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openWhich of the examples are accurate and which of the examples are just character bashing? Anime
- Neon Genesis Evangelion:
- Asuka Langley Soryu often proves herself worthy of this trope:
- She always criticizes Shinji for being useless, even though she constantly screws up missions with her own stubbornness and pride.
- She blames Shinji for their botched first kiss, claiming that he's rejecting her, when it was her own fault for goading him into kissing her with convoluted and mixed signals, as well as holding Shinji's nose to prevent his breathing from tickling her, which suffocates him. All of which are very unromantic.
- She frequently calls out Shinji for being so weak and vulnerable, despite the fact that, as the series progresses, it turns out she is just as weak and vulnerable as he is, albeit trying to hide it with aggression and temper tantrums.
- She treats all the boys she's around with contempt and considers them perverts and/or idiots, yet she herself engages in very inappropriate sexual conduct with her guardian, Kaji, and consistently makes and commits idiotic decisions and actions that not only endanger her but others.
- She constantly attacks Shinji for not being "a man" or not "manning up", yet she herself is hardly what one would call "womanly".
- While it's partially true that Misato shows Parental Favoritism towards Shinji, Asuka is the last person to call her out, especially when all she wants and craves is to be praised, loved, and coddled.
- For all her complaints about no one caring for her, she herself is shown to care very little (if at all) for the well-being of her teammates, even belittling them after enduring serious trauma.
- She also has the nerve to blame others for rejecting her when she frequently and deliberately rejects, rebukes, abuses, and takes advantage of others.
- She calls Shinji selfish for wanting to save the world merely to impress his father, yet Asuka's own motive is at its core just as selfish as she does it out of a need for validation too.
- She feels entitled to and demands unconditional devotion and praise from anyone and everyone she meets. However, Asuka feels no obligation to treat others with even the slightest amount of respect and decency unless doing so will keep them under her thrall or otherwise advance her interests in some way; she treats virtually everyone around her with undisguised contempt.
- Asuka is also in no position to chew Shinji out for being afraid of getting hurt and being rejected by others, considering that she herself is afraid of getting hurt by others, and especially because she is one of the people, aside from Gendo, responsible for hurting and rejecting Shinji.
- Asuka gets angry and disgusted at Shinji for complaining, claiming that he's always blaming others, yet she is the one who whines and complains more than anyone in the entire franchise and consistently blames or shifts the blame to others for her own faults.
- Asuka Langley Soryu often proves herself worthy of this trope:
openWhich examples sound like character bashing on this page? Anime
Sailor Moon
- Usagi Tsukino can be this:
- She can be a Clingy Jealous Girl toward Mamoru and hates when other women get close to him, but she is not always faithful herself, judging by the way she stares at other boys. Apparently, only one of them needs to be 100% devoted. This is mostly in the first anime.
- In one episode, she slaps Mamoru for forgetting her birthday even though she never told him, but she doesn't know his birthday either.
- Chibi-Usa can be this as well:
- She accuses Usagi of being "ungrateful" for rejecting her mother's hot cakes (and she only rejected them because she had already eaten something and didn't even know her mother was making something for her in the first place) when she herself does not appreciate that Usagi has constantly put her own life on the line to save her from danger.
- In one episode, she gets viciously angry at Usagi after the latter unknowingly steals the pie she baked for a classmate. In other episodes, she would knowingly steal Usagi's food just for the sake of it.
- For all her talk about Usagi being an incompetent guardian, she proves to be quite incompetent at being a guardian herself once she starts her training.
- She (along with the others) criticizes Usagi for her laziness, even though she is shown to be rather lazy herself; for instance, she has Usagi carry all the groceries while she herself is empty-handed.
- Luna the Cat also has her moments:
- She gets on Usagi's case when the latter allegedly wet the bed, but she doesn't hold it against Chibi-Usa when it's revealed it was her who did it. When Usagi points this out to Luna, Luna excuses herself by telling her, "Well, you deserved it."
- When she merely thinks Diana is the lovechild of Artemis and another cat, she violently rages at him. Fast-forward to Sailor Stars, where she openly fawns over Yaten, perfectly fine with the fact that Artemis knows.
- She also had the nerve to taunt Usagi for not noticing if Chibi-Chibi was her daughter or not when she herself failed to realize that Diana was her daughter and jumped to conclusions. Usagi rightfully calls her out on this, and she quickly becomes embarrassed.
- She usually does nothing to stop Chibi-Usa from antagonizing Usagi, yet she has the nerve to call out Usagi whenever she retaliates in any way.
- Haruka Tenoh is another example:
- During the early stages of her relationship with Michiru, Haruka snarked that she didn't think a privileged rich girl like her could possibly understand a concept as bleak as the apocalypse, even though Haruka herself is a privileged rich girl.
- Before going to confront Eudial with Michiru, Haruka tells Usagi that they won't let her slow them down with her "half-baked play war". She says this, even though she and Michiru didn't have a concrete plan for finding the Talismans all season and they hadn't formed a plan for when they confronted Eudial and when they did, she quickly gained the upper hand. Had Usagi heeded their threat and stayed away, Haruka and Michiru would've died and the Death Busters would've gotten a hold on two Talismans.
- In the Stars season, she expresses distaste at the way Seiya "indiscriminately approaches women", yet Haruka has been shown to flirt with a lot of girls, including Usagi and the Inner Soldiers (even stealing a kiss from Sailor Moon in the manga/Crystal without her consent, which is a form of sexual assault) and unlike Seiya, Haruka is in a relationship (a stable one with trust from both sides, but still).
- Both her and Michiru often display Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance when it comes to criticizing the Inner Guardians. Generally, this takes the form of treating the Inner scouts as new girls who haven't had to make tough sacrifices. The truth being Venus had been active for at least a year prior to the events of season 1 (and Michiru being active at most around season 2), and all five of them dying in heroic sacrifices in the end of Season 1.
- Rei often scolds and mocks Usagi for certain traits and habits, yet she herself exhibits the exact same behavior or does it after scolding Usagi for doing so. One of the best examples of this is in the fifth season, when Usagi is shown worrying about Seiya, at which point Rei shows up and says, "Stop worrying about someone else and go study!" Ignoring that Rei is, at that moment, worrying about someone else and not studying.
openDoes Silvers Rayleigh (One Piece) count as an example of "World's Strongest Man"? Anime
Another user and I are having a disagreement over whether or not he constitutes the trope, at least when he was at his prime strength. My argument comes from the fact that, as a character, he was the right hand of the former strongest man, Gol D. Roger, and that he often leverages his reputation as a warrior of legendary renown to bluff enemies out of battles. While he's no longer at his peak, at one point he was decidedly in the running as being the strongest.
I also pointed out that the trope itself does not come from a defined character tier list, but rather, someone who is considered in story as being a contender for the strongest. Additionally, I noted that other characters (both in One Piece and not) have the trope applied to them despite there being other contenders for the title of "the" strongest.
What are everyone's thoughts on the matter?
Edited by WindraysopenDoes this page need a cleanup? (HeartwarmingInHindsight) Anime
The bottom of the page has this note:
IMPORTANT: Do not include examples that are Foreshadowing, nor moments that came just a handful of episodes later. Those are clearly intended heartwarming moments later in the same work.
However, some users have bluntly disregarded this, the vast majority of the anime folder examples consist of stuff that is obviously foreshadowed.
Should it all be removed? I mean, disregarding the entries about voice actors, the blind photographer and the ones relating to Real Life people. I wanted to manually remove it myself but I fear it would start an edit war.
openEdit Reason: "Removing the excessive content"? Anime
I know Word Cruft is a reason for editing down an entry, but is it actually applicable in this case?
On November 4th
, I/Rebel Falcon, edited the entry for the trope "Because You Were Nice to Me" for the character Kyoka Jiro on My Hero Academia - Class 1-A (11-20) to provide further context, and I didn't think the entry was that long or required any Word Cruft.
- Because You Were Nice to Me: Jiro initially didn't have much of a connection with Midoriya throughout the school year. During the preparation for the Culture Festival however, she approached him for aid in neatening up her notes on music, initially embarrassed at needing to ask but finding herself pleasantly surprised the more they worked together, slowly transitioning into the two becoming genuine friends. She brings up this moment specifically when all of Class 1-A come to bring him back to U.A. High after he had left due to becoming a target for Shigaraki due to his possession of One For All, telling him how happy she was to find they shared a hobby in note taking and, that while he has gotten stronger, she doesn't want her friend having to suffer for their sake.
- Because You Were Nice to Me: During Class 1-A's fight against Midoriya, when they try to bring him to back U.A. High, Jiro brings up to him how they bonded over their shared habit of making notes to improve their works (for Izuku, it's his combat skills, for Jiro, it's her musical skills) and how he helped her prepare for the School Festival as a way to convince him to return, even if she know it's only a minor moment.
EDIT: I am not trying to get anyone in trouble, this is just me trying to clear up some genuine confusion on my end. Edited by RebelFalcon
openEdit war on Ranma Saotome Anime
Okay, I didn't want to ring the alarm prematurely, but lately the page Characters.Ranma One Half Ranma Saotome is veering into an edit war between Midnight Star Hunter and Valentine Meikin, with some peanut gallery comments by Wandering Browser. (Myself, I'm only doing the occasional grammar edit on the page.)
The latest edit by Midnight Star Hunter includes an absolute Wall of Text of an edit reason accompanying an absolutely bloated trope entry; please check it out. I think that everybody needs to cool down and discuss it out before any further addition or removal.
openRegarding Spoiler Policy for characters in Naruto Anime
Regarding Characters.Naruto, while checking for example, Pain's page, it shows in the description itself a lot about his past and motivations which are revealed quite late into the arc having his decisive fight, and in Madara's folder, in his description, the exact specifics of his defeat are written in great detail.
These are just two examples out of many, and in the folders, there are marked and unmarked spoilers with irregularity. Now, Naruto is an old anime, so I wanted to ask whether to remove the excruciating details in the description and spoiler out the spoilery details, or just leave them alone?
Edited by kuchiki222openEdit War on Azumanga Shitposts Anime
Reporting a belatedly-realized Edit War scenario:
- Troper.Stop Hating Tv Tropes Plz 123 adds the following Condemned by History entry
to YMMV.Azumanga Daioh, subsequently tweaking the format over successive edits
- Troper.UFO Yeah deletes
the entry, citing poor formatting and complaining
- StopHatingTvTropesPlz123 re-adds
the entry, including a confusing question about YMMV.Fate Stay Night and YMMV.Oreimo's CBH entries
- After StopHating's entry is brought to attention of Condemned by History cleanup thread
, it is again deleted by myself
(not having seen the history proving this was an Edit War yet)
I apologize for unknowingly engaging in an Edit War, but what should become of StopHating's entry? And should we keep watch in case they decide to add it again?
Edited by Galileo26openQuestion about an edit Anime
About seven years ago the troper Seguir made a sweeping edit
to the Tearjerker page
for Death Note, removing a number of entries with the edit reason saying "removing apologism for murderers and melodrama" with no further explanation given. I don't see how a lot of the removed entries (such as Hatori's death or Light's amnesiac self screaming when he regains his memories) fit this description so I'm wondering if anyone feels they should be restored.
openTrying to add an Incredibles/MHA crossover page Anime
Hello, I think this fanfiction is worthy of having its own page:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13466524/1/My-Incredible-Academia
as well as being mentioned in fanfic recs/fan works for both MHA and Incredibles in the crossover section but I'm not sure how to do it myself. Even though I go on Tv Tropes a lot I have only recently made my own account so still getting to grips with it. I could do with some help please.
openWould the 'LGBT Fanbase' trope go into multiple entries of a franchise without a general YMMV? Anime
Wondering about adding a specific entry for the trope for the YMMV of Magia Record, one of the Madoka spinoffs. Now Madoka itself has a entry for the original anime under the trope, but the YMMV page is for the original anime, not the franchise as a wide, while Record has quite a few specific examples to it. Would there be any issue in adding a specific entry for Record's YMMV about LGBT Fanbase?
openBastard!! - page name question Anime
I noticed that the page for Bastard 1988 specifies the year in the work name, but the page itself also covers the 2022 adaptation, and the page image is from the 2022 adaptation as well.
I would suggest the 1988 be dropped from the page name — I think just "Bastard!!" is more appropriate, if the page is going to cover multiple iterations of the work — but I am not familiar with it at all (was browsing randomly), so I don't think I should make that decision.
I don't know if that would mean the WikiWord should change as well, which is a larger project.
Again, since I'm not familiar with the work, if people don't think it's an issue, no worries. If there are any changes that don't require having read or seen it, I'm happy to make them.
Edited by DiggerMopenPossible misuse Anime
Here's a The Complainer Is Always Wrong entry regarding Code Geass:
- Between himself and his best friend Suzaku and dear sister Nunnally, it sure feels like this for Lelouch of Code Geass. Taken to even greater heights in Turn 19 of R2 during Schneizel's meeting with the Black Knights; first with Tamaki and Diethard, who contend that anyone could have faked the recording, and after everyone has made up their minds, Kallen, who in an attempt to protect Zero from his would-be traitors, calls her fellow comrades out on being too one-sided, only to be warned to get out of the way or be shot down on suspicion of being geassed. Lelouch ends up lying to her in order for her life to be spared. The following episode, Diethard's earlier attempt to rein in an AWOL Ohgi by holding Villetta, the one responsible, captive, ended up with him getting a few bruises, and complaining to himself that Ohgi, who remains on the Black Knights and is now joined by Villetta, is miscast as a leader.
- The third Compilation Movie's take on these events have Ohgi fall under this when he wants to give Zero a chance to explain himself and tell the truth, and objects to Schneizel's men preparing to shoot until they actually have their answers. He and Viletta also have a point with Deithard considering he really was doing a couple of stuff behind their backs, including how in this version, he was the one who shot her and caused her amnesia that led to them meeting in the first place.
The first line is a Zero-Context Example as it doesn't explain how Lelouch falls under this, and the Black Knights who objected to the betrayal were actually in the right and made better points (and it was several of them objecting, not just one person) so it doesn't seem the narrative is portraying them as wrong for doing so. I'm not sure if it counts overall but I think it at least needs to be re-worded.
Edited by Javertshark13openWhy this human posture (Butt in the Air/ Knee-Chested Posture) is not in tvtropes.org? Anime
Full Question: Why this human posture (Butt in the Air/ Knee-Chested Posture) is not in tvtropes.org? Please make it have a page in it.
The posture sample:
another sample:
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F263ht8nqple51.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D3a8dfb23855ec68ee082c87887fa0a78076e7434
This posture is almost present in Cartoons, video-games.... heck alot in anime nowadays for laughs. sometimes for *ahem arousement...

On Nov. 4th, 2018, I corrected
the Official Couple entry for Air Gear due to being inaccurate to the epilogue chapter.
Erivale: I just read through the whole series again, and it's pretty clear that Ikki's date with Simca is two riders who respect each other meeting up for a run and the fulfilment of an old promise, as compared to the overt romantic overtones involved in Ikki's resolution with Ringo. Even during the epilogue itself, Ringo is treated as the woman in Ikki's life, not just a prospective for his affections.
As that edit reason feels more like an Alternative Character Interpretation as to what happened, which isn't troped on the main page. From an objective standpoint, Simca kissed Ikki, offered to go on that date they promised long ago, he blushed before chasing after her, and Ringo begins to get jealous, so unless something like Word of God spoke out against it, the depiction is that the series ends on a Love Triangle.With this in mind, I request permission to revert the edit without risk of inciting an Edit War.