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openWhere does PlayerTic go? Videogame
This Player Tic example is in YMMV.Devil May Cry.
- Player Tic: Playing Dante in 4 and 5 and just amusing yourself by going into all of his styles one after the other quickly
to listen to Dante rapidly saying the beginnings of his declarations of the style's names is a meme.
Apart from probably needing some simple rewrite (it reads like a run-on sentence to me) or update, the example is indeed a valid Player Tic as it does happen in the fandom.
My only concern is that the lack of any banner on top of the Player Tic page makes it treated like an objective trope (meaning it shouldn't be placed on a YMMV page), so I'm not sure if the example has to remain on the YMMV page. Looking at the related pages, Player Tic is listed under Administrivia.Tropes Needing TRS, but even that Administrivia page sounds confused as to where Player Tic examples should go.
openNew Work Proposal Videogame
I would like to make a page for Disney's Hide and Sneak, a GameCube title that more or less is a spiritual sequel to Disney's Magical Mirror Starring Mickey Mouse a year prior. But I honestly don't know where to begin. I know a few tropes that'll help create the page itself, but some beginner's tips would be greatly appreciated.
Edited by HarmonyBunny2000openVideoGame/{{Diablo}} MagnificentBastard entry Videogame
Baal from the franchise was approved by the thread
. I thought I had forgotten to add him to the YMMV page so I just put him up but later noticed he was deleted here
with the edit reason citing some of the tropes should be going on individual game pages. Noticing my mistake, I've commented out the example but I don't see him being put on any particular game page. To avoid an edit war, does anyone mind pointing me to the proper YMMV page he should be on as I don't know the games myself?
Edit: Changed from a comment out to a deletion of my own addition until this gets resolved just to be on the safe side.
Edited by 43110openExamples of Tropes Attempted, but Perhaps Failed Videogame
I find myself with a trope that I want to add to a page—but one in which, in my opinion, the trope was attempted but failed at. How should such a thing be approached...?
To be a little more specific:
In the game ShadowCaster, the player has access to a number of forms into which they can shapeshift, each having benefits and drawbacks. One form might be fast and strong, another slow but with ranged attacks, etc.
So, Multiform Balance has been implemented, one might note.
Except... that the forms are, in my opinion, not actually particularly balanced. For example, the above-mentioned "slow-but-ranged" character does have some good ranged abilities... but they rely on and quickly consume a somewhat-hard-(or-slow)-to-recover resource. What's more, that resource is shared between forms, so that one form consuming it means that it's less available for other forms to use. What's more, the form is, as mentioned, slow—painfully slow, I find.
But all of that is, of course, YMMV. Perhaps there are others out there who find the forms well-balanced!
So I'm not sure of how to proceed. My instinct is to note the attempt, and also note that it didn't work. But on the other hand, that's perhaps insufficiently objective for a main-page trope. On the third hand, however, to not mention it might suggest that the forms actually are balanced...
Hence my uncertainty! So: What do you advise?
open Edit to Fate/Stay Night character page constitutes vandalism? Videogame
In this edit
for the character page for Saber from Fate/stay night, user SteelDumpling replaced all instances of "Altria" (the character's official English name as of Fate/Grand Order) with "Artoria" (an alternate localization that is preferred by the fans and has been used in some localizations prior to Type-Moon coming down against it), even in instances where this is inaccurate.
I do not want to start an edit war so I have messaged the person requesting they revert the edit. In the event they do not, should I just do it myself?
Edited by Arawn999openOn Scorpider77 Videogame
Scorpider77 seems like a good troper in all respects, except one; he seems to have this wonk over Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam 2 and keeps talking about how everyone is clamoring for it and linking to its page.
There's just one problem: the game doesn't exist. While his non Mario edits are fine, anything pertaining to Mario (Bowser Jr.'s Journey, Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam and YMMV.Mario And Luigi Paper Jam, and YMMV.Mario Plus Rabbids Sparks Of Hope, among others) keeps having him throw in references to this nonexistent game, culminating in him making a since-cut page for it on the 11th of this month.
He also DMed me a link to a tweet that allegedly shows the proof of this clamoring (along with saying the game exists and Nintendo hasn't found the time to reveal it, stated with no proof whatsoever), except it's an analytics link - which can only be seen by the person who made the tweet. So he's shilling both himself and a nonexistent game to the detriment of factual information.
openGenshin Impact - major gamebreaker page renovation Videogame
Genshin Impact's gamebreaker page has become a bit bloated, so myself and another troper have been proposing ways to trim it down. But because this is going to be a very large-scale edit, I wanted more than just one other voice on this before we start pruning. My proposed changes are:
1. Gamebreakers are based on spiral abyss performance only. It's the only "endgame" content and the main-game and timed events are generally too easy to warrant a gamebreaker page. I'd also like to add a disclaimer that gamebreakers are not necessary to "win" at this game since the spiral abyss has very little rewards and this is an expensive Gacha game.
2. Character write-ups focus on their gamebreaking aspects only. Currently they seem to go over every part of their kit leading to bloated entries often getting too far into walkthrough mode or adding meaningless dribble.
3. Cut the artifacts section. It focuses on set bonuses, which while nice are not as important as the substats at the mercy of RNG (so a mixed set with great substats will beat a set bonus with meh stats). That and most characters have more than one viable set, so which is "gamebreaking" is subjective. The Emblem of Severed Fate is the only one worth keeping imo, as while others just amplify already strong characters this one actually fixes holes and makes certain playstyles viable.
4. Cut the elemental reactions section. At this time about two-thirds of all the reactions in the game are listed, making the list less novel. About every reaction has a viable team set-up, so at this point we're just saying it pays to use the game's central mechanic.
What do you think?
openMerging Two Articles Videogame
The article for Leviathan is in a sorry state and would be difficult to repair/add content for. The work itself is a short, direct prequel to Limbus Company, whose article is in a much better state.
Would it make sense to cut Leviathan's article and simply add its tropes to Limbus Company's? There would be folders separating the two, of course.
openNeptunia Characters page Videogame
The characters page is split based on each game. The first game has its own continuity, and the third game introduces some AU Counterparts, but the Hyperdimension characters appear repeatedly throughout the series, so they're often just getting the same tropes on each game's character page. Wouldn't it be better to have Character Specific Pages like Broly's with folders for different continuities as well as one for common traits?
Edited by KOmanopenMedium question for an example. Videogame
I want to add this example to either Multi-Disc Work or its Video Games subpage. However, I'm not sure whether it could fall under "Music" (which is on a folder in the trope's main page) or "Video Games", since while the source work is a video game, the disc work in itself is a soundtrack release (which is quite common for popular video games).
- Hotline Miami:
- In 2017, game publisher Devolver Digital and record label Laced Records teamed up to release a pair of official albums for the soundtracks of the first and second games (respectively) on vinyl, with each album consisting of three LPs and featuring original artwork from El Huervo, one of the soundtracks' artists.
- The 2022 reissue album made for the first game's tenth anniversary has eight LPs (two more than the first two albums combined) alongside Feelies like a disc slipmat, art prints and stickers.
Should I put on "Music", "Video Games" or the "Other" folder?
Edited by Inky100openMetagaming tropes in CCG pages Videogame
Hi, everyone.
Just today I was taking a glance at the Marvel Snap page, and an issue that has frequently popped up in my searches through this site's CCG pages came to my attention.
Metagaming tropes (or using tropes for metagaming). Now, I'm personally a person that loves playing meta decks and the aspect of competition, but I have always felt that this kind of entries doesn't belong in most main work pages (barring stuff like Smogon which main point is the competitive aspect). After a few months working on the Character pages for Yu-Gi-Oh, I found out that these tropes led themselves to constant shoehorning, general examples (like putting Achilles' Heel for every kind of a weakness a deck has) and overly specific entries that are more akin to walkthrough mode. To not mention the fact that the metagame constantly evolves, which means that the entries suffer from a lot from Examples Are Not Recent syndrome, and a few years down the line the entries become outdated.
Inserting a few examples to prove my point (from Hearthstone, the Marvel Snap page itself, and then Yu-Gi-Oh).
- Attack! Attack! Attack!: The general strategy of an aggro deck or a rush deck is to hit the enemy hero relentlessly with charge minions and spells, pausing only to get rid of any Taunt minions that get in the way. The Hunter is particularly good at this, as his hero power lets him keep shooting the enemy hero for 2 damage and can't be mitigated by taunts. The Warlock Zoo Deck is pretty much this taken to the extreme: it consist mostly of cheap creatures, small buffs, and a lot of burst damage. Abusing the Warlock card draw hero power, this deck usually forgoes all non-essential board control and just seeks to absolutely steamroll opponents with tons of small, annoying, efficient minions and burst damage before they can control the board, stabilize and restore Health.
- Exaggerated by the popular (and also much-despised) 'Face Hunter' deck, a deck so mindlessly aggressive (even Zoo Warlock uses its rush advantage to secure board control) that a bot could play it and is regularly able to secure a turn 5 or 6 kill by simply ignoring EVEYRTHING except the opponent. EVERYTHING GOES TO THE FACE!
- Difficult, but Awesome: As explained under All or Nothing, Galactus is normally a very risky card to play, given that he downsizes the game to a single location and he only brings a Power of 3 to win said location. However, if you can get extra Energy (from Psilocke, Electro or locations) and play Galactus early, on a location where your opponent is weaker, you can dominate the game by playing strong cards in subsequent turns. This is still a pretty risky move, since your opponent can have stronger cards in their hands, but it can also totally surprise them. Not to mention, you get to see Galactus' world-destroying animation, which is pure Awesome.
- Achilles' Heel: Some cards have deliberate weaknesses to keep things interesting and keep them from becoming too powerful:
- The Earthbound Immortals
are all very strong, unable to be attacked, and can attack the opponent directly. But, they automatically destroy themselves if there's no Field Spell card on the field. Also, there can only be one Earthbound Immortal on the field.
- Cloudians
must remain in Attack Position or they will destroy themselves.
- In the metagame, this trope is present through deck match-ups and side decking. The most prominent example of this trope the in the competitive scene are, perhaps, the Dark World cards— A deck that is extremely fast, powerful, and can utterly wreck the first duel of the match. However, after said first duel, side in Consecrated Light
or Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror
and watch as they struggle against it.
- Pendulum Summoning is a very powerful summoning type, allowing you to summon multiple high-level monsters at once. However, Pendulum Cards can easily be gotten rid of with backrow removal cards like Twin Twisters and Cosmic Cyclone, cards that nearly every deck runs in some capacity. In addition, cards that immediately destroy or negate summons, such as Bottomless Trap Hole and Solemn Warning, shut it down hard as, thanks to the wording, it destroys/negates all the monsters summoned this way, since they were treated as one summon, which results in you losing a lot of your best cards in a single move as a result. Also, Pendulum Monsters whose Summons got negated and destroyed this way go to the Graveyard instead of back into the Extra Deck so they cannot be easily reclaimed.
- Any archetype that relies on specific spell cards (Gishki, Shaddoll, Masked HEROs, just to name a few) will struggle if said spell is negated by Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell
.
- The Earthbound Immortals
I bring this up because pages like Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft have a massive number of metagaming entries, and I would like to open up this issue to debate for the community. To know if it's actually perceived as a problem or I'm just overblowing this situation.
Edited by Edgar81539openHandling Spoiler-y Tropes Videogame
So, myself and Umbrellas Were Awesome are disagreeing about including tropes that could spoil a part of a work by their very inclusion as examples (ie. by having the trope listed as such, it spoils part of the work).
However, Umbrellas wants to add the trope Boss Subtitles to the characters page for the three. By the nature of that trope, listing it as an example that they have — even if the text after is entirely spoiled out — it would inherently spoil that those characters are boss fights, which the Splatoon pages have otherwise spoilered out.
The reason they cite is that it's because they remember that "being at least slightly spoiled is kind of inherant to the process, and one shouldn't delete or comment out entries simply out of a desire to avoid spoiling literally everything", as listed in their edit reason. Which I agree with, but that the Splatoon 3 pages otherwise always treat the identity of the bosses as a spoiler makes this seem to me like it's just inconsistent.
What would be the correct way to treat that trope in this case? I did consult the spoiler policy, but it doesn't clarify for these kinds of situations where the inclusion of a trope causes a spoiler itself.
openNot too sure about starting a fanfic page about a Japanese fanwork Videogame
Hello Tropers,
Today I want to consider doing and creating a page for another Fan Fic of Touhou Project known as "Touhou Baseball in Heat Star 2007", by "Decorun-san" in Nico Video website, as seen here
. I cannot plan to translate everything and this is a Japanese work with No Dub for You (no English translation), and I'm the only one interested currently in making the page.
Question is, since I cannot simply just create a fan-work page by myself, for now I'm considering to instead put it in Sandbox. For now, I just decide to load up with a plenty of tropes based on analysis from a rough translation from what I got.
Can I get suggestions with how are non-English fan works are generally handled? Maybe if necessary you can redirect me to a forum topic if needed, but I'm just curious, honestly.
Thank you for your attention.
Edited by JustNormalMusicLoveropen How to create a constant link in character page? Videogame
I created a separate character page for Claire Redfield in Resident Evil (because it's an abomination that Ada Wong would have one but not her), but I'm wondering whether I need to go through each individual character page in the series and manually generate the link to the page itself or if there's a way to easily index it somewhere?
openConflicting Examples Videogame
Hellboy: The Science of Evil has examples for both No Problem With Licensed Games and The Problem with Licensed Games and I wouldn't think they can both be true.
- No Problem with Licensed Games: While it isn't a great example, it is definitely better than the other Hellboy licensed games, with Ron Perlman, Selma Blair and Doug Jones voicing the characters as they did in the films.
- The Problem with Licensed Games: While it was made from the makers and cast of the film duology, it wasn't programmed very well.
I've no played the game myself but I'd would seem better to combine them into something like:
- The Problem with Licensed Games: While it is definitely better than previous Hellboy games and it benefits from being made by the makers and cast of the film duology, with Ron Perlman, Selma Blair and Doug Jones reprising their role, it still wasn't programmed very well.
Or vice versa, since that example seems to come across slanted towards it being good. As I say I haven't play the game so I don't know what the issues with it were.
openMetal Gear Rising Revengeance's Meme page Videogame
So, I think there is apparently the fact about the Memes page of Metal Gear. However, there seems to be also a separate Memes page of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, despite the fact that the former also happens to include Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance itself.
This includes some memes similar between the both or significantly different ones, and some that are not included in one page or the other.
My guess is probably it'll have to be merged (either in MGRR's own page and note in the main Metal Gear's page that a separate page exists for it, or cut the separate page and put them all in the franchise's meme page), but considering how much the meta went with the game itself rather than the entire franchise, I'm in favor of merging them all into giving Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance it's own separate page of memes from the rest of Metal Gear.
The page in question was first created in Jan 22nd 2023
, by GRD.
I need suggestions and opinions for further help. Thank you.
Edited by JustNormalMusicLoveropenX-Men Mutant Academy 2? Videogame
So, X-Men Mutant Academy 2 has no page, and it looks like it was cut. But also, the Mutant Academy 1 page has no info on 2 (and itself only has 2 tropes). The big differences between 1 and 2 are an expanded roster, including a secret guest character in Spider-Man and expanded game mechanics, but that's still worth troping it, at least I think. What would be better, re-making the Mutant Academy 2 page, or consolodating the existing page for 1 to cover both of them?
Next Dimension (which is basically MA 3) has its own page, but that makes sense as it's a vastly different game than the other 2.
open Fridge Horror issue with Balrog-De-Morgoth Videogame
The other day I added an entry on Fridge.Hogwarts Legacy about the character Ominis Gaunt and how his family's history of inbreeding was likely the result of him being born blind. To me this seemed like a reasonable deduction considering that hereditary blindness from inbreeding has been scientifically observed, but the user Balrog-De-Morgoth removed my entry and asserted that Ominis' blindness had to be magical in nature because many other non-magic diseases and disabilities have magical cures. However, there have been no specific cases in the Wizarding World canon where healing eyes by magic to restore vision has been shown, as evidenced by the various characters that wear eyewear, including Harry Potter himself.
I re-added my entry again and explained my reasoning above, but Balrog-De-Morgoth removed it a second time, this time citing that Pottermore lists cures for non-magical diseases including cancer, but then claimed that because the character of Mad-Eye Moody has a magical replacement eye, that was also reason enough to remove my entry. This is ignoring the fact that Moody's eye is a replacement, not his original eye which was healed, and therefore completely irrelevant my point. While there is also the fact that Ominis' wand reacted specifically to him being blind, this still does not indicate that his blindness is caused by magic since the way wands work is left very mysterious, and Ominis himself states in-game that he was born blind.
Is it alright for me to put my Fridge entry back up? Plus I also feel that removing a Fridge entry because you disagree with it is bad etiquette.
Edited by ChipGoffOfROR

Hello! I've found a few minor mistakes in some of the trope pages for Undertale but idk how to fix them myself so (spoiler warning for anyone who hasn't finished Undertale)
-In "Tropes B/Undertale", under "Bizarre taste in food", Napstablook is accidentally referred to using 'he' pronouns -In "Tropes C To F/Undertale", under "Cue the sun", It's added at the end that Asriel's fight took the whole night due to the Asgore fight being during sunset and the sun rising in the True Pacifist Ending. However, in Asgore's battle text, it is described as being twilight, which could be either right before sunrise or right before sunset —Under "Flower Motifs", it says that in the dump, Golden Flowers are 'what Flowey uses to save the player from falling to their death after remembering the first meeting with the Fallen Human in similar circumstances'. However, this isn't ever hinted at in the game (unless I'm forgetting something). We know Flowey can summon vines, but he hasn't canonically been able to grow entirely separate flowers as Flowey. Also, here are plenty of other instances of flashbacks relating to the First Fallen
Is it alright if someone can fix these?