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openSchool Study Media
I've noticed School Study Media in trope lists on works pages (basically to say "this work is assigned in schools"). I'm sure that's wrong, but should School Study Media be trivia or just an index? The page itself doesn't make it clear.
I know this needs fixing, just not sure what kind.
Edited by DracMonsteropenWrong namespace
VideoGame.Marvel DC Crisis Of Infinite Brands need to be moved to Darth Wiki since it's stated to be a fan project. (The page itself could use an overhaul as well.)
open 90's Tv special
Looking for the name of a tv special that was aired i think on CBC perhaps. It was aired a few years in a row in the 1990's. I remember that there was a young boy likely 10 or 12 who was troubled.. had mental health issues and liked playing with fire. He would hide himself in this little closet and make drawings of dark/satanic photos on the closet walls. I remember he got playing with fire and the place caught on fire. The song Crimson and Clover was playing at this time.
open Giant Spiders
On the Giant Spiders page, Spider Riders is a ZCE and The Hobbit has an indentation problem.
My connection is so bad right now, I'm afraid I'll inadvertently sic Data Vampires on the page if I do the edits myself. :( Please help?
openInfinity War Tough Act To Follow Film
From YMMV.Avengers Infinity War:
- Tough Act to Follow: Inevitably, any subsequent "event" movie in the MCU will have a hard time topping this, considering the sheer scale involved. The movie itself has to live up to the hype surrounding preceding critically-acclaimed MCU movies, including Iron Man, The Avengers, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Captain America: Civil War. Comparisons to the Russo-directed Captain America movies - both of which have received stronger critical and public reception than Avengers: Age of Ultron did - feel especially inevitable.
Since it feels too early to call Infinity War truly amazing, would anyone mind if I shortened the entry to this:
- Tough Act to Follow: The movie has to live up to the hype surrounding preceding critically-acclaimed MCU movies, with comparisons to the Russo-directed Captain America movies - The Winter Soldier and Civil War, both of which have received stronger critical and public reception than Avengers: Age of Ultron did - feeling especially inevitable.
openIs ElectricBlackGuy flexible enough to have Raoul of MegamanBattleNetwork as an example?
Is Electric Black Guy flexible enough to have Raoul of Mega Man Battle Network as an example? He can't make electricity himself, but has a Net Navi (Think Familiar) that controls electricity
Edited by MaladyopenQuestion
Why was the main page for Allen Gregory squeezed out into a shell of its former self? I can understand getting rid of critical reception in the main description but nearly all the descriptive explanations of tropes are now in a Beige Prose.
Edited by FromtheWordsofBRopenEdit War in DeaderThanDisco.RealLife
The Deader Than Disco cleanup thread
recently replaced the DeaderThanDisco.Real Life page with a sandboxed version that cut out many, many, MANY examples of misuse, shoehorning, and general complaining. Troper Jhonny took it upon himself to restore several cut entries. I re-deleted them with an edit reason inviting him to join us in that thread if he wished to argue for their reinstatement.
He did so, and when he couldn't gin up any support for his arguments, took it upon himself to restore one of the cut entries anyway.
Edited by HighCrateopen"Bad" Comics for Inspiration? Webcomic
Here's the sitch - I've got me this fantasy story. The main character is your typical determined hero who is optimistic, a bit on the uncouth side, and not necessarily the brightest academic wise (but very knowledgeable in the emotional departments). It takes place in a grand fantasy world and follows this character and her troupe of friends in a slice-of-life/comedy/adventure story thats main priorities are character and situation interactions. How will ——- and ——- deal with ——-? What does ——- really think of ——-? How will ——- react when they find out ——-'s secret? Things like that.
While making this, I was inspired by comics like One Piece and Fairy Tail, two series that I enjoyed because of how much the characters and the world entertained me. The richness of the fictional worlds, the character's personalities and emotions, the relationships and their effects on others, and the problem-solving skills used when facing a formidable foe are all very interesting to me and things I really want to focus on. However, I've recently discovered that these comics, the ones that led me to identify all that I wanted in my own, are being criticized for lacking depth, being too generic, and overall just being bad. I'm not a critic myself, and I'm fairly new to storytelling. I just want to make a good, well-written story that lets people feel good while reading it, something fun for people to read. But if I were to adhere to a similar formula as these, if I were to take inspiration from these stories and make what I'd like...Would that be bad? Would nobody like it? Would it be shallow of me as a writer?
What elements from stories like these would I want to avoid? What are these weak points I hear about? Should I even be looking at these for inspiration? I just want to make a story that entertains people, and I can't do that if it's filled to the brim with flaws and writing cliches. Nobody would like it, and I can't stand producing things of poor quality. It wouldn't be any fun to do.
Edited by JambeeBeauxopenLuke Cage YMMV Entry Live Action TV
- Tough Act to Follow: Given the universal acclaim of the previous Marvel Netflix entries, this show will have very high expectations going in. Not helped in the least by Daredevil's second season airing earlier in the same year.
Now that the show has actually come out, this sounds like it could use an update. (Plus, the part suggesting that Daredevil season 2 could become a Tough Act to Follow sounds Harsher in Hindsight.) I can't perform the update myself, because I haven't seen the show yet, and have thus tried to avoid reading reviews in detail.
openIndexing Character Sub-Sheets
Should supplementary Character Sheets be italicized in indexes? Generally, these sub-sheets are named after characters from a work rather than the work itself, so why should Superman or the protagonists of The Hunger Games be italicized in indexes?
openTelevision Is Trying to Kill Us
Asking here before I edit, since apparently the last person got wikistalked.
The page seems to be a random collection of tropes that are supposedly deadly and unrealistic, with a touch of panic, but it's insanely lecture-y, reads like a how-to, has more than a touch of Viewers Are Morons, and a lot of tropes added aren't lethal if repeated, or meant to be. Such as Big Eater, Boom, Headshot!, which appears to be meant to be deadly and lethal, British Royal Guards, which seems less "deadly" and "you'll get your ass kicked" and is demonstrated on the trope page itself, et cetera. There's also YMMV stuff thrown in, like Too Smart for Strangers, which claims this trope makes us blind to any kind of abuse perpetrated by someone the victim knows, et cetera. I'm looking at the edit history and there's something of an effort to make it so only Do Not Try This at Home tropes should be there.
I know the whole 'We Are Not Wikipedia' thing is old hat, but... on top of that, it says on the page "This is an index. A description of why a trope fits here is fine but examples should go on the respective trope pages. Try not to add 300 additional bullet points if it can be helped."
Edited by DimensionalShambleropenYMMV's not allowed for creator entries?
I want to create a "Funny Aneurysm" Moment entry for Little Kuriboh's page, in relation to his self deprication about his schedule slips, since he mentions in one of his "We're Still Here" videos that all the pressure from his fanbase ("Where's the next episode?!") over the years has had a very serious effect on him. But I tried to put in on the main page as a sub bullet under Self Deprication and got the "this entry contains a YMMV entry, it should be moved to the YMMV tab" (since I had put a wick to Funny Aneurysm Moment in the text) when I previewed my change. So I tried to make a YMMV tab, and got a page that says creators can't have YMMV pages!
So um...wtf do I do? This pretty clearly falls under FAM to me, but I can't call attention to that at all?
openLiterature/Survivors, Too Dumb To Live Example Literature
On Literature/Survivors, there is this example of Too Dumb to Live:
"The other dogs, from Lucky's point of view (and probably the readers' as well). Individual dogs' antics include going back into a house they just established was filled with carbon monoxide (especially since it had caused the one dog to become unconscious and they had just rescued her), swimming too far out in the river after Lucky had just warned them about it being deep and fast, and one dog trying to put a collar back on after he'd gotten it caught on a bush and nearly choked himself to death."
Now, there are... problems with this example. One, in the book proper, the Leashed Dogs (pet dogs) agree to hold on to one memento as a reminder of their longpaws. (human owners) Of course, this means returning to the houses to get them. Daisy, the one who lived in the house that now has a gas leak, holds her breath as she goes in, knowing the second time around that she shouldn't inhale the toxins. Two, while I don't recall enough to talk about the example with the river, I do know that in a later book, Lucky is actually grateful that the Leashed Dogs kept their collars on, as it saved one dog's (Mickey's, who was the one who almost choked to death in the first place) life.
So, what should we do about this example? In fact, the page could use a little cleaning up, with the series still having new entries being written.
openF bomb tropes
Should tropers be linking to the "F bomb" tropes (Atomic F-Bomb, Precision F-Strike, Cluster F-Bomb) every single fucking time they use the word "fuck"? (Like quoting a work that used it, for instance.)
openLinking to a source but it's in a different language
Sometimes, on Word Of God tropes, there is some sources I would like to add since I want to show the confirmation is real instead of just made up, but the source itself is in a different language. Do I add the source itself anyway or just leave it as it is? I don't want to make it seem fake with nothing to back it up but not many people can read other languages....
It can get troublesome with the saying sounding all wild and not plausible at all, but the only source that shows the people behind the media confirming it is the only one that isn't translated.
Edited by RaddishesopenRashandfierce
What are the odds that Rashandfierce
is not Creator.Sonbreezie? RAF is literally the only person editing Sonbreezie's pages (poorly, I might add. They're putting in waaaaaaaaay too much troping of the artist like they're a fictional character), and have very similar tastes (in both works and fictional crushes).
But troping your own works is fine, the problem is this same person is the only person adding to the YMMV and audience reactions pages.
Honestly, I hope it's the same person because some of the edits come off as overly self-congratulatory if they're the same one, but if they're someone else they're kind of creepy.
Edited by LarkmarnopenEdit explanations for full-page edits?
Often when I finish a new book/movie/series/etc. I will go through the full page here on TV Tropes to clean up, reformat and add/remove tropes as needed. Since I am usually late to the party and the page has already been growing for weeks or months or years, this normally means a lot of edits all done at once; dozens of formatting changes, misapplied tropes deleted, examples re-written, etc.
I usually give a lump-sum edit reason (i.e. "Re-writing whole page") instead of listing every change because that would make the edit reason an essay in itself, but I've been wondering if there's an official way to explain a full-page re-write.
Should I actually specify each and every change? Is there a policy in place?
open2 Jean Grey examples straight form the DepeartmentOfRedundancyDepartment Print Comic
The comics folder on the First Law of Resurrection page has the following two examples
- Jean Grey wasn't actually meant to die at the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga (as stated by Claremont and others), and it was the intention from the beginning to bring her back, just not as a super hero who committed genocide. She has yet to return only because Joe Quesada demanded her death and enforced a "dead means dead" policy concerning her, out of his "characters are 'more interesting' without their Love Interest" beliefs. They got around this by eventually bringing in a teenage, time-displaced Jean in All-New X-Men.
- Jean is remembered as doing this more than she actually has; the Never Live It Down trope was originally named for her. She died at the end of The Dark Phoenix Saga, returned at the beginning of X-Factor, and was an A-list X-Man for decades until a certain cheesy quesadilla decided she had to die to make Cyclops "more interesting." The current comics version of Jean is a younger one from the past. Exactly where the idea that she dies over and over and over comes from isn't quite clear; it could be the various adaptations of the ending of the Phoenix saganote We've seen her return by way of her real body being in a healing cocoon and no two writers having the same idea on if it was her real mind/soul and how it all works, her getting a life force transfusion from the other X-Men, proving to have not actually died but merely lost her memory, continuing to exist as a non-corporeal entit,, and time alterations resulting in her not having gone nuts. However, those are all from comics, shows, and movies who do not share a continuity, each describing her return after the Dark Phoenix ending in a different manner., or it could be the fact that hosts not staying dead is an official power of the Phoenix, so she has to have used it a bunch, right, right? But actually, she hasn't.
while the 2nd one goes into detail about how many times Jean "Phoenix" Grey has actually been brought back from the dead, the first part of it covers the exact same thing as the preceding example, which explains her death at the end of the dark Phoenix saga, Joe Quesada wanting her gone for reasons and that a time-displaced version was used to circumvent that dessication (the only difference being Jean's appearance in X-Factor)
I'm debating with myself what do to do with these entries. The first bullet could be cur or merged with the 2nd, but I feel like that the 2nd example is might have natter problems.
Edited by MorningStar1337

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So, over on the Facebook page, there's a post for Unsettling Gender-Reveal accompanied by a Cyanide and Happiness featuring just that. Now, (along with a lot of the rest of the trans population) it happens to be one of my least favourite tropes (for obvious reasons), but the article itself tackles the trope quite respectfully; mentioning the real life consequences and how it's loaded with Values Dissonance.
Unfortunately, it seems that whoever's running the Facebook account's decided to respond to people discussing the very same Unfortunate Implications in the comments with a "Triggered" meme (one featuring a caricature of a TERF, no less). That's...really not the sort of thing I want to see directed at myself as a transwoman, or being used to represent me as a troper.