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openWhy is Joker's Main!Injustice page SelfDemonstrating? Videogame
It's annoying and deters away anyone who wants to read his character page in third person. Keep all the Self-Demonstrating styles to where they belong like SelfDemonstrating.The Joker.
openPossible natter?
A recent attempt at cleaning up Bloom County before I stepped in, as I soon discovered, could've caused at least part of an example to look like Natter:
- Art Evolution: Look at any comic from 1980, then look at any comic from 1984, and then look at any comic from 1989. The differences are striking. More specifically, the art was very blobby and scratchy in the very first year, and then it started to ape Doonesbury for a while (something that even Berke Breathed himself admits to). Over time, it gradually became much finer and clearer, with Berke putting more detail into his inking and even crosshatching at times. The fine, crosshatched style carried over to successor Outland, and by the time he made Opus, he even changed up his coloring style drastically. Lampshaded by Opus on the back cover of one of the omnibus editions, where he complains about how the book shows how his nose has grown, like some big ol' goiter.
I've commented the whole trope out on that page until we can figure out how to better correct this example.
open Is it okay to remove Awesome moments? Western Animation
There's an entry over in Popeye that sounds awesome at first- Popeye beating up a jerk and helping out a poor kid- until one realizes that it's a pure Designated Hero moment for Popeye himself as the guy was being a jerk but not being a criminal whereas Popeye himself considers committing multiple crimes (assault, destruction of property, theft) a "good deed." It feels like such a cringe-worthy moment for the legacy of such a great character that I brought it up in the Discussion page there but I'm not holding my breath for any replies. YMMV, of course. I just want to make sure it's okay to do so with good reason as I've had people remove things I've added to Awesome pages in the past since they edited based on their point of view.
openSelf Promotion
Is this type of self-promotion allowed?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.StarcraftII
openAlteration in AllLovingHero
ading altered the following example in All-Loving Hero: "* Ender's Game:" Ender Wiggin loves everyone, including the Buggers he's trying to kill. His friends semi-worship him." to "Ender's Game: Ender Wiggin claims, and believes, that he loves even his enemies. Doesn't stop him from brutally murdering them all, though. While most of it is in self-defence, there's also instances where he beats people who were only nuisances to death, including the first bully he kills in the book."
Opinions?
Edited by MagBasopenUgh...! Western Animation
Just look at this grammar!
From Making Fiends:
- Production Posse: Peter Merryman is the voice of Amy Winfrey's Big Bunny. Amy Winfrey herself, who has also done voices in her other cartoons.
I dealt with it via one of my usual manners: commented it out until a way could be found to salvage this mess.
openHow Long Should I Wait to Avoid an Edit War?
A troper named Schonberg made an edit on Characters.One Piece Major Allies changing the names of two characters from their official English translations to their Japanese names. This has happened a couple times already so, due to the Edit War potential, I've held off on reverting. I've sent the troper a PM regarding the change and addressing the points made in his edit reason, also posting those rebuttals in the page's discussion (which I started preemptively hoping to avoid this situation), while also linking to said discussion and a Style Rules thread being worked on in the forums sparked by the last time this came up.
Been a couple days with no response. Not a problem in itself, just me being impatient. My concern, looking at the Schonberg's edit history
, are twofold. One it looks like he's active on roughly a monthly basis, so I'm not sure if my pm will get a response if that pattern holds. Two, he's made such edits before involving these characters, so if I revert, the edit war potential is high and I don't want to get caught up in it and more than I can help.
My current plan is to wait until at least Friday or Saturday (about five days from the initial pm). If there's no response by then, will I be okay reverting the page back to the English names without being one half of an Edit War? Or should I report here as I am doing and leave the reversion to someone like a mod?
openFonzie from Happy Days is evil?
Only answer this if you are a Happy Days fan. The description of Spell My Name with a "The" begins with "Some people insist on putting a "the" at the beginning of their names, avoid these people at all costs", and Fonzie calls himself THE Fonz. Does that mean he is evil?
openWhen to give upon a page Videogame
Some of the pages noted as needing wiki magic just end up... lingering. For years without being fixed. In particular, I'm asking about things like Dark Angael; its three tropes are an aversion that shouldn't have been listed on there in the first place, a ZCE, and flat out incorrect- calling something 'Angael' instead of 'Angel' isn't British English as far as I'm aware, it's My Nayme Is. I've never played the game myself, so I can't help add anything to it, it'll just be even more of a stub if I take off the ZCE and the aversion.
It's been on the Needs Wiki Magic Love index, and nothing's been added or changed for years. What's the policy for these kind of things- how long are they given on the Needs Wiki Magic Love before they're cut?
openSelfDemonstrating.Pilot still shows up on top bar? Webcomic
If you go to any pages for the webcomic Pilot, it stills shows a link to the long-deleted Self Demonstrating page. Is this supposed to happen? Is there a way to get rid of it?
openCharacter pages for shows without fictional characters
The character page for Tokyo Encounter came up because it features what it claims are examples of Hey Its That Voice as an in-universe trope. However, I wonder if the page itself shouldn't be cut because it's troping Real Life people who aren't playing fictional characters on the show.
openRecap page without works page? Live Action TV
I've come across an old draft of mine, which was to be a recap for an episode of a Genre Anthology. I'd like to finish and post it, but I'm hesitating because the show itself doesn't have a page. My focus really has been just on that one episode, and I don't think I know the series itself well enough to list many overall tropes for it or to give a description that's better than a stub.
So: Would it be okay to set up an episode list in the Recap namespace, install that one recap (once it's completed) there, and work up a page for the Series namespace at a later date? Or should the Series page exist first?
Edited by MasoTeyopenAssault Rifle (And general CoolGuns) Cleanup.
Currently.Well, just look at it.. Each description is a text wall (although the M16 and AK families are by far the worst offenders), and quite a few have been inflated by a back-and-forth "this gun's the best, no that gun, no this gun, no those guns are better" to the point of roughly 1k words per wall.
I have a project going to fix that, so this is mostly just asking for help :/. Don't trust myself not to be biased.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14609531630A25725700&page=1#1
open Is there a trope for anachronically uniformized armies? Film
Almost all movies displaying vast armies have their mooks wearing absolute identical gear, even when the time period or the social structure should not allow standardized mass production (look the Trojan army in Troy for example).
Of course it is perfectly understandable to do so (help the viewer to identify the sides in battle, make the faceless mooks even more indiscernable from each other and naturally reduce production costs) but it is still an artifact. So shouldn't it be a trope in its own right? Anachronism Stew doesn't mention it (I agree it's a pretty minor anachronism, especially when the gear is at least correct in itself for the time period, but it's also extremely common)
That's mainly a concern when the time depicted is pre-modern. Stormtroopers or British redcoats naturally have the level of industrialization required to field their soldiers a standardized uniform, but medieval (including medieval fantasy) or ancient troops shouldn't be able to (it doesn't mean that they must be completely disparate: the Rohirrim in the LOTR trilogy avert the standardized aspect and still look coherent. On the other side the soldiers of Gondor play the uniformized part straight, with even the archers wearing the exact same plate armor as everyone else. Finally Saruman's Uruk would be a justified example since we see them mass produce their gear, and industrialization is a big part of Saruman's characterization in the books).
Edited by scarpeopenQuotes Pages for Tropes About Quotes
Considering that the trope itself is for a quote that "changes everything" and the examples on all of the subpages feature said quotes, do we really need a quotes page for this?
Edited by MegaMarioManopenFound a page that needs a revert Literature
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=FanFic.BetterLeftUnsaid#
- looks like the page got overwritten by accident. Can a mod hit the revert button? (it doesn't appear I can do it myself).
open What trope would this belong to?
Would someone tell me what trope this would fall under, given how unpredictable most factors are, the OOC-ness involved in some of them, and other stupidity involved in others?
- The antagonists plans in Cries Unheard (a Lucky Star fanfic) could have been pulled off successfully, and they'd still be alive, if they had been a lot smarter about it instead of relying on everything preceding their only-inevitable demises to fall favorably for them. How does Satoshi know that Minami and her friends won't suspect him, charming as he may have been the previous day, of killing her dog Cherry? How does Riku know Kagami won't drop her infatuation for him and slap him for touching her hair, or suspect him of stalking her when she takes Tsukasa out shopping? Kagami and Tsukasa's real character dictates that there should not have been any tension between them that did result from Kagami "ignoring" her (read: Tsukasa just standing on the sidelines and feeling sorry for herself or thinking that Kagami doesn't love her anymore just because she's got a boyfriend now), which in turn would negate Kenji's efforts to keep those two on any questionable terms. What drives Satoshi to obtain security information from Miyuki about her father's company (which she even mentions only overhearing from said father, Jiro, himself)? How does Kenji know that Minoru (or anyone, for that matter) isn't gonna report what he and Brick did to him to the police? How does he manage to stab Konata in the back in the middle of a crowded summer festival, without her either dying or screaming, and without anyone freaking out at such an act of violence or even batting an eye at some guy carrying a girl's limp body around? How do he and Riku know that Misao and her family isn't gonna wonder what's going on with them and Konata while both parties are out camping next to eachother, or that Misao, who has no one yet to lose, isn't gonna scream for her family's help while being raped, or that said family isn't gonna either step in or identify them for the police? How do those boys know Nanako wouldn't survive a car wreck courtesy of some severed brake cables (and they'd just have one more victim to "work on" if she did survive)? How do they know that none of their secondary victims have friends that their primary ones have never even met, who could step in at a moment's notice once they caught wind of everything before being found out about? How do they know that Kagami will either dismiss Misao's complaints of being raped or let them go when they continue to gaslight her? How do they know Kagami will eventually give them sex, when the world is full of people who will do no such thing under any circumstances except marriage? How do they know that Soujiro and Yui will not suspect anything from Konata's aloofness of late or Yutaka's absence for several weeks straight? How do they know none of their own cohorts will start to feel too overwhelmed from whole thing to continue, and either kill himself to avoid prison or just surrender himself and rat on his fellow Yakuza? Really, Satoshi could have just taken some nude footage that he takes of Miyuki, threatened Jiro with it for the information he needs, and left everyone else alone. One thing goes wrong, which evidently does happen eventually, and the whole operation is fucked. Combined with the stupidity of some of the protagonists regarding things like Minami's dog and Tsukasa and Kagami's relationship, any shred of willing suspension of disbelief at this point is obviously long gone, and there's even a certain What If? fic that shows what would have really happened only the second morning in, rendering everything that originally followed a moot point.
Basically, the author wants you to assume that the antagonists get by (at least for as long as they do, before several of their victims finally kill them) due to sheer genius, but we can tell at this point that they only kept lucking out for a whole month straight before biting the dust.
To be fair, though, they are yakuza, and it's possible that they have others carrying some things offpage; one of the onpage antagonists is even called in only partway through the fic. But even then, there are only so many members of the yakuza, compared to the rest of the Japanese population that they'd eventually have to manage had they survived for even longer, and that says nothing about each individual involved still having to do everything they can to simply save themselves from arrest, which not only detracts from their real goalnote to ship some illegal weapons out somewhere via Jiro's company, the reason Satoshi wanted certain information from Miyuki in the first place (as if it even pertains to her), for which he'd also have to keep her and all her friends divided before hoping to blackmail it from her, but would only get harder and harder the more people they end up having to keep divided and drive to either suicide or hikikomori. (Makes you wonder why they don't just kill them outright, considering the sheer workload involved, the already high risk of life in prison, and the fact that dead people cannot contact authorities while anyone still alive could that either stops caring about everything at stake or has yet to even be accounted for.)
Edited by SeaRoveropenBetterToQuitThanBeFired
Can Better to Die than Be Killed be applied to things other than death?
Like "You can't fire me, I quit!"?
Like, if this is true, the Production Code, where, if censorship is inevitable, self-censorship is better than government?:
"The Production Code was not created or enforced by federal, state, or city government; the Hollywood studios adopted the code in large part in the hopes of avoiding government censorship, preferring self-regulation to government regulation."

Are any character tropes considered self-demonstrating? I'm working on a Characters page with over 70 characters and am starting to feel like a lot of examples/clarification I've been providing is reaching natter levels.
For example: Dark Skinned Blonde: Skin as black as night. You Gotta Have Blue Hair: Light blue with a single braid combined with Peek A Bangs. etc.
The bottom line is, am I doing this correctly?