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openEdit War on Agents of SHIELD recap Live Action TV
This troper https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Peeve
has basically started an edit war (last 3 edits) about what he personally sees as 'objective', despite the matter being present as the typical 'AI gains consciousnes and overthrows her creator' on the show, with Aida doing a lot of things clearly out of spite and self-interest, not just 'following her programming' and several tropers besides me see it the same way, so just deleting it is not very productive.
openArthur Western Animation
WJTaylor4, who frequently edits the YMMV.Arthur page really, really, really hates D.W. (and calls Arthur's parents by their first names even though they're rarely said in-show). Other oddities include a 'fandom rivalry' segment that's just fans of one thing picking on other fans. Plus grammar/spelling errors.
"Creator's Pet: Jane and David; being an educational 'toon, they're the "large and in charge" parents with no one calling them out for letting D.W. torment Arthur most of the time."
Fandom Rivalry: Ever since the rights to producing the show changed hands from Cookie Jar to Nine Story, the bronies have been picking on it and its fans. It appears that there are two groups of haters here- one being bitter about how Marc Brown chose to terminate Cookie Jar's rights and grant the rights to Nine Story instead of transferring the production rights to DHX (which is incidentally the company behind Fi M) when DHX bought up Cookie Jar, and another just sees Arthur as yet another show competing with Fi M for awards. It's easy to weed them out: those who dismiss Arthur for "not being as good since it changed production companies" fall into the former, while those that're downright condescending to the show (saying things like "You're/They're still making the show?" in a sarcastic tone) belong to the latter. "
" D.W.'s constant screaming and whining when getting on Arthur's case or when she's demanding something from others tends to get old pretty fast. D.W.'s voice in general even when she's not whining. "
"D.W. getting punched by Arthur and latere getting a swing smashed into her face, largely due to her being such an unlikable brat."
" D.W. throws a tremendous tantrum in "Arthur's Perfect Christmas" when she doesn't get the toy she wanted for Christmas, and spends several minutes screaming. It's honestly quite embarrassing especially since Dave and Jane don't do anything to stop their daughter. "
" The Tibble Twins are basically gender bender versions of D.W. and like D.W. they have no redeeming qualitiesJ who never get punished, and they're constantly roughhousing or arguing with each other."
" Take That, Scrappy!: DW finally getting punched out by Arthur in "Arthur's Big Hit". Also DW getting her face smashed in with swings by the Tibble twins in Attack of the Turbo Tibbles. "
" Unintentionally Unsympathetic: DW, in "Arthur's Big Hit" and in many, many others. Even in the episodes where she has some justifiable reason for being bratty, she tends to take it so far that it's impossible to sympathize with her. This is not made better by all the times she doesn't have an excuse, and just felt like being irritating - it makes her seem less like she's acting up because of the issue at hand and more like her already-horrible behavior is just being exacerbated by said issue. More than a few viewers cheered when the Tibble twins hit D.W. in the face with their swings in "Attack of the Turbo Tibbles", if only because she finally suffered some Laser-Guided Karma for all the crap she had pulled previously in the series. A number of viewers also cheered when Arthur punched D.W. for harassing him and then trashing his model plane in the aforementioned Arthur's Big Hit where in addition to being her usual annoying self she was stupid enough to think the model was a toy that could fly. It really says a lot for what a repulsive character DW is that even when she's attacked by a pair twins who are basically male versions of her the viewers actually cheer for the boys to rough her up. It also says a lot for just how lacking the boys are in redeeming qualities that their high point in the series is physically attacking a young girl the audience is expected to sympathize with but is so unlikable and repulsive that the boys violent actions against her are cheered and relished by the audience instead of being viewed as reprehensible."
Edited by lalalei2001openFire emblem Echoes
So there has has been what I'd consider small arguments in the Fire Emblem Gaiden pages over the character Faye. Basically whenever someone discusses her character in a semi negative light, other users come in and remove the entrees saying things like; "Stop hating on her it's silly". Yesterday this happened to me on the character section and while the entrees might of been negative, they were based off how the character was presented, and the removal had no good claim for it. On the the YMMV section those fans of hers are basically painting those who dislike her as exaggerating her flaws, which isn't true. Here's an example;
- Ron the Death Eater: Faye is not a perfect character, not by any shot, but the fandom greatly exaggerates her worst sides.
- The reverse is also true, with Faye detractors greatly exaggerating her flaws to make her feelings look inferior to Celica's "superior" ones. Again missing how neither girl is portrayed inherently on the right side, as described above: Faye's love isn't exactly pure, but Celica's is not as selfless as she believes at first.
TLDR; We might need the page examined because Faye supporters are basically policing anything related to her instead of discussing it.
Edited by keyblade333openPolish Translation?
Hello, this is Piterpicher. I would like to translate this wiki to Polish, and I know the translation forums exist, but the Polish translation topic hasn't gotten a reply for over a year, and I don't know if the people there are active. Should I try to find and contact them, do a post on that topic, make a new topic or simply start translating myself ? I think that it’s a good idea to make a Polish translation, and popularize this website with Poles and other people from West Europe so please, do not lock this question.
Edited by PiterpicheropenIncomplete Work Page Literature
I came across Literature.Rai Kirah today while checking my watchlist updates. It's a recently created page made by indigoazure
.. The issue here is that, at the time of this writing, there's no description for the work whatsoever. All it has is, and I quote, "(Also commonly written as Rai-Kirah). A fantasy series of three books by Carol Berg." and then a list of the three books in the trilogy. There's a few issues with the tropes themselves, the most glaring being three tropes listed on one bullet and whose context was quotations direct from the book itself. I just flat out deleted those and commented out anything else blatantly zero context. (EDIT: The editor has fixed the three on one bullet tropes by putting at least two as their own tropes with context)
I've sent the page creator a PM about fixing the description, specifically linking to How to Create a Work's Page and quoting the relevant portion to make the point. I'm mostly posting here, too, to have everything "on the record" so to speak in case any further action is needed later.
Edited by sgamer82open I've been looking for this for hours and I still don't know what it was! Film
This was either a film or an episode of a TV series but I distinctly remember a man walking around a hospital or something, and he kept hearing a little girl singing a creepy version of the Hush Little Baby nursery rhyme. By the end of fhe film/episode, the man tried to set himself on fire and I can't remember whether he was successful or not . . . I know this isn't much to go on at all, but if anybody has any wuggestions and nos to what it might be I would be very thankful.
openGeneral question about symbolism tropes
I'm having a bit of difficulty editing and helping with improving some symbolism-related tropes, since they do seem to be a bit open to interpretation. So, I have a question about the guidelines: for symbolism tropes, are examples drawn from fan-made analysis and/or interpretations acceptable as examples, or would they need to be something more concretely stated (either within the work itself or by an author in a supplementary resource, such as an interview)?
Edited by ClockworkUniversesopenSmalltime's refusal to learn the rules
In Canon Discontinuity, smalltime
added a misindented Inspector Gadget example under another. I fixed the issue and sent an Issue Helper to the troper, as the only wrong thing here was the misindentation. The added example itself had nothing wrong. But they reacted to this by just removing their added example, thus leaving the original example alone and misindented (because they didn't revert the extra asterisk I had added to it to have it leveled alongside the other), and then sent me a reply full of Angrish. Since then, it's been a very stressful conversation between the two in which I tried to explain to them the origin of the problem and they labeled the whole Indentation guideline as "gibberish", plus asking me to stop "harassing" them. Even after I tried to explain in bigger detail about the indentation thing, the reply was once again the same: "[Still to me] gibberish".
Very sadly, the troper is consciously refusing to cooperate and I'm concerned that they will just ignore the problem in the future. Their poor attitude is only making my genuine efforts to help them even more futile.
Edited by MyFinalEditsopenNamespace / redirect question
So I moved Series/SweetValleyHigh to Franchise/SweetValleyHigh, and turned Series/SweetValleyHigh and Literature/SweetValleyHigh, into redirects to Franchise/SweetValleyHigh. Now the resulting page, Sweet Valley High, has icons/links below the page title to the Series and Literature namespaces. But that is pointless, because they just redirect to the page itself; and it is confusing, because the content of the page doesn't separate between the series and the novels. Shouldn't this be fixed? And if so how?
openDoes this long section belong in the MadeOfEvil Page intro
- With a villain like this, this has to be easy material for a Complete Monster, right? Not exactly. As a matter of fact, a being that's Made of Evil transcends the Complete Monster character and stands between being a person and being a formless concept. (unless they CHOOSE to forsake any goodness inside of them making it a moral agency; for example M. Bison). Since they're a living embodiment of evil itself, they can't do anything other than what their nature demands them to do. The ability to make moral choices to become good or evil is a must for this trope. However, a being Made of Evil CAN qualify as a Complete Monster if they show the ability to do good but ultimately choose not to. As such, villains like Mephisto, Diablo, Apep, and Lord Foul qualify as CMs regardless of their inherently evil nature.
This is in the intro for the Made of Evil page. I personally think its long and out of place, it'd be a better fit in an analysis page of the Complete Monster trope, not the Made of Evil page description.
Edited by Monsundopen How does Self Fulfilling Spoiler relate to Handling Spoilers?
How does Self-Fulfilling Spoiler relate to Handling Spoilers?
The former hasn't been edited in ~2 years, and its wick was removed from the latter page by Fast Eddie (Grand High Administrator Person)... About 3 years ago, on 19th Mar '14 5:42:48 PM.
The strange thing about the former, to me, is that it advocates not documenting non-Omnipresent Tropes:
... Asking because of a Discussion, here
.
openIndexing Issue on a One Piece Recap Page Anime
Recap.One Piece The Saga Of The Self Proclaimed Straw Hat Fleet is not showing itself as being indexed. At a glance everything seems fine. It's listed in an Index page (Recap.One Piece) and the pages immediately before and after it are just fine. Nothing seems wrong with the page's code, either.
open Crime Mystery Whodunnit Drama TV Show Title Help, Please Live Action TV
Do you know the name of that crime mystery whodunnit drama show that took place in New York, USA and aired for two seasons and was from the 2010s? (I think it aired either from 2011 to 2012) and one of the main characters is a woman and is divorced. In one of the episodes, a girl had looked like as if she had committed suicide by hanging herself, but her older sister and her boyfriend had killed her and made it look like as if she had hanged herself and in another one of the episodes, the victim was a woman who was found dead in her pool and she was, like, the president of a beauty/fashion magazine company and the murderer was a woman who had gotten into a fight with the victim and had shoved her into the pool.
Can you please help me and tell me the name of the show that I'm talking about?
open"Proper" names for tropes
Inculpability is for Never My Fault, selfishness is for It's All About Me, and what is for Inspector Javert (meaning a character who latches onto believing that someone is still a bad guy regardless of anything)?
Edited by MitchellProductionsopencwf123 and Self-Demonstrating Pages
cwf123
, among many other problems (like grammar and a weird Hilarious in Hindsight page), made three Self-Demonstrating articles for The Architect
, Vanessa Lutz
(whoever that is), and Hector Con Carne
. Now, I could've sworn that we were trying to cut down on the number of Self Demonstrating articles on the site.
I know that there's a thread on the forum, but there hasn't been any posts in it since March, so I want to see what I should do with the pages here.
Edited by ArctimonopenDefictionalization Playing With Page
I get that Defictionalization is labelled as only a "Triva" page, but the concept is very much more than that. The page itself notes at least one In-Universe example (Anime section, Durarara), and Defictionalization is distinct from Life Imitates Art. Defictionalization is about, well, defictionalizing things whereas Life Imitates Art is exactly that. So I think the Playing With page should be restored, so more people can realize the real creative potential of In-Universe Defictionalization.
openDisagreement on whether or not Bucky Barnes qualifies as The Hermit Film
There's a small edit war on the characters page
for allies of the MCU version of The Avengers.
Please make sure that the tropes fit the example. Bucky is not The Hermit: he is hiding both because he has triggers in his head and because as a former assassin he is a wanted fugitive.
Would I be right if I said that as long as a character is willingly hiding or isolating himself, regardless of the reason, he qualifies as The Hermit?
Edited by RayAP9open Horror of the Narrative Self
A popular psychological and philosophical theory (found in Jaques Lacan, Paul Ricouer, George Herbert Mead, Michail Bakhtin, Daniel Dennet, Jerome Bruner, Jonathan Gottschall) and many others is that the self is a product of our self narrative — linguistic thought.
Many of the same theorists also argue that we need to internalise an "Other" (generalised other, super ego, super-addressee, impartial spectator) to hear and speak our narrative.
Freud, and perhaps Kitarou Nishida argue that this other is hidden, or unconscious, due to being horrific.This gives rise to the suggestion that language, the voice, and perhaps ears, are horrific.
This may be related to the Demonic Dummy trope already covered here.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DemonicDummy
It is claimed that that there is a lot of graffiti in Western horror. Monsters announce their impending arrival with writing on walls, windows and mirrors (e.g. Strangers, The lady in the Black Dress, What Lies Beneath, The Candyman, Excorcist, Excorcist 3, Mothers Day etc.). In addition to "redrum," the novel" (all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy) in the Shining Is related too. Is there already 'demonic graffiti' or "horrific writing" type trope?
Another trope might be the way in which monsters and murderers phone in to their victims first such as in Scream and another movie about a babysitter where it turns out the person phoning is in the house (which is similar to the pivotal line in Scream).
Are there any other tropes that might be related?
I am particularly interested in Films but any medium would do.
openNo title
A couple days ago, I mentioned these two examples from Crying Wolf on the Trump and ROCEJ
thread, but no one responded. Do you think these examples should be removed?
- According to commentators such as Robby Scave of reason.com
and Bill Maher
, this trope contributed to Donald Trump's election in 2016. By characterizing past Republican candidates such as Bush, McCain, and Romney as racists supported by racists and otherwise undesirable people, the left (including Maher himself), undermined their own credibility when an actually-racist candidate ran for office.
- When it was revealed that key members of Trump's campaign team had links to Russia, some people on the left dismissed these claims as Red Scare-style paranoia, even calling belief that Russia interfered in the 2016 election "neo-McCarthyism," remembering anti-Russian and anti-communist hysteria in the '50s. Then FBI Director James Comey did confirm that the FBI was investigating Russian interference in the election in a hearing before Congress.

So there's been a bit of a problem in the Star Wars Episode VIII thread with people posting unsubstantiated plot leaks for the movie. Sometimes they ask permission before posting them, sometimes they just post them. Apparently these leaks have been circulating Reddit. Is it possible to do anything about this? It is, at the very least, making myself and another thread regular (whom I discussed the matter with via PM before coming here) pretty uncomfortable.