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In Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault, in the online versus mode, owning nodes will generate money for you, and capturing a node you haven't had in the game yet will let you acquire a new weapon. However, it's possible to shut the other player out by killing them when they try to get nodes and taking them for yourself. This will allow you to get new weapons and more money, which will let you put up barriers over the nodes you own and capture the other nodes faster due to being able to kill the enemies that spawn near them quicker. By doing this, you can leave the other player stuck with their starting Combuster (pistol), and no money to buy base defenses, player upgrades, or an invasion force to attack the enemy base.
Would the above be an example of Can't Catch Up?
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Another lame SelfDemonstrating.Character Pages has been created by fluffything and this time its Flowey from Undertale.
Edited by Loekman3openNo Title
Miin U and I are having a long and heated debate on YMMV.Xenoblade Chronicles X. I don't think either of us are going to change our mind on the topic.
The issue at hand is a debate over whether or not the Hub World of the game counts as a Mary Sue Topia. I added the trope there because it fits all the ticks of one. It's almost a by-the-numbers collectivist utopia. To wit:
- The story characterizes most people there as very happy to be working hard and working together to keep humanity safe on the Death World they're stuck on. (Collectivism typically portrays giving oneself for the good of the society as being inherently good and fulfilling.)
- When alien races begin to show up in the city, most of them become very happy and very interested in being a part of the culture and work ethic of the city. (Collectivism is a culture of conformity, where any pluralism or diverse culture eventually finds a sense of belonging as part of the collective.)
- The only people who are NOT happy with this situation later turn out to either be criminals, sociopaths, xenophobes or misguided people who learn their lesson later. (As the the trope page says, most unhappy people in a Mary Sue Topia are examples of ones who aren't "doing it right" or exist to prove the society right.)
- The story goes out of its way to display any personal problems or flaws as something that either isn't a big deal or that can be solved by the collective society via The Power of Friendship.
- One mission has an alien character who is an Actual Pacifist and refuses to fight. When the leader of the city calls him out for being an "idle citizen" (basically a strain on resources), he makes him an offer to use his Super-Strength to fight. Again, the character is a pacifist, so all his friends stick up for him and one of them goes off on a suicidal mission to become a BLADE (the defacto military) so that she can make up for both of them. When she almost gets killed, the main characters go into a long tract about how people need to work together and look out for each other. Both the pacifist and his friend agree that putting their lives on the line means nothing if it's for the sake of their friends. When they get back to the city, the characters tell the city leader that if he STILL isn't satisfied, then they're prepared to fight extra for their friend so he won't have to. However, he refuses because he doesn't want his friends to suffer because of him. note This is the story basically conceding, once and for all, that his actions are a burden on the collective. Not wanting to fight, even though a noble sentiment, does not help the group and so the karma is that his friends are suffering or putting themselves on the line for his decision. The story ends, however, with the leader changing his offer so that the alien can either find a job in the city "suited to his traits" or leave. Every single character present treats this ultimatum as being a kind, benevolent choice on the part of the city leader.
TL;DR version: To me, this is an obvious political allegory for Collectivism (especially since the game is made in Japan, although the characters are American. Miin U doesn't agree because he feels that if the story was meant to be a collectivist allegory, the characters wouldn't be American.
In the meantime, I've edited my original post to be more succinct and removed the wordy description of the aformentioned mission. That said, if anyone can give their two cents, I'd appreciate it.
Edited by KingZealopenNo Title
I noticed that SelfDemonstrating.Freeza and SelfDemonstrating.Vegeta are... rather inconsistent. The point of a self demonstrating page is that the whole thing is done in-character. These two, however are blends of their canon and abridged characterizations. I have no problem with a self demonstrating page as long as it's written well, but there needs to be a consitency. If we're not cutting the pages, we need to focus on either the canon or abridged characters, not both.
Edited by ChaoticQueenopenNo Title
What exactly is the point of Reflexive Response?
Would that trope count someone reflexively catching something thrown (or shot) at him or dodging a fist (or a vehicle) coming at him or re-balancing himself after a slip?
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Example Indentation question: In the course of cleaning up various work pages, I have encountered a trope example with three subexamples. Indentation is currently correct, i.e.:
- Trope
- Example 1
- Example 2
- Example 3
The problem is that two of the three examples are Zero Context, and I don't know enough about the work to add proper context myself. If I comment out the two ZCEs, the example will display as:
- Trope
- Example 3
* Trope: Example 3
%%** Example 1
%%** Example 2
which, for anything I know to the contrary, is also incorrect. I suppose I could delete the ZCEs outright, but I'm not sure that's considered kosher, either.
So, what's the procedure for this sort of situation?
Edited by GideoncrawleopenNo Title
While it falls under Weblinks Are Not Examples, somebody added a set of NSFW links to the YMMV.Puella Magi Madoka Magica page, under an entry for Memetic Molester.
The entry itself also goes against No Lewdness because of what it is, and just used links to demonstrate it.
I have to ask, is it right that I removed the entry? I will later rewrite it, but right now I could not decide what to do other than remove it to clean it up and simply describe it.
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There's natter on Save the Villain under the Batman Forever example. I'd fix it myself, but I've never seen the movie and have no clue what to put in its place.
Edited by ChaoticQueenopenNo Title
FYI, I removed the following entry added to Strawman Has a Point by I Am Not Beast:
- Politically Incorrect Man
◊: The title character is meant to look like a bully for defending a man who was being prevented from entering an area simply for being male, pointing out that minorities can be just as racist as white people, and expressing concern about obesity (a condition that comes with serious health risks).
I think what's wrong with this is pretty self-evident.
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Can someone explain the difference between Dirty Business and I Did What I Had to Do? Both of them are about choosing pragmatism over idealism — doing a bad thing for a good reason — where the person doing it regrets the necessity but not the action itself. Both tropes reference each other in their descriptions without explaining what the difference is, and there are a lot of overlapping examples.
So is there an actual distinction between the two, or do we basically have the same trope with two different names?
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Lt Fedora has added another lame SelfDemonstrating.Character Pages under the name of James T Kirk from Star Trek
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Since not long after the show premiered, there's been an edit war going on on the character pages for RWBY about whether or not Ambiguous Disorder applies to the protagonist Ruby, and it's about time this got settled once and for all.
The issue has been in discussion here
for the past few days, but there simply hasn't been enough turnout for any clear consensus to be achieved, leaving the discussion at an impasse.
I personally favor the idea that Ruby may have some form of (high funcitoning) autism; this was an observation I initially made intuitively, having a professional diagnosis of Aspergers myself, but going through the diagnostic criteria for the disorder, specifically the DSM-4-TR criteria for Asperger's along with the Adult Asperger's assessment, she seems to fit enough of the criteria to merit a diagnosis.
It may seem like overkill to do that, but this trope has been added, removed, and readded around 5 times since the main characters page was split into teams RWBY and JNPR based on the history. In fact, if my memory serves, this was going on back when the trope was known as "Ambiguously Autistic." It has since been changed into a more generic trope for a character who behaves in a manner which is suggestive of a disorder, but it still applies as far as I can tell.
The full walk-through of the criteria and how I believe they apply to this character can be found on the discussion page I linked to, note that it's a nearly four page long explanation complete with citations, so I'd rather not re-post that to ask the tropers for fear of clogging up the entire page. Nevertheless, some great points were made on the discussion page, so I'd strongly recommend people interested in weighing on on this issue read it.
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This has been a pet peeve of mines for awhile, but can we please do something about Self-Demonstrating page for Deadpool. I general don't have a problem with self demonstration pages, but all the links for Deadpool go straight to this self demonstration page instead of the official trope page. It is actually quite annoying since this problem doesn't seem to exist with any other character.
Edited by Ramona122003openNo Title Literature
I was surprised at how few tropes the Maze Runner series had, until I tried to add one myself and found out many more of them are there, just hidden, with this message at the top of the individual edit pages:
"Zero Context Example entries are NOT allowed on wiki pages. All such entries have been commented out. Add context to the entries before uncommenting them."
What's the point of this? I've never seen it on any other pages I read or edited. Some of the "commented out" tropes DO have examples, and even if they don't, sometimes it's not even necessary because you can tell that someone is an Action Girl without listing every single Action Girly thing she's ever done. Can this be removed?
Edited by TheMoonopenNo Title
Hi guys. I came across the YMMV page for TomSka and I found this entry.
- Alternative Character Interpretation: Tom himself. Is he a struggling Woobie comedic genius who tries his best to be honest with his fans, tries to be a better person and is brought down by his illness, or a Jerkass who pushes people away and blames his personal shortcomings on depression rather than face his own hypocritical tendencies
Is this sort of stuff okay? I'm hesitant to delete YMMV stuff but I'm not sure whether getting into mental illness is a good thing for this site to do. Perhaps I'm being over-sensitive, let me know if I am.

Ecliptor Calrissian put again an example in Live-Action TV saying that the second season of a series was In Name Only with itself.