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openInterpreting In Universe characters through their actors on YMMV
OK, here's a delicate one. I'll try to formulate as neutral as possible.
7th Heaven ran from 1996 to 2006. Years later in 2014, it came to light that main actor of that show Stephen Collins had sexually molested children in Real Life.
Now the 7th Heaven YMMV page is riddled with backwards interpretations of his In Universe character, Eric, through these horrific acts the actor commited in Real Life. E.g. Eric is called a Base-Breaking Character due to what his actor did in Real Life; there are lots of potholes to Harsher in Hindsight regarding any scene Eric's character had with a minor girl, etc.
So my question: in how far do we interpret / judge characters on YMMV pages through the lens of what their actors did in Real Life?
Because I think on this particular page, the In Universe character Eric is Troped too much on what his actor did in Real Life, than on the character as himself In Universe.
openNative Americans Liking an American President Equals Germans Love David Hasselhoff
I dont think it does. I like the entry itself, but its NOT Germans Love David Hasselhoff. They are from the SAME country? Why was it put there.
Its on Germans Love David Hasselhoff People.
openOffensive Filename
Doing some edits on Ed Sheeran and did a double take on the filename of his photograph. A bit of digging in the history got me this little gem:
"5th Sep '14 12:31:58 AM creekery Is there an issue? Send a Message
Added Diff Lines:
[[quoteright:283:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/anuscocknigger_5477.jpg]] [[caption-width-right:283:The guitar guy himself.]]
Reason: Sorry for the filename, nothing else was working because everything was already taken."
Not cool, regardless of how you might feel about this artist. The N-word is especially nasty. Can someone address? Thanks.
Edited by Exxolonopenchickenpie999 Film
chickenpie999
has deleted several examples
from YMMV.Return Of The Jedi without providing any edit reasons.
They've also changed an example from this:
To this:
openQuestions regarding cleanup efforts.
I have a few questions. I just started a ST Projects thread (The only other Projects thread I started was for the Pokemon Anime's YMMV page before this) and I want to make sure the action itself didn't violate any rules, as well as a sandbox page relevant to this.
- Is there any procedure for making threads on both boards? Unlike TRS or IP the threads don't start locked, but I wanted to know if they need mod permission or other requirements first (The sticky on the STP board mentioned something about discussion form elsewhere, such as ATT. I think that requirement is covered covered by this query
)
- As the cleanup is focused on reorganization, I want to know a few things related to that. Mainly to see if 1 Sandbox/ page is enough for the cleanup.
- Is there a way to view how many characters are in a given page?
- What is the maximum amount of characters a page can hold before becoming a problem? (I think its 400000 max)
openHigh School DxD EX Anime
I have a quick question for those who are familiar with High School DXD. The anime's third season BorN was a setup by Ichiei Ishibumi to create the EX spin-off to fix up the anime's timeline thanks to Loki's machinations; Ishibumi himself later confirmed that any future anime seasons will adapt the light novels after the third season's debacle.
If the plotline of the anime's fourth season gets announced (most likely an adaptation of EX and volumes 9-10), what should we do about the EX entries? I want to bring this up to the community to get thoughts on the matter. Thanks.
Edited by gjjonesopenSpoilers in Fanfic/TheHarvester
Fanfic.The Harvester was just launched today and already has a good number of tropes. Unfortunately, almost all of the tropes have a spoiler on them, with the Designated Victim example completely whited out. I'd fix it myself, but I haven't read the fic, so I'm not sure what would count as a spoiler. Could someone who has go through the page and help me?
open Drama tv show or movie? Film
Whats the tv show or movie called about a black girl and guy who are married and have a black daughter, and the daughters boyfriend leaves her and goes to jail while she is pregnant and carrying the baby that her mom wants, but she is in love with her moms husband, and he likes her too but doesn't want the mom to know... the pregnant girl ends up getting hit by a car which the mom is driving because she wants the baby but she thinks that her daughter wants to keep it for herself..?
openTwo quotes on The Kirk
Trope pages are supposed to have only one quote. The Kirk has two, strangely enough, the first is formatted like a quote, and then the beginning of the text itself is another quote. Delete this second quote?
openDeleted example
Berzerkerking deleted the example of Better Than Canon from Warhammer: Age of Sigmar. As far as I'm aware of, the context of the example was factually correct; is the deletion itself appropriate?
openShould some pages demonstrate the trope they represent?
So I was hanging out, being bored in class, perusing this land of lost souls, spamming the trope button, until I came across a very boring Intentional Engrish for Funny page. I though I should spruce it up. And if you click that there wikiworld, you'll see I did just that. Now though, I have a dilemma. Should I make a self-demonstrating page for that Engrished page, or keep it as the main?
openIs Heart Symbol actually a trope?
Moving to Trope Talk Is Heart Symbol actually a trope?
I just turned into it into an index of tropes that involve the symbol, and I'm not seeing any connection between the examples on the page.
It's effectively the TLP, Heart Motifs
?
- AKB0048: Every member of the AKB0048 has a heart shaped shine in their hair and in their eyes as well. This feature in particular seems to be a manifestation of the potential of a girl to be a future Successor, as it shows up the young Lancastar girls after they witness their first concert. It happens again to another set of young girls after they see their first 00 performance as well.
- Former members have diamonds instead. Justified by the fact that there are Loads And Loadsof Characters, makes it easier for people to just identify who is in and who isn't.
- In Conor Kostic's novel Saga: Ghost's symbol is a ♥, and is always represented that way. Why is it that symbol? We don't know. As she says in Saga when painting aircars:
I settled for a pale blue sky with fluffy white clouds as my background, and then filled it with floating red ♥s. Not much of a statement, I know, unless you think about how there are millions of aircars out there, and they are all a standard simple monochrome. To introduce playfulness and individuality is in itself a kind of subversion. Well, that’s if my choice needed any justification.
- Naturally, the ♥ became the band logo of Seattle-based rock group Heart, at least in their original Seventies incarnation as soft-rock country/folk band fronted by hippie chicks. The ♥ became synonymous with sisters Ann and Nancy Wilson, who fronted the group and wrote most of its material. The symbol was downgraded a little after their make-over as 1980's big-haired rock chicks performing stadium rock.
- Hello! Project loves to use these in song titles... Koisuru♡Angel♡Heart, ♡Momoiro Kataomoi♡, Icha♡Icha Summer, Honki Mekimeki♡Toki Mekimeki, Hare Ame Nochi Suki♡, Zettai Tokeru Mondai X = ♡, Renai♥Rider, Ona no Ko no Torishirabe Time♥...
- Then there's the group Odoru♡11.
- The Harts, such as Bret or Owen, typically have a heart symbol with a winged skull in the middle of it.
- Luchador ATM has two heart symbol eye holes cut into his mask.
- Just to emphasize how much of a Girly Girl she had become in Fighting Opera HUSTLE, Erica had these symbols painted on her cheeks.
- Sassy Stephie has gear with the letter S twice on her chest. One is backwards so it forms a heart.
- Shazza McKenzie has a one piece with heart symbols cut into it, bearing the sides of her midriff.
- "La Chica de la Actitud" Roxxy has her name sewn into her ring gear with the "O" being in this shape.
- Kingdom Hearts. Hearts are everywhere. They pop up in symbolism, menu icons, and whenever you kill most enemies. Hell, the freaking MOON is heart-shaped!
- Panel de Pon: Heart-shaped panels are a staple.
But, there are examples that are just mentions of the symbol, and don't have any narrative significance?
- Kingdom of Loathing: It has a "Less-than-three-shaped box", which is aptly named. It is shaped like a heart, and can hold up to 2 items.
- In Ava's Demon, once Ava agrees to the pact, we get a heart split in half, with two colors, one side shattered.
- Whateley Universe: There's "an adorable little blonde kid in curls" whose codename is Less Than Three, but if it's intended to be this symbol or not, is unknown, and we don't know why she picked that codename either, presuming that she didn't have it assigned involuntarily.
Then there's this, which is sorta like Hearts Are Health, but not.
openKing Zeal on "Queerbaiting" YKTTW
Courtesy Link: here
There was a conversation / debate on the draft about the term "queer" and before Shimaspawn stepped in saying that it's a pre-existing term, King Zeal started to step over the line with the rhetorical / snide question "If the people self-identifying themselves as queer are wrong, and the people who lovingly accept them as queer are wrong, and the original dictionary term is vague, what authority are you deferring to define the term?" as though gay men (such as myself) cannot comprehend this term that describes gay people
or that I contrast with the "people who lovingly accept them." In our history over on this ATT thread,
we were told to stop sniping each other, and I would rather not get in trouble for responding to his comment. I didn't say anything until now because I hadn't seen the comment. I knew the discussion was getting heated and I stepped away and just had no motivation to look at the draft until now.
His most recent comment, which posted today (well after Shimaspawn's stepping in), King Zeal continued the topic of what "queer" means, and I don't think he's letting it go.
At the risk of being repetitive: I don't want to directly engage with this definition "debate" and I think a mod coming in to the draft to calm the waters could possibly help keep the discussion on track for the trope, rather than the definition of "queer."
Edited by WaterBlapopen{{Yandere}} page
Why does the Self-demonstrating version have an image but the original doesn't? I think it illustrates the trope pretty well. The SD page also appears very incomplete.
Edited by LegitimateIdiotopenpermission to remove sbih entry
Edit: Ignore. They deleted it themself after seeing there was a discussion.
From Horrible.Comic Books. This is the entry in question:
- Kirkman's run on Ultimate X Men ended with him retconning almost every major change he had made, but it was still, sadly, not enough to wipe the long, dragging Magician arc from readers' memories. Kurt Wagner going batshit insane from his time in the Weapon X program could've been done as Character Development, but when coupled with his sudden off-the-wall homophobia and super-creepy Annie Wilkes-like behavior towards Dazzler, it just wound up being the final straw.
I'm bringing it here to avoid getting involved in an edit war. The above entry was deleted by another user because they misunderstood it as being about the entire run, but it was added again by someone else with only the first couple of lines switched around. As I mentioned on the discussion page before it was re-added, it probably shouldn't be on anyway. Apart from having pretty much no detail, all that it's about is a personal disagreement about the direction being taken with one character (and with only two aspects if it at that). Plus from what I've read, Kurt's homophobic tendencies, while more aggressive than before, don't come out of nowhere like the entry seems to suggest. Nothing about it implies horrible writing by itself, and even if it did that's still just one element. It certainly wont make sense to anyone unfamiliar with the comics anyway.
I also couldn't find anything suggesting that the story arc has a poor enough reputation to even warrant a place on the page in the first place. And the name of the arc (Magician) is incorrect.
Edited by supergodopenMore Intentional Engrish for funny stuff. yay.
So, the main description on self-demonstrating is good n' all. But the individual examples aren't tropified. Should I leave them alone or fuck with the typing there too?
open Little kids show about crime fighting car
I have been trying to find this show forever. Basically, when I was very young I would often watch this show about a car that fought crime. It was definitely a little kids show, but I do not believe it was on PBS. It was on early 2000's because based on where I was living I must have only been 3-5 years old. It was not a cartoon, it had very real people in it and the car itself was real. I believe it was set somewhere in Europe and the car was an older police beetle bug from what I recall. For the life of me I cannot remember its name and honestly thought I dreamed it up until a friend recently confirmed he also had seen it. Please help it's been bothering me for so long!
Edited by mshadle98open To edit or not
The Vague Age reference for Misty on the Pokemon Gym Leaders page seems off to me. I've never seen anyone say Misty looks like a teen in FRLG. She looks like a preteen to me, just like her classic design. I wouldn't say Misty's age is vague. She's Red's age in every adaptation and a piece of early artwork depicted her as being Red's height. I think it should be changed from Vague Age to Artistic Age. A lot of Pokemon characters suffer from Artistic Age. Heck, Red himself looks more like a teen than Misty does in ""FRLG''.
openMCU Tough Acts To Follow Film
YMMV.Doctor Strange 2016 has a Tough Act to Follow entry admitting that it didn't become as beloved as Captain America: Civil War, while YMMV.Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 had a pre-release entry worrying that GotG 2 could become less beloved than the first movie, Civil War, and Doctor Strange. If GotG 2 does become more popular than Doctor Strange, how would we re-word this? I already tried adding, "Downplayed for viewers who don't consider Doctor Strange one of Marvel's best," but it got deleted for sounding too obvious.note Yes, I know Doctor Strange has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score, but I don't think it deserves a 90%.
EDIT: I thought of something myself.
Edited by dsneybuf

It's too ridiculously long. I'd like to shorten & reorganize it myself, but I've never had to do something like this before. I don't know where to start. Can someone help?