right place to post this but if not please point me in the right direction.
The How to Write an Example says that duplicates of tropes should be avoided but what counts a duplicate? For instance would the following two tropes be considered duplicates despite the fact that they are different tropes?