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openWanda Maximoff's 'redemption arc'? Film
How exactly does Wanda have a redemption arc in the end of Avengers: Age of Ultron when she never acknowledged what she did to her actual <i>victims < /i>? We see her happily Mind Raping all the Avengers, especially Tony Stark. And she doesn't blink when she send the Hulk to an innocent city. First think that she does when she 'joins' to the heroes is warning about one of her victims without mention what she did to him. Then she just joins at the battle because she literally saw that she was going to day and well, maybe she still wanted the planet, you know, to live.
But she immediately is made an Avenger and the shit that she did is never mentioned again. On Captain America: Civil War, she seems remorseful for what happened at Lagos but, what about Johannesburg, she just stepped aside and let Tony and Bruce take the blame?
She seems to be 'remorseful' but not because she is interest in the people's well being, but because they are afraid of them and that changes their perception of her as a victim. The novelization does not mention anything either. So, therefore: she lied to keep her position. When Clint comes to 'rescue her', she doesn't change her mind until he says that she will redeem herself.
Her redemption arc is...? A joke? A gigantic double standard?
open Self discovery trope Film
I am wanting to learn all I can about tropes of self discovery. I am writing a TV show where the protagonist's intention is 'to find herself / to take control of her life / to listen to her own voice' - the framing being that she has led a life of literal seclusion from any world outside of hers and that she has had all of her big life decisions dictated to her by other people.
Here is my question; All tropes that seem to exist around this topic never quite feel like the perfect fit. The 'Journey To Discover Oneself' trope listed on the site is about characters at the end of a movie still questioning after a major event, and out of Booker's 9 basic stories/plots the intention of self discovery seems to lie somewhere between a 'rebirth', 'Rebellion Against The One' and 'Tragedy'.... with a mix of twists on the 'Coming Of Age' trope.
Can anyone help by offering any clear tropes and examples of movies that follow self discovery tropes? Is it too broad of an intention to exist in the confines of a trope? I am surprised a journey to find oneself isn't one of booker's 9 plots, can anyone shed any light on this?
Thank you,
X
openNext of Kin (1982) Film
Has anyone here seen or heard of Next of Kin (1982)? Because I could really use a bit of help in writing its tropes page. This is mainly down to the fact that I have never actually had the chance to watch the film (though I have heard it's really good) but it also has to do with the fact that I have been getting virtually no real-life social interaction these days, and so I often find myself at a loss for words whenever I try to write something down.
Edited by Scifimaster92openCowboy Wizard In Space Film
I recently deleted a Small Reference Pools example from YMMV.Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them, since Small Reference Pools is not a YMMV items. And I left behind an edit-reason explaining so.
Cowboy Wizard in Space
has re-added the example leaving this as his edit-reason:
"Although the trope itself is not specifically coded as YMMV, the entries are too subjective for the main page. I went through the entire YMMV index and was unable to find a YMMV trope that fit the opinions described, and so have added Small Reference Pools back in. If anyone finds a YMMV trope that fits the opinions below, feel free to change it; but for the time being, deleting opinions is against YMMV policy."
Edited by Anddrixopen''Fantastic Beasts'' character or ''Harry Potter'' character? Film
A major character from Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them was moved from the film's character page to a miscellaneous sub-page for the Harry Potter books because he was a part of the backstory for those books. Where does this character belong? For those that have seen the film, I'm talking about Grindelwald, who disguises himself and then acts as the film's main villain while being portrayed by the biggest name in the movie.
openCinemasins Deadpool Film
Can someone please update the entry on Awesome.Deadpool 2016 with the sin tally before and after the bonus round? I'd like to know how exactly it changed, but I don't want to click the video myself.
open Retroactive Recogntion Joke Film
I was wondering if there is a trope for a joke or reference that doesnt make much sense until alot later. I was looking at the Mallrats page in the Funny section. The original troper (and myself) didnt understand, or even hear, the Junior Masters and Johnson reference by TS. Now thanks to the tv show Masters of Sex - its easy to understand that TS was referencing the Masters and Johnson research team. So another way to ask the question - I have a friend who saw Spaceballs before she saw Empire Strikes back. Once she sees Empire - hopefully, more jokes will make sense. Is there a trope name for that?
open Please help with the title Film
So there is this old cartoon about a little guy or maybe an insect who has a friend dog. Nobody else can hear him. He once got trapped in a bubble, he made shows and played every character himself, he lived in a clock I think. It's not popular tho. So maybe someone knows what I'm talking about???
openEditing error. Film
On the page Logan I made an edit for a speech and then clicked enter to stop an editing mistake which succeeded with the previews. Someone undid the enter causing that editing mistake again. I don't want to fix this myself because it could be confused with an edit war.
Edited by ReynTime250openchickenpie999 Film
chickenpie999
has deleted several examples
from YMMV.Return Of The Jedi without providing any edit reasons.
They've also changed an example from this:
To this:
open Drama tv show or movie? Film
Whats the tv show or movie called about a black girl and guy who are married and have a black daughter, and the daughters boyfriend leaves her and goes to jail while she is pregnant and carrying the baby that her mom wants, but she is in love with her moms husband, and he likes her too but doesn't want the mom to know... the pregnant girl ends up getting hit by a car which the mom is driving because she wants the baby but she thinks that her daughter wants to keep it for herself..?
openMCU Tough Acts To Follow Film
YMMV.Doctor Strange 2016 has a Tough Act to Follow entry admitting that it didn't become as beloved as Captain America: Civil War, while YMMV.Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 had a pre-release entry worrying that GotG 2 could become less beloved than the first movie, Civil War, and Doctor Strange. If GotG 2 does become more popular than Doctor Strange, how would we re-word this? I already tried adding, "Downplayed for viewers who don't consider Doctor Strange one of Marvel's best," but it got deleted for sounding too obvious.note Yes, I know Doctor Strange has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score, but I don't think it deserves a 90%.
EDIT: I thought of something myself.
Edited by dsneybufopen I've been looking for this for hours and I still don't know what it was! Film
This was either a film or an episode of a TV series but I distinctly remember a man walking around a hospital or something, and he kept hearing a little girl singing a creepy version of the Hush Little Baby nursery rhyme. By the end of fhe film/episode, the man tried to set himself on fire and I can't remember whether he was successful or not . . . I know this isn't much to go on at all, but if anybody has any wuggestions and nos to what it might be I would be very thankful.
openDisagreement on whether or not Bucky Barnes qualifies as The Hermit Film
There's a small edit war on the characters page
for allies of the MCU version of The Avengers.
Please make sure that the tropes fit the example. Bucky is not The Hermit: he is hiding both because he has triggers in his head and because as a former assassin he is a wanted fugitive.
Would I be right if I said that as long as a character is willingly hiding or isolating himself, regardless of the reason, he qualifies as The Hermit?
Edited by RayAP9open The Dark Crystal: Who is this character? Film
Found this character which appears to be one of the mystics from the movie among my dads belongings. He was a film fan and artist. I think he may have made it himself but am not absolutely certain. unfortunately I don't see how to post a photo to share it. It has a mole on what would be its left cheek....Any ideas?
openWeDidntStartTheFuhrer Film
I have recently seen a film set in a historical war (which is not World War II), where the main character is sure that the whole conflict was caused by a supernatural influence over humanity, and it turns out that no, the war was something that humanity started all by itself, with no supernatural forces at work. I thought about We Didn't Start the Führer, but that trope clarifies that it is specifically for Hitler and WWII. Is there some parent trope, then? Or should I use it anyway, taking into account that Tropes are flexible? If it is the second, shouldn't we rewrite the trope a bit, to clarify that WWII is simply a major location of this trope, but not the exclusive one?
Note: The very question I'm making may give a spoiler about the plot of the film, so the best way I could thought about to avoid that was to speak in general terms, without mentioning the film (and, just in case, not even the actual war). If someone else here does realize the film that made me ask this question, please do not mention it, for the sake of those who did not saw it.
openState Fair Remake Film
If 20th Century Fox seems to consider the 1962 version of Rodgers and Hammerstein's State Fair an Old Shame, but I don't know what Rodgers himself thought of it (Hammerstein died a few years before it premiered), which of the Old Shame subpages should I put it on?
open Protesting against ageism in Phantom Menace YMMV post Film
So I've been trying to post about how it's wrong and ageist for people to judge Anakin in the Phantom Menace as being written as a child without caring if he had been likeable, well-written and sympathetic, without negative qualities like being whiny, bratty, immature and annoying. Those negative qualities are what makes him poorly written, and the fact that Jake Lloyd couldn't act made it worse. I try proving that it's not a Continuity Snarl if he was well-written and played by a kid who COULD act, because according to the Return of the Jedi clip I gave a link to, the Force ghost Obi-Wan never told Luke how old Anakin was when he first knew him. He just said Anakin was already an excellent pilot, but Obi-Wan was amazed at how strong the Force was with Anakin. If anything, since Obi-Wan said, "I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi," Qui-Gon's involvement WAS a Continuity Snarl. But it's not a Continuity Snarl if the kid Anakin were actually well-written and played by a kid who COULD act. Judging Anakin for being introduced as a child is like judging Rey for being a girl and Finn for being black, and Rey and Finn were NOT poorly written like Anakin was. And not all child actors were Jake Lloyd, some were actually quite good. But it might've helped if the script didn't have bullshit like "Are you an angel?" and "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!" and was nowhere near as poorly-written as it was. The plot too, and pretty much all of the characters aside from Jar Jar (who never should've even been created, and would never work given that that kind of cartoonish slapstick and that he was purely annoying). It might've helped for Anakin to have been found on a different planet instead of Tatooine (to avoid plot holes) and to savie any romance for until Anakin grows up in the next 2 prequels, as long as they weren't handled the way George Lucas handled it. And someone should've convinced George Lucas that the way he envisioned the prequels would never work and he should've given the prequels to someone who is capable of making a decent prequel trilogy that's closer to up to snuff with the original trilogy. Maybe it's hard to write a decent child character, but it's not impossible if the right person envisions a Star Wars prequel trilogy. And writing likeable characters to root for isn't easy, but Lucas never tried hard. He just did what he wanted without really considering what the fans would want and the prequels suffered as a result. But if fans can't accept a likeable, well-written child Anakin instead of a poorly-written, whiny, bratty, immature, and annoying child Anakin, they are just as bad as George Lucas. There are too many problems with the prequel trilogy to decide that a child Anakin can't be likeable, sympathetic, and well-written.
I tried posting this under Mis-blamed, but it got deleted twice. I'm trying to figure out a decent trope that might fit and a better way to protest against the ageism of those audiences and show why they are out of line judging characters for being a child when so many things could have been different, including a well-written child if they had a writer who WAS capable, instead of George Lucas. So I'd also like to do all that in a not-so Natter-y or ranting way, along with the proper trope. But if anyone support the audiences who put age over likeability and characterization, please ignore this post. I don't want any more discriminatory, ageist posts or supports of such discrimination.
open Old Mech, Rocks! Film
Does anybody remember the name of this film? It starts out, (obviously) in the future (although, the film itself looks like it was made in the 70's). There's spacesuit looking clothes, mechs are the main choice of vehicles, etc. The main characters are running an obstacle course as part of they're military-mech training, (that looks strikingly like the metal geometric half sphere, made from smaller triangles they had at recess when i was a kid), but room by room going down. Designed to help them get into there mechs as quicky as possible. The next day, the main characters (a male and a female) are running late for training, because they making-out! Meanwhile they're base get's hit and they get separated from the rest of they're team. The Big-Bad destroy's that base and every other base and the result is: post-apocalyptic world. Fast-Foreward, the main characters are still together, but struggling to survive. The guy remembers where a mech is (from before the apocalypse), that fell into a sinkhole and convinces her to go with him. They pack-up splunking gear and the equivalent of a mechanic's tools, but for mech's and head-out. They finally get there and spulunk into the sinkhole, but they have to leave some of the tools up-top, because they can't fit. They reach the mech and nearly fix-it-up, she splunks up to the surface to get something they need to finish fixing the mech just as the same Big-Bad (in his mech) is walking by. The Big-Bad see's her and tries to step on her. She does everything she can to dodge him from stepping on her, while staying beneath his mech to prevent him from shooting her. She manages to get the tool needed to fix they're mech and splunks back down, landing on top of they're mech and finishes fixing they're mech. He starts it up and I forget how he gets it out from the sinkhole to the surface of the desert, but he does and the old mech beats the new mech. The End. Anyway's, I can't remember the name of this film and hoped someone else does. Thanks!

From YMMV.Avengers Infinity War:
Since it feels too early to call Infinity War truly amazing, would anyone mind if I shortened the entry to this: