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openWhat should I do? Videogame
Troper Wolf Thunder readded the word more after I removed it from YMMV Super Mario Odyssey
despite the fact that "much more funnier" is redundant.
Should I let someone else remove it or do it myself?
openIs there a preference for Last Name or First Name Basis in articles?
I discovered the Interviews with Monster Girls article today and made a couple edits. While I did, I took notice that the article generally refers to characters by their first names. Not a big issue in and of itself except that in-story, unless the anime (which I've not yet watched) does it differently, the characters are generally referred to on a Last-Name Basis (since w're dealing with teachers and students in a Japanese school). There's a couple of exceptions but they're just that, exceptions.
My instinct was to swap the names out to reflect what's used in-story, in the feeling that using the names the show itself doesn't is needlessly confusing. But given the kind of change that would make is fairly big I thought I'd ask before I went to town.
openCreator.AdamWest - self-demonstrating?
I just noticed that Adam West is written in the first person. I assume the point is to make it self-demonstrating, it's just that I can't really see that it demonstrates anything interesting. I'm not really familiar with Adam West so I can't tell how well it fits his voice, but is there really any point in it being self-demonstrating?
open A ScrewYourself subversion?
A bit unsure of a certain case of Screw Yourself that I think I may need others' opinions on.
There is a society made up of clones of the exact same person. A number of them are in relationships with each other, some of which are even happily married to one another.
That being said, all of them are completely naive about actual sex. Even a clone who is literally married to another is naive about sex. As such, clone relationships are at simplest just lovey dovey without any actual sex involved since they're all naive on the subject. Basically Screw Yourself but without the screwing?
So with that being the case, is this case a subversion of Screw Yourself in any degree? Kinda confused on what to do. It would technically not be a subversion in the slightest since it's still intimacy regardless if there is actual sex or not. However, the Screw Yourself trope description and most of its examples from a quick look involve sex to some degree thus making me kinda confused on what to do.
Thank you in advance.
openFetishFuel
Do we still collect Fetish Fuel examples on YMMV pages? I know there's a warning about not collecting examples on the actual trope page itself, but does that apply to work pages as well? It has a lot of 'related' links, so I can't figure it out just by looking at the trope page.
Edited by WyldchyldopenBiased Troper (only in regards to Paper Mario, though) Videogame
DarkChirano
seems to have a hateboner for the recent entries of Paper Mario (that is to say, Sticker Star and Color Splash), often being quick to put in information that, while factual, attacks the game, or being biased on the YMMV pages. Although some of it is older, almost all of it is out against the games:
- From early 2016, calling Sticker Star an Obvious Beta for interesting reasons:
Obvious Beta: While the game doesn't suffer any intrinsic technical issues, several basic features such as a secondary stat/meter (which actually was in a beta) or a unique reward type for defeating enemies are not present. Action Command prompts are also missing in action, meaning the player won't know Things have action commands. The programming behind Kersti's advice is also incredibly simplistic, only giving advice by activated event flags, compared to the first two Paper Mario's guides giving advice by the room. This may have to do with the developers scrapping the game twice.
- Attacking the current developers (who made the aforementioned games) as well as producer Kensuke Tanabe on YMMV.Paper Mario (bolded is what they added):
Worse still, some interviews have stated that they've handed over the reigns of the "Mario RPG" completely to the Mario And Luigi series, so there are some serious concerns that, as long as the creative team of the eighth gen games stay in charge, the dork age will literally never end.As has been explained many times, the Toad species have become The Scrappy to the Paper Mario fanbase due to an overabundance of generic Toads with no unique names and no real differences beyond colours or certain outfits. In addition, Toads are almost the only NPCs in both Sticker Star and Color Splash, greatly contrasting with the sheer variety of NPCs that the previous games had. This isn't helped by producer Kensuke Tanabe thinking Toads are the only usable friendly species, nor the fact the other current producers and directors also believe this to be true.
- Adding in more hate for Tanabe as well as the devs on YMMV.Paper Mario Color Splash (once again, bold is a new addition):
An interview
with Kensuke Tanabe revealed that Miyamoto was responsible for the lack of original characters, which was one of the major complaints about the game. However, this same interview also revealed Tanabe went to Miyamoto near-immediately after becoming producer for Color Splash, rather than Miyamoto coming to him. There's also the detail he never mentioned trying to negotiate the character restriction down, even if he couldn't outright say "No".
Risa Tabata also got a fair bit of scorn, getting the same treatment as Miyamoto. This is mainly thanks to the infamous interview with GameXplain, where most answers were either really vague such as "I don’t know if I want to say a proper story–but we have a story" or saying that since there's Mario & Luigi, there's "no need for RPG elements", which caused a massive Internet Backdraft. But at the end of the day, she's simply an assistant producer and not the lead developer, and thus she doesn't deserve some of the hatred she got beyond that interview. It's also worth stating she's mentioned Tanabe's influence a few times.The game itself started development very shortly after the release of Sticker Star, so by the time fans began savaging the revamped gameplay style, Intelligent Systems had put too much work into Color Splash to scrap it and start over. Of course, that in turn leads to the question of post-release patches for mechanic tweaks, such as the ScrappyMechanics mentioned below. - Pointing out that almost every character introduced in Sticker Star "doesn't actually have a name-name" on Characters.Paper Mario and calling it ironic that there are only 5 Toads in Color Splash with real names.
- As stated by lalalei2001, blaming Kensuke Tanabe and Rise Tabata for the whole "making Mario & Luigi the de-facto Mario RPG series" mess on YMMV.Mario And Luigi.
- Continuing the hatred of Tanabe and claiming that he thinks Toads are the only friendly species from the main series on Critical Research Failure.
* The reason why the 8th gen Paper Mario games only have Toads as a recurring friendly species is because producer Kensuke Tanabe thinks they're the only allies Mario has in the main series, and has encouraged his fellow staff to think likewise. Even a quick glance towards early gameplay of several main series games quickly demonstrate the utter falsehood of this belief, with species such as Piantas, Nokis, Jibberjays and Whittles, among many others.
However, their non-Paper Mario related edits seem to have been made by a reasonable person, so I'm not sure what's up, which is why I brought it here.
Edited by MegaMarioManopenPutting entries about your own content on Funny Moments pages
I'm not asking this because I want to put an entry about something I made on a page, but because someone else did. On the M-Z section of the YouTube Poop Funny Moments page, a troper named Robot Chao (who I'm concerned is a budding Small Name, Big Ego, hence I'm hesitating to interact with him) added a moment relating to some YTP he made himself.
I'm just not sure what to do about it so I went here. Should this guy's entry about his own video on the page be removed? Left alone? Should someone ask him about it?
Edited by kablammin45openSuper Complaint Edit on So Bad Its Good Anime
- Anata To Scandal has some golden moments here and there but it's problem is that the story doesn't seem to know what it wants to be. Tomoka is your Ordinary High-School Student piano genius who sees a Bishōnen every day on the train to school and has fallen in love with him. One day her friends notice that this crush has gone to Stalker with a Crush levels as she has brought a camera to school and is going to secretly take a picture next time she sees him. That afternoon a man gropes her and she's saved by another Bishōnen in front of her crush and after police arrest the man and the boys leave on the next train she takes a picture of her crush. Later she goes to a party and the boys are members of the band playing there. They recognize her and stamp her a pervert, she gets drunk, and finds out that her crush is in fact a Bifauxnen, but her feelings doesn't disappear and her Childhood Friend falls in love with her. So our now Bi The Way heroine finds the thought of others being lesbian gross yet still has no problem being one herself. The other band members fall for her making it an awkward Love Dodecahedron. The Bifauxnen is seemingly asexual, but starts falling for her twice as old fiance after he kept her captive for a few days. It keeps on going back on forth whether it wants to be a Yuri Genre or not making it a mess of Unfortunate Implications that unintentionally Crosses the Line Twice that one might keep on reading wondering "how will this mess end?!". Tomoka herself is an unlikeable character who is supposed to be a Spoiled Sweet character but ends up with a weird mix of wangst and gayngst and is seemingly a Sociopath.
This is definitely not a kosher edit... OR IS IT? Because as its stands is REALLY whiny and not what the trope is about at all.
openThe Roleplay Glowfic page
Glowfic (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Roleplay/Glowfic)
is relatively obscure but really really fun and I want to get the tvtropes page for it up to par - how do I go about finding people who are interested in helping me? (I can explain things about it and stuff and get examples of tropes but am not so good at trying to edit the page itself.)
open Tv Show Scene, can't remember which show
I can partially picture a scene but can't remember which show it's from and it's driving me nuts! The protagonist is a woman, old enough to be established in her career I believe, but maybe has been laid off recently or for some reason that's "not her fault" not working. She is a writer and considers herself to be a serious writer. She's been courted by a blog (I think, or a vlog) startup that is run by someone who I think she knows from a past life, who is much younger and she finally gives up and is desperate and calls them back and schedules an interview. When she gets there she expects to just be handed the job and the owner sits down with her and asks whether she's prepared samples and tells her to "sell me on you working here." The protagonist is taken aback because she sort of felt like she was deigning to interview in the first place. Ultimately she has nothing prepared and the owner walks her to the elevators and I think she gets a call on the way out the door saying they went in a different direction.
openCan SisterTropes all be SuperTropes of the same SubTrope?
There's a TLP entry (Yellow Is Heroic) that states it is "A Super-Trope to Primary-Color Champion". My knee-jerk reaction was that this was wrong—I think of the Super-Trope, Sister Trope, and Sub-Trope distinctions as being a "tree" structure, where one Super-Trope can have multiple direct Sub Tropes (Sister Tropes to one another), but each group of Sister Tropes would have only one direct Super-Trope. This understanding is supported by the description of The Same But More Specific, which says that a Sub-Trope is something that is The Same But More Specific of the Super-Trope and serves a distinct narrative function.
However, upon digging around, I found that the existing trope Red Is Heroic makes the same claim about being "a" Super-Trope to Primary-Color Champion, while Primary-Color Champion itself states that it is a "A Sub-Trope of Good Colors, Evil Colors, Red Is Heroic and Blue Is Heroic." By contrast, Blue Is Heroic says "A Sub-Trope of Good Colors, Evil Colors. When Blue Is Heroic and Red Is Heroic are both applied to the same character you get a Primary-Color Champion."
To me, the description under Blue Is Heroic is the one that makes sense with the way I think of Super Tropes. Blue Is Heroic, Red Is Heroic, and Primary-Color Champion would all be Sub Tropes of Good Colors, Evil Colors, but Primary-Color Champion wouldn't be a Sub-Trope of either of the single-color tropes because it has a required element that is not covered either Red Is Heroic or Blue Is Heroic, namely the requirement to feature significant amounts of both red and blue rather than just one of the colors individually.
Which usage of Super Tropes is correct?
openJauneBlackSmudge is trying to pick a fight on the RWBY Fridge tab
Here are two of teh tree entries that Jaune Black Smudge put into the RWBY Fridge tab:
- Another reason why Ironwood blamed Ozpin for Beacon is his choice for Pyrrha. Think about it. Ozpin wanted to give the 'incredible' power of a Maiden to a 'seventeen year-old girl'. And she's also just a First Year Beacon Student, young and prone to recklessness and arrogance. Pyrrha might've been the strongest First Year Huntress-in-training at Beacon, but she was 'far' from being the strongest student in the school. At best, she was maybe as strong as a Second Year. But there are plenty of students older than her that could wreck her. Giving the Maiden's Power to her of all people seemed idiotic. After all, it's not like Ozpin has literally trained thousands of Huntresses over the years and could've simply asked one of them to become the Fall Maiden, given that they would be leagues stronger and mature and experienced than Pyrrha. Right? But no, he instead chose Pyrrha.
1. The Sarcasm Mode is made for humor and is used here to poke at the show. 2. This has been discussed to death by RWBY fans and back 3. He tries to imply an Idiot Ball when said character was a natural prodegy when the problem arose from a lack of experience and skill. 4. "ever so handy" is saracastic as well, just being a dick
- And this serves to bite Ozpin in the ass. The thought of that power and the possible loss of her idnetity overwhelms her and makes her feel insecure. And then she goes to fight Cinder in "End of the Beginning". Why? If Ozpin, widely believed to be one of the strongest Huntsmen in Vale, and possibly Remnant was defeated by the Fall Maiden Cinder, what the 'hell' made her believe that she could defeat her? You can see it in their fight when Cinder 'wrecks' Pyrrha. Has it never occurred to anyone that Cinder was toying with her, given that she could've easily blown up the entire floor of Ozpin's office with Pyrrha still in it? Literally, her sacrifice while heart-breaking, was utterly in vain and didn't really stop or slow Cinder at all. The only silver lining to her sacrifice was that it oh-so conveniently unlocked Ruby's Silver Eyes.
open Retroactive Recogntion Joke Film
I was wondering if there is a trope for a joke or reference that doesnt make much sense until alot later. I was looking at the Mallrats page in the Funny section. The original troper (and myself) didnt understand, or even hear, the Junior Masters and Johnson reference by TS. Now thanks to the tv show Masters of Sex - its easy to understand that TS was referencing the Masters and Johnson research team. So another way to ask the question - I have a friend who saw Spaceballs before she saw Empire Strikes back. Once she sees Empire - hopefully, more jokes will make sense. Is there a trope name for that?
open Is there a NON-supernatural [MUNDANE] counterpart to PsychoElectro?
TL;Dr: Is there a Trope for characters that like to play with electricity and in the process happen to blow stuff up? Psycho Electro doesn't seem to apply since that's about supernatural power.
So I am editing a movie [Vet Hard, but unless you're Dutch or Flemish it will probably be very obscure to you] and it features a character that just likes to play with electricity, with disastrous results. There's nothing supernatural about this at all; it's just a character that has an obsession to "wire things up" and happens to often electrocute himself in the process, or sometimes cause a fire (but the latter is totally secundary / coincidentally, thus it's not a case of Pyromaniac). I originally labelled this character Pyromaniac, but upon better reading the description of that trope, that applies to supernatural powers. So what would be the trope for a character obsessed with playing with electricity and in the process blowing stuff up - in a totally NON-supernatural way?
openPage for one's own fanfiction?
I know self-recs or the Recommendation-pages aren't allowed but there's a user who made a whole page for what appears to be their own fanfic (Troper: Haley Sawyer 101, author: Haley Sawyer) and linked it on the general "Main/Fanfic" page, is that allowed..?
Edited by IvarynaopenProblematic Zero-Context Example
[[tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Segal 991 Segal 991]] tried to fill a previously commented-out Zero Context Example in Characters.Banjo Kazooie by merely adding "Just look at her" to Ms. Fanservice (the involved character is Humba Wumba). I commented it out back because that said absolutely nothing on whether the trope (for starters, the trope has to be addressed In-Universe, i.e. the work itself has to deliberately portray the character as Fanservice-rife). Then the troper uncommented it and the only difference is that the text was marginally expanded: "Just look at her! Quite the sexy and cute one, isn't she?". That not only contains the same problem I mentioned before, but now it reads even more natter-y and lewd-like than ever.
I'm having the urge to comment it out again or even remove it under the reasoning that the game simply makes not effort at highlighting the "fanservice" aspect of the character. Unfortunately, doing just that would probably qualify as an Edit War so I'm bringing the issue here. I had already sent a ZCE Issue Helper to Segal upon the first offense so I don't think doing it again will help.
openRecap.EmeraldCity Live Action TV
A few of the Emerald City recap pages had improper Wiki Words, so I put them on the cutlist with a note that they needed to be recreated under the proper Wiki Word. The cutmaster cut them, but didn't restore them, and now the history is gone so I can't do it myself. This is especially odd as I also requested the same thing for a Recap.The Flash 2014 recap page, and it was done correctly there.
openIndexing characters in quotes page?
So, I came from the Quotes wiki forum, and I asked them if characters can be indexed in the quotes pages. They told me to ask here. The characters are Goku Black and Zamasu My Future Self and Me
Edited by Tomodachiopen Is this a case of "Character as himself" or not?
The 7th Heaven page features the entry:
- Character as Himself: In this case, the ever suffering Happy the Dog...plays Happy the Dog. She got starring billing for her stirring role playing a common housedog, though her Emmy submissions always seemed to be rejected.
Seems to me the only reason the above entry was created was because this dog happened to be called "Happy" both In-Universe and in Real Life; and isn't any non-human animal character "playing themselves" by definition, thus making the above entry too People Sit On Chairs / Captain Obvious?

Stranrep has re-added an example about Kingdom Come to Strawman Has a Point without comment or discussion.
This example is one that's been heavily edited and deleted multiple times over, presumably because the work itself is actually pretty heavy on Both Sides Have a Point. Neither side is clearly defined as purely right or purely wrong, and the ending heavily argues that Taking a Third Option is the only way for the inherent problems NOT to end in total tragedy.
Edited by KingZeal