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openA weird fixation on crossovers
It's somewhat harder to explain, but the user Sonicfan9988
seems to only edit to throw in a lot of these odd crossover references. The problem, however, is that he's pushing them outside of WMG in things like the actual YMMV sections. A notable one is YMMV/PokemonBlackAndWhite
where they're pushing completely strange theories under Hilarious in Hindsight. While the WMG'ing in itself is fine, they should not be messing with YMMV tropes that make no sense whatsoever.
It's notable that he tried to remake the crossover page in general, and then suddenly added the same page(some weird Sonic crossover) on Darth Wiki. It's a pretty clear fixation and agenda-based entry pimping at this point.
Edited by IreneopenBlanked page
The work page The Road to Willa Cather Landing was blanked about a year ago (by the creator?). That's a faux pas in itself, but should the page even be revived in this instance? It's an orphan that isn't linked to anywhere within the wiki.
openDragon Ball Super Anime
Sorry, but there is a problem in the https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/DragonBallSuper
. A troper named Monsund added some stuff to the YMMV that was based off of misinformation. Long story short, the troper added information and tropes for the Pilaf Gang such as Unintentionally Un Sympathetic and Moral Event Horizon. The misinformation being that they stole or took the last wish before Piccolo was killed in the Future Trunks' timeline. When in truth, they gathered the Dragon Balls on their own and made a wish that happened to be the final wish Shenron granted before dying. So they rightfully found the Dragon Balls and made their wish.
I know the YMMV is opinion base, but the information is factually incorrect and Unintentionally Un Sympathetic is misused since the person they're blaming isn't the one who caused the situation, nor is the character made sympathetic to begin with. And Moral Event Horizon is just crazy since even if their wish was selfish, they rightfully found all the Dragon Balls and had the right to make any wish they wanted, while the good guys tried to steal the wish.
Again, since any further action on my part is edit warring, I leave it to the mods to decide who's right in this.
Edited by Ramona122003openTropes in common
A work contains several unrelated tropes (Really 700 Years Old, The Savage Indian, Make My Monster Grow, Glowing Eyes of Doom, etc.) that depend on one character telling the truth about himself, when it's deliberately made unclear whether it's true or not. Can they be lumped together under Unreliable Narrator to avoid a bunch of entries containing a variation on "If the character is telling the truth"?
openWould this be EndOfAnAge
When a member of La Résistance , despite being happy that they eventually managed to pull out a win against the Empire, or Alien Invaders, finds the self drawn back to where their friends and allies had been making their base. Theyve won, their allies have moved on, and they're feeling nostalgic about the days when there was a war on, perhaps because they'd been fighting for so long that the character in question honestly has no idea what they are going to do next.
openEdits to YMMV/TheForceAwakens Film
I noticed on The Force Awakens that Clint Rider deleted a bunch of articles/commentary criticizing the identification of Rey as a Mary Sue as well as added some equivocating language that "In general, there are valid argument that can be made either way, but are likely to still attract criticism."
In general, he basically deleted everything criticizing criticism of he movie, especially if directed against MRA types. And changed some entries to be more critical toward the movie.
His edit reason is "What "controversy?" Glorified muckrakers making clickbait headlines aside (And the Fury Road boycott never happened, the only evidence of its existence was said muckrakers who are known for lying), Furiosa got next to no criticism. Also, I don't see the point of actually including Waid and Del Toro's comments as their own thing- the point is already made enough as is."
Edit- Incidentally, was looking at some of their recent edits and while the example itself probably violated The Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement, on Ghostbusters (2016), there was an entry about how the attacks on Leslie Jones by Milo Icantspellhislastname and his followers finally got him kicked off of twitter, he deleted the entry and gave this edit reason: "Debatable, given how Leslie Jones has a lot of skeletons in her own closet, especially in relation to doing the exact same things Milo did. If you wanna say stuff like that, then politely take it to your tumblr."
So yeah, my MRA alarm is going off.
Edited by Hodor2openMy own troper page.
Is there a way to reopen my troper page but make it private, thus only being visible to me?
If not, is there at least a way to prevent vandalism on the page and make the editing privileges exclusive to just myself?
openWMG: Karate Kid 2 Film
Chosen is shamed in front of the entire image. He has to make up, but after his actions the entire village will probably disown him, not to mention his family. So he only has two choices-leave in shame and never return or spend his life hunting down Daniel. OK, Daniel's still alive in the sequel, but that's only because Chozen was making himself stronger, and eventually he located Daniel (Miyagi was training Hilary Swank and so couldn't rescue Daniel)...what do we think?
Edited by FurtivePigopenI normally would post it under a related entry, but...(rude edit reasons) Videogame
However, I feel this needs its own.
Marth of the Moon's edit reasons are getting rather inappropriate here
on the page. "Oh you motherfucker" and "Quite the Determinator for your shitposting, aren't you?" are extremely rude and uncalled for.
I will note that the entry he reported is reported for a good reason, it's clearly somebody shoehorning their site in for some form of advertisement of a crack pairing. That in itself is a problem(and that particular tumblr
is now attacking the user I'm reporting too, which is exporting drama). However, the fact that Marth of the Moon is being this rude is the entire reason for the pointless drama in the first place. That is not to say that Globplumber(and apparently is a ban evader of someone?) is not a problem regardless.
open Copy-pasted description on Creator/VanBeurenStudios Western Animation
The description on Van Beuren Studios is taken from a blog post about the studio on another website. I was just randomly browsing articles and don't actually know anything about it, so I don't feel comfortable rewriting it myself. Can someone write an original description for the page?
openThe Skybox "Trope" Videogame
Right, so this particular page has been bothering me for some time, with some people already voicing some concerns about it (back in 2010, no less).
First off, the description is written in a pretty nonsensical way:
- "Skyboxes are independent graphical elements." - what does that even mean?
- "Usually, a given skybox can be 'swapped out' for one that suits a particular setting." - well yeah, of course it can, like anything else in the level.
- "Some computer games come with several Skyboxes" - Of course they do.
- "...showing different types of meteorological phenomena (such as aurora borealis or other things that can't physically be rendered) or a even an entirely different setting (apocalyptic vs. modern, for example)." - The first part is correct (although the phrase "can't physically be rendered" doesn't really make sense, I assume it means "in real time".) The second part makes less sense though, what does it mean for a skybox to show a "entirely different setting"? (From what, the rest of the level? Why would a developer want that?)
- "The Skybox may also contain 3D models that will be projected larger than life, such as distant land features or buildings" - this can be debated a bit, since most game engines don't make a distinction between a "Skybox" and the rest of the level. In most games the background elements of a scene are simply that, objects placed in the background outside the area designed for the player. It's only really the Source Engine where there is actually a proper distinction between the two, which is probably what this statement is referring to.
- And then the statement: "Note that Skyboxes are specific to computer games; animated cartoons don't use Skyboxes, for the simple reason that there's no need to use them - the sky will naturally be drawn as part of the cartoon itself." doesn't even make any sense, especially the last part (you don't draw anything in a 3D animated film, and a 2D animated film obviously isn't going to have a "Skybox"). But the statement is also very wrong - CG animated films absolutely use Skyboxes, in fact they use a multitude of different 2D background elements even more frequently then games do, because there's no point in rendering a large part of the background if the camera is only going to be facing a certain direction or move a small distance in the shot.
The description probably needs to be rewritten completely, but there's another issue - this isn't really a trope. This is PeopleSitOnChairs. The fact is there's no point listing examples on this page because virtually every 3D game ever created will have a Skybox of some sort. It's just a basic fact of game development that there's going to be 2D elements in the background, and if the description is believed, the term Skybox also includes 3D background elements, so this article is literally describing the concept of a "background" itself. And every game that takes place in an outdoor environment is going to have one of those. It's such a universal concept that it's almost like making a trope page for the concept of "polygons". Personally I would either move the page over to Useful Notes or just delete it entirely.
Edited by SirBlahopen What trope is this example? Live Action TV
Hi all. I'm fairly certain the answer to my own question is Survivor Guilt, but I think that is a bit more broad than the example.
I'm referring to a season 2 episode of The Newsroom, where Maggie recounts her harrowing experience in Africa; the orphanage where she is sleeping is attacked by cattle raiders and she and the other adults evacuate the kids onto a school bus. Turns out, one of the kids was left behind, so she went back into the orphanage to get him, and carried him out on her back. But while heading back to the bus, her colleague dropped his camera, causing her to turn around... just as a gunshot meant for her hits the kid in the back, killing him.
This event is why she spends the entirety of the season in a state of Heroic BSoD, and I'm trying to determine if there's a trope here beside simple Survivor Guilt. There's an element of Failure-to-Save Murder, in that she tried and failed to save the kid, but it's not that, because nobody blames her for the kid's death... except herself.
I could take this to the TLP, but as I'm not even sure how to distinguish this from the two tropes mentioned, or if there are even any other examples, I thought I'd ask here.
Edited by ginsengaddictopen Laconic / Inverted Trope
So, there's a fun little self-demo convention with Laconic versions of "Playing With" pages. Wherever possible, that little note included in the write-up of most Laconics that says "Visit unabridged version here" is treated like the trope at hand; for example, Subverted Trope has the words, but no link (raising the expectation of there being a link, but there isn't one). Averted Trope doesn't even have the words. On other pages where it merits mentioning, references to the "Main" tab are made, such as with Justified Trope, which states that it's good to have the link here, because most tropers don't know about the "Main" tab. Alas, with this page, that convention is put aside for a rather lame Sdrawkcab Name version of the words. I'd like to be a bit more creative than that. So, is it at all possible to.. say.. change the text in this page's "Main" tab to "Visit unabridged version here"?
openQuestion about edit on No Dub For You
Previously, TheNohrianDarkKnight changed an entry about Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE on No Dub for You to read: "Bill Trinen of NoA claimed this was done in order to match the Japanese feel of the game, though some feel that the localizers just didn't care due to the game not being a hot seller in Japan itself."
I changed it to get rid of the attempt to shoehorn in They Just Didn't Care since they did not provide the necessary citations. They then changed it to read: "According to Bill Trinen of NoA, this game does not have a dub in order to match the Japanese feel of the game, though some think this was actually due to the game's not-so successful run in Japan."
Is the example valid? I get the feeling that it was worded that way to try to hint that Bill Trinen is lying and that Weasel Words are involved, and I wanted to be sure if speculating on such things on that page is allowed.
Edited by dragonfire5000openArchEnemy Anime
Hello,
Me and another troper are having a disagreement about an Arch-Enemy entry on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/DragonBallSuper
.
This is the entry in question:
- He's also beginning to shape up as one to Vegeta as well, considering that Vegeta has made it a point to come after and kill him after Black went after his family. Black returns none of these feelings and just see Vegeta as a Warm-Up Boss.
The 'he' in this case is Black. The disagreement is whether Vegeta sees Black as an Arch-Enemy. I think he does because Vegeta has shown several times that he wants to kill Black for killing Future Bulma and tormenting Future Trunks. He even says that he will pay after isolating himself in Episode 51. The other trope doesn't think Vegeta holds a personal grudged since his reaction seemed mild compared to Goku and Frieza. Which isn't really valid in my opinion.
So, I would like to get some feedback on what others think.
openNo Title
The trope isn't very clear on what it takes to be "like a Nazi". One paragraph states: "Common elements include a black- or brown-uniformed paramilitary political force with simple geometric emblems on their arms, centering on one person as the supreme leader heavily guarded by his black shirted longcoat-wearing minions. Their ideology typically consists of the leader constantly shrieking, "We are the Master Race/Species! We will reign supreme! We will crush all who oppose us! All inferiors shall submit or/and die! Hail Victory!". To that end, they will commit the most hideous of crimes in a heartbeat, and the only thing that will get them to stop is unyielding force."
Are all of these a hard checklist, or interchangeable criteria? For example, the Brotherhood of Steel from Fallout 4 checks off a few of them. Their members wear either brown
◊ or grey
, their logo is simple and geometric
, they are centered on a single supreme leader
◊, who encourages human-supremacy
◊ and the cleansing of ArtificialHuman synths and mutants
◊, even if they only want to be left alone. And the only way to stop them is by through outright force.
The thing is, most of those criteria existed in the previous games as well. It's just that the Brotherhood under the reign of Elder Maxson has taken their xenophobia and militarism Up To Eleven.
More generally, though, the trope itself seems to miss the point of what makes Nazis...well...Nazis. Thanks to Pop Culture Osmosis, nearly every villain of the past 50 years fits this description, but many that should (like, in my opinion, the Brotherhood) are in too much of a "grey area".
Edited by NubianSatyressopenTo delete or not? "Please don't flood this page with feminist propaganda. Keep it on Tumblr. "
Found this sentence as a subullet on Fridge.Metroid, and I am currently debating with myself if it should be deleted or not.
Edited by MorningStar1337

BlackBaroness
restored an entry I removed from the on the grounds that it's basically written as the troper's opinion (instead of the show's) with YMMV links. I even sent her the YMMV issue helper PM. She added it back with the reason being that it's fine because the trope itself is not YMMV, only taking out the Critical Research Failure link, but otherwise leaving it unchanged.
Looking through her past edits, and she's added YMMV links to at least a couple of pages before, despite being here long enough to know that it's not allowed.
Thought I'd bring it here and ask if I should remove it first so I'm not accused of edit-warring.