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open Self discovery trope Film
I am wanting to learn all I can about tropes of self discovery. I am writing a TV show where the protagonist's intention is 'to find herself / to take control of her life / to listen to her own voice' - the framing being that she has led a life of literal seclusion from any world outside of hers and that she has had all of her big life decisions dictated to her by other people.
Here is my question; All tropes that seem to exist around this topic never quite feel like the perfect fit. The 'Journey To Discover Oneself' trope listed on the site is about characters at the end of a movie still questioning after a major event, and out of Booker's 9 basic stories/plots the intention of self discovery seems to lie somewhere between a 'rebirth', 'Rebellion Against The One' and 'Tragedy'.... with a mix of twists on the 'Coming Of Age' trope.
Can anyone help by offering any clear tropes and examples of movies that follow self discovery tropes? Is it too broad of an intention to exist in the confines of a trope? I am surprised a journey to find oneself isn't one of booker's 9 plots, can anyone shed any light on this?
Thank you,
X
open Jana Whitaker in YOLO (internet girls #4) Literature
does she cut or she depressed? (ie. there's a part in yolo that says something like "why would jana post about almost cutting herself?" she gained a lot of weight, and the status updates the winsome threesome report on her, are very upsetting?)
openCurbing What An Idiot entries
The more I read the subpages, the more I think that we really need to cut a lot of the What An Idiot entries. A lot of them are just general mistakes rather than idiocy. It just seems like a dumping ground at this point.
I would do it myself, but I don't know if I have the time to do it. Also, I feel like I would need permission to do so.
Edited by SatoshiBakuraopenNo religion in historical fantasy
So I've been watching Merlin the BBC show, and I've been enjoying it but I've had one major issue. Their is no Christianity, which is really weird given the setting. It's set in a post Roman but pre Saxon Britian. Uther Pendragon, The King of Camelot is committed to stamping out magic and The Old Religion. Now an Old Religion implies a new religion, but this new religion is never mentioned. Pendragon's anti magic crusade is a purely personal thing, he has no larger ideological justification of any kind.
Now, it's obvious what that that new religion should be. Christianity, a faith that did cleanse older pagan faiths from the British isles. But it never appears, not a priest not even a cross in the background. It's kind of annoying.
This isn't the first semi historical thing that does this, some versions of Marvel Comics have Captain America fight Hydra and never even mention Hitler. So my question, is their a name for this kind of thing? When semi historical fiction air brushes out whole parts of the history it nominally bases itself on?
openAvoiding an EditWar Videogame
Nintendoer asked a meta question on Headscratchers.Pokemon Sun And Moon. I deleted it with this note: "This question is more appropriate for Discussion or a Forum thread. Headscratchers is for questions about the game itself, not meta fan theories." They promplty readded the question. Is Headscratchers the appropriate place?
Edited by ChaoticQueenopenExtremely Short Timespan
Does Extremely Short Timespan require that the plot happen in 3 days or less? Because I've got this example and I don't know if it fits:
"This game takes place over a far shorter amount of time than any other main series game: just under a month, excluding DLC. Case 1 starts on April 23, case 5 ends on May 19. Only the Investigations games cover less time. To wit, Case 3 ends on May 12, and Case 4 takes place on May 13... with the same prosecutor. In a different country. And he somehow familiarized himself with rakugo tradition in preparation. However, the DLC case, Turnabout Time Traveler, takes place after a four month timeskip."
For those who don't know, the example is from Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – Spirit of Justice, a game belonging to the Ace Attorney series. The plot in the games in this series usually spans through half a year or more, yet in this game it all takes place in less than a month.
Edited by GosicrystalopenAbout tropers who make pages of their own fanfics/roleplays?
What is the general opinion on such Tropers?
On the one hand, I myself have taken an interest in a lot of videogames and movies I wouldn't have given a second glance because of TV Tropes and find it justifiable on the grounds that it would give it more exposure to the Troper's works.
On the other hand, it seems like the sort of thing that a very annoying person would do.
So, thoughts?
EDIT:
Conclusion:
1. The Troper's intention must not be to advertise his work.
2. The Troper must not point out the reactions of the audience.
3. The Troper must not act like a self-aggrandizing twat that praises his work's quality.
4. If there is criticism to be had, the Troper has no right to censor it. And if he ends up hating his work and wants the page gone, then too bad. It's here forever.
Opinions however, are either: "You can do that, but it's best others put it here" Or: "Eh, sure. Knock yourself out, just follow the rules"
Edited by TheOldmanopenHelp would be appreciated!
Hello, I was wondering - Is there a way to make a self demonstration page? I'm new to this website and I'd really like to know!! Thank you, clankgirl
openSelf-Demonstrating Troper page?
Anyone has a clue about what to do with SelfDemonstrating.Doc Scratch?
It vaguely looks like a contributor page, but it's in the SelfDemonstrating/ namespace plus it's almost fully spoilered (and no, I didn't bother read it in full). Note that there exists a Tropers.Doc Scratch page, except it's nearly empty.
So, move the content to the Tropers/ namespace? Or cutlist the whole thing for not following standards?
Edited by StFanopenTroper pushing "Frying Dory Collab" Petition
a-wasted-life
has been pushing an agenda recently. They've been editing pages related to YTP creator EmperorLemon and have been posting calls to join a Twitter campaign to make a "Frying Dory" collab, since Emperor Lemon won't make one himself.
openConcerning entry in the Ace Attorney Investigations witnesses page under Zinc Lablanc II
- Expy: Of Donald Trump, fat, vain, and sees himself as more worth than others.
I know Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment is in effect for anything regarding the 2016 election so I probably should have removed the entry already, but I'm asking for second opinions just in case. Even then, I see misuse of the trope itself.
Edited by AkoSiKuya23openAre Calvin's parents hated?
Someone just added this to YMMV.Calvin And Hobbes.
- The Scrappy: Calvin's parents were criticized early in the strip for being too harsh and needlessly sarcastic to Calvin. One strip even has them arguing on whether or not they're sorry for having him with his father wishing to buy a dachshund instead. Watterson himself addressed this, saying their reactions to Calvin's antics make them more realistic. While his mom has since been rescued for being the better Reasonable Authority Figure, his dad still has a hatedom not just for being a Jerkass to Calvin but also an Author Avatar for Watterson in the later years of the strip.
Last time I checked, Calvin's dad is really popular and well-liked due to the Running Gag of making up facts whenever Calvin asks him a question, to the extent that there's a subreddit called "r/Explain Like Im Calvin" involving people doing the above. So doesn't this disqualify them?
openBroken Ace Anime
Another trope and I are having a disagreement about whether or not Goku Black fits under Broken Ace. This is the entry in question:
- Broken Ace: When he was Zamasu, he was an up and coming Supreme Kai who was promoted from a regular Kai. His fighting talent was so great that he was only a little weaker than Super Saiyan 2 Goku, after he'd absorbed god energy and whose base from is stronger than Super Buu. After losing to Goku in a friendly sparring match, his sanity shattered and he becomes obsessed with Goku and spreading his form of justice. To that end, he murdered his master to get the Time Ring, takes Goku's body using the Super Dragon Balls, and then murders Goku and his family. Although Zamasu, now Goku Black, is stronger than he ever was before, he isn't sane anymore, especially with his rapid mood-swings. He is also still obsessed with Goku to the point of mimicking his mannerisms, fighting style, and techniques.
Snowy 66 comment out the trope under this edit: : Broken Ace is very specific. They need to be The Ace on the surface like a mask, but on the inside they're something completely different, either full of self loathing or a hidden villain. Black doesn't use The Ace persona as a mask, he completely shows his true colors.
Thing is, he kind of does giving that he stole someone else's identity, name, is still sore about losing a sparring match. He's also not sane despite trying to act like he is.
open Issue on the So Bad Its Horrible Animated Film page
Lately there's been this guy who keeps taking a particular film (Happily N'ever After) off the page under the pretense that "there are some people on You Tube that like it" and claimed to me (in a private message after I re-added the film) that it won an award (namely an Artios award, one that exists, but I've never heard of, quite honestly, and the award was an actress being nominated for a best voice actress award, nothing to do with the film's quality in animation and writing). What should I do about this? I'm fairly certain that he's taking it down only because he himself likes the movie (for whatever reason) and is taking offense to it being listed on the Horrible page.
Edited by kablammin45open Kinda like Little Nikki
I remember a movie where a mafia gang is going to execute a girl by letting a train run over her. Right as the train reaches her one of the men throws her off the tracks and gets killed himself, it was at night so I don't know who the actors were. The man is redeemed by this one good act and goes to heaven instead of hell. He comes back as an angel and tries to get his friends to redeem themselves, maybe, but they reject him. It was a low quality comedy movie, if I remember it right, with the camera quality of the late 80s to early 90s.
Edited by BitsAndPiecesopenIf it is not "Deader Than Disco", that what is it?
There has been a huge clean-up of the Deader Than Disco trope recently. Fair enough, but I wonder where certain cut entries could get a new home. Many of the earlier DTD entries could be moved to a different trope, but I don't know where this one belongs:
- Lil Abner: The strip fell into this pretty hard. For a couple of decades (40s-60s), it was the most popular comic strip in America by a mile, with an estimated daily readership of 70 million in the US alone (back when the country's population was ~180 million.) The strip produced omnipresent merchandise and even a few live-action films. Al Capp was called the modern-day Mark Twain. Characters from the strip, such as Daisy Mae, Sadie Hawkins, and Lena the Hyena were part of the Small Reference Pools. It also spawned an extremely successful spinoff character, the Schmoo, which was a cultural phenomenon in its own right. The main reason it died off in popularity was because of its complete alienation of the baby boomer generation. Al Capp became increasingly conservative in his later years, and the strip started taking regular potshots at the civil rights movement, hippies, and anti-war protesters, including an infamous feud with John Lennon. Perhaps even worse, in 1971, Al Capp got caught in multiple near-simultaneous sex scandals that led to many newspapers dropping the strip out of protest. Due to these two factors, the strip's popularity plummeted in the 70s, until it finally ended in 1977 by Capp himself. The result is that today, the strip is a footnote in the history of American pop culture if it's even remembered at all. Perhaps ironically, its biggest continuing legacy might be the concept of Sadie Hawkins dances.
It is not "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny, right? Because there is nothing in the entry about the comic being creatively impressive for its time. I believed that Society Marches On could be it, but it seems to about how writers seem to think that people in the future has the same values as people today. So...? I believe that someone in the clean-up thread mentioned Seasonal Rot. Could that work?
Edited by FuriennaopenEdit War in Characters.OverwatchSupport
YZQ added the following entry to Characters.Overwatch Support under Difficult, but Awesome:
- Another Difficult, but Awesome skill of [Lucio's] is the Sound Barrier. The skill takes a bit longer to activate after initiation as he jumps into the air and slams his weapon down on a surface to generate said barrier, during which he can be killed. Also, the shield itself decays rapidly, an issue when some ultimates can only be absorbed satisfactorily when the shield is at max strength (e.g. RIP-Tire). But, a Lúcio who can grasp the timing well will be able to shield his team from potential wipes.
I deleted it, leaving as an edit reason that while certainly awesome, Lucio's Sound Barrier doesn't take any better timing than any other defensive ult and no mechanical skill to speak of, rendering it not particularly difficult by the standards of the game. YZQ immediately restored it giving no edit reason.
Edited by HighCrateopenDraco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater
Can it co-exist together? I had in mind that a character exudes both good points and bad points. The character is considered on DILP when some fans felt like the good points were exaggerated, while the bad points was ignored. However, in the same time, the other camp gave the character RTDE when some fans felt like the bad points were exaggerated and the good points ignored.
What does this mean, a coexistence of Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater or merely Base-Breaking Character? Please note that the character itself isn't that hated, it's just their good qualities overexaggerated or their bad qualities overexaggerated, at the cost of the other one.
openNext of Kin (1982) Film
Has anyone here seen or heard of Next of Kin (1982)? Because I could really use a bit of help in writing its tropes page. This is mainly down to the fact that I have never actually had the chance to watch the film (though I have heard it's really good) but it also has to do with the fact that I have been getting virtually no real-life social interaction these days, and so I often find myself at a loss for words whenever I try to write something down.
Edited by Scifimaster92

The character pages for Metal Gear list characters in the order in which they appear in the series. Major spoilers ahead, so read at your own risk.
SIGINT is listed on Characters.Metal Gear Solid, because MGS 4 reveals he's Donald Anderson. By this logic, there are several characters on Characters.Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain who don't belong there. Venom Snake should be in Characters.Metal Gear 1 and Eli, Tretij Rebinok, and Ishmael should have their tropes moved to their original character pages. The Man on Fire being Volgin gets a pass because it's basically its own entity. In fact, Big Boss himself should be moved from Characters.Metal Gear 1 to Characters.Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake.
I know these give away huge spoilers, but if we're going to do it for SIGINT then we need to be consistent and do it for all the other characters.