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open I have a question Western Animation
You see this image right here?
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Yeah, what if Princess Bubblegum didn’t change her outfit like normal, she just presses a button that rapidly changes her outfit?
Like this for example:
Princess Bubblegum: (Presses the button: her outfit morphs into her sleeping gown with her hair in ties) “No” (Presses it again: her outfit morphs into a pink shirt with pink pants, as well as her hair tied in a bun) “No” (Presses it once again: her outfit morphs into her pink sweatsuit with pink jeans, oh, and her bun got undone, causing her hair to grow back to it’s original length) “No” (Keeps pressing the button multiple times, morphing her outfit as well as saying “No” every time, as well as changing her hair style in the process. She also got de-aged to her 13 year old self, and got aged back up to her 18 year old self when she pressed the button. Her outfit morphed into: Her light blue dress, her baby blue swan dress, her cupcake dress, her dull pink dress, her short dress, her purple pouch dress, her shirt dress, her pink winter hoodie, her 2nd short dress, her party dress, her yellow shirt, her blue lab coat with her witch hat, her Web Weirdos dress, her white and purple dress, and finally, her blue silky dress) (Presses it again: her outfit morphs into her winter sweater dress) “Ugh! No!” (Presses the button one more time: her outfit morphs into her lab outfit) “Yes! There we go! Finally! Now... off to the lab!”
Edited by ILoveCrossoversopenAccidental deletion of examples off Trope Page -- need advice
Hi everyone.
Got a PM a couple hours ago from a Troper, who said a Tropes page ("Vomit Discretion Shot") that I had added an example to had apparently gotten half its examples deleted. They asked why I did this for no reason.
I wasn't aware of it then, but I'm pretty sure this happened around the time I started having very slow saving updates, either via connectivity at my end or a problem with the site (not sure which). One of the pages (I think it was this one) froze when I tried to save it, then finally went through with the last folder presenting itself as not complete. I added [[/folder]] at the bottom and saved, which created a normal folder. My guess is the deletion happened then, but I can't say for sure.
I replied to the PM, explained what had happened, and asked if I should do anything to try and correct the problem or not. Haven't heard back yet. This potentially being a big problem, I figured I should wait a couple hours for a reply, then follow up in timely fashion if I didn't hear back.
I've only been active here for a couple weeks, and you folks may understandably not want me trying to fix the issue. Could someone let me know how to proceed? I'll be happy to try and fix it myself, but want someone's okay before I do so.
Sorry about this happening.
Thanks!
open What's that trope? damage equals worthy of love Film
What is the trope in which an ordinary guy proves his worthiness to an extraordinary girl by taking extraordinary physical risks, and often losing in a fight? It's not "loser gets the girl" because that requires both guys to fight over her, and defeat makes her realize that the winner never really interested her. This is more like the girl does not really know she reciprocates his love, until she sees the amount of physical pain and damage he is willing to absorb in their shared cause. It may be the prelude to the "violently protective girlfriend" but not always. Is there something like the "Steve Trevor Effect" from the Wonder Woman (2016) movie? Except in that, they hook up before he blows himself up, but that causes her to (posthumously) forgive him for their fight. Any ideas? It's not "weakness turns her on" because we are not talking about a character who is congenitally weak in body or personality, but usually he is in some way inferior to her - less educated, less intelligent, less trained, whatever. Often, the guy takes a beating in an attempt to serve her in some way, protection, rescue attempt, something. This usually leads to the moment when the girl realizes that the guy who she has been somehow looking upon as insufficient is suddenly recognized as worthy. Several books do this, including Patrick Ness' "The Knife of Never Letting Go" and Brittany Cavallaro's "Charlotte Holmes" series. Any ideas?
openClarification on All Gays Are Promiscuous
A bit confused about All Gays are Promiscuous since examples were taken out from Hazbin Hotel and the trope page itself.
Is this trope basically about a gay character who is promiscuous? Several examples on the trope page itself, it's laconic, and playing with page seem to suggest so.
Really confused since the Hazbin Hotel examples were removed basically on the reason that of the 3 gay characters in the show, only 1 of them is promiscuous while the other 2 aren't therefore it doesn't qualify as this trope. If so, what about the other examples in the trope page which lists works with both promiscuous and non-promiscuous gay characters?
Edited by ElfkaiseropenDefusing possible edit war.
Woodsy Grabass 2019 re-added this HateSink entry
on Characters.MCU Kilgrave after I first rewrote it, and then cut it when someone familiar with the show suggested In the Hate Sink thread that the author intent was too ambiguous to confirm that Kilgrave was meant to be despised above all else.
- Hate Sink: He's both the primary villain of the piece and this trope. The man is so despicable, and he destroys so many lives, that the main draw of the story is waiting for him to lose. This is drawn out by the existence of Hope as a Damsel in Distress that needs to be saved at the cost of sparing Kilgrave, but she specifically kills herself so that his destruction can become the sole motivation of our Main Characters. It doesn't help the fact that his entire character is a portrayal of Rape Culture, Toxic Masculinity and Male Entitlement.
Furthermore, the entry as reverted possibly violates the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement by using political buzzwords, instead of the straightforward and buzzword free entry that I rewrote before I cut it.
- Hate Sink: Kilgrave is presented as an immature, misogynistic, possessive creep and sexual predator, as well as a petty, entitled, hedonistic individual who regularly mistreats other people for his amusement. Any superficial charm Kilgrave has only serves to underscore his unpleasantness.
If Woodsy has proof that Kilgrave, above all else, was meant to be hated, I want them to discuss further. Evidently I forgot to link to the HS thread in my edit reason the last time.
Edited by SkyCat32openShout-out memes: valid MemeticMutation entries or not?
Recently, two Memetic Mutation entries for My Next Life As A Villainess All Routes Lead To Doom were removed with the edit reason "I don't think those really qualify since they are memes from other works, not ones caused by this.". The removed memes are basically story-appropriate twists on famous quotes from The Dark Knight and Untitled Goose Game.
Since references to other works found in the work itself have always had their place on the wiki, it feels a little strange to see things being removed on the basis that they are basically the fandom doing the same thing. I thought it might be a good idea to see what others think.
Edited by NazetrimeopenWillow from Buffy the Vampire Slayer should be listed as Unintentionally Unsympathetic Live Action TV
I know she's already listed as a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds but I think she should also be listed under UU.
For starters, she attempts to destroy the world and her friends just because some killed her girlfriend. To top it all off, she hocks herself up on dark magic despite knowing the implications. It's not for her to decide if the world needs to be destroyed or not yet the show paints her as a tragic figure despite her attacking her friends. To me, she comes off as petty and traitorous and the forgivenss and redemption she gets is completely undeserved
Edited by deathnoteFNBOI58openProblematic behavior from Thetropemaster101
So I recently got a PM from Thetropemaster 101 wherein he more or less ordered me to make some specific edits to a bunch of Star Wars character pages, and I believe that I'm not the only one since I noticed a few edit reasons throughout the index mentioning that they were being done based on "PM suggestions."
This was particularly notable since he did so through an edit notifier for an edit I made on Seven Deadly Sins, which had nothing to do with Star Wars (while I do edit the Star Wars pages frequently, it comes across as fairly stalkerish).
Searching for him on ATT I found numerous threads going back up to two years detailing all kinds of problematic behavior, including:
- Edit-warring
- Serial tweaking
- Consistent issues with formatting and ZCEs, as well as confirmed sockpuppeting (notably, he posted a total of seven replies in a row from two different accounts denying it and begging to have his temporary edit ban lifted)
As well as creating a bunch of strange
, complainy
ATT threads and a very weird personal page where he describes himself as "the best troper on this website" and expresses a desire to be a moderator.
openBan evader DisneyAnimefan95 back again
I'm quite certain that persistent ban evader Disney Animefan 95 who has been bounced several times before, including just last week
, is back once again as ThePhantomPimpernel78
. They reinstated several edits that the previously bounced account COkamaAnime85
did, and the account itself popped up shortly after C Okama Anime 85 was bounced.
openEdit warring and weird message? Film
So on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/PatchAdams
, I deleted a Funny moments entry because it was worded awkwardly, lacking in context, and for some reason I mistakenly thought the page already had a "heartwarming" section. HarleyQuinnIsGreat (who I guess entered it in the first place) reverted it back with an added " % % Do not delete the above entry without consulting someone first," and sent the deleting YMMV notifier while telling me not to delete without consulting them. (MOD EDITED TO REMOVE PM TEXT; ADDED SUMMARY INSTEAD)
At this point, I feel like the edit itself isn't really the problem here.
Edited by nombretomadoopenShould there be a Complete Angel trope?
This trope would be the exact opposite of Complete Monsters. A Complete Angel is a character that is very pure of heart. They've committed selfless acts, they are forgiving, incorruptible, and overall extremely nice. I'm pretty sure theres a lot of characters who would fit the Complete Angel trope.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openWall-of-texty example on Atelier Ryza
Insane Pryomaniac has added this to YMMV.Atelier Ryza Ever Darkness And The Secret Hideout:
- Contested Sequel: While many new players introduced to Atelier were very happy with the game, the split among fans of the previous games in the series is significantly more divisive. While most admit Ryza does have quite a few positive points like the improved graphics, great tutorials, a great new art style, and an intuitive node based crafting system that make it a decent game, many also claim the game fails on some of the innovations it attempted. The story is very short with minimal character interactions that are a series tradition (there are more scenes of the individual characters bonding in the first several or so hours of Atelier Sophie or the Dusk games than in the entirety of Ryza), less enemy types present than previous games that were already criticized for their lack of enemy variety, the ease of duplication and gardening with infinite gems rendering the post game boring, a split opinion on if the ATB battle system is amazing or awful, near universal hatred of the CC item system, easy difficulty of even harder modes, massive simplification of the traits system, the contrast of Lent's subplot with the rest of the game and how it poorly resolves itself halfway through the game, lack of an English Dub, and rampant Complacent Gaming Syndrome over most stats, traits, the usual DLC problems the series has faced in recent years with the extra episodes for this game being very short but expensive, and usable items being fairly useless compared to just building items with massive skill damage stacking leaving little options for the player compared to previous entries. While this doesn't mean the game is hated, the fanbase at large seems to see it as more of a flawed first step into making an Atelier game that could be more than a Cult Classic and gain widespread success than a total improvement on the past titles.
Methinks it looks like it's piling on every single criticism that could be made about the game, making it pretty hard to read. Anyone agree? Because if so, I'd be able to make it much more concise.
openProblematic edit in YMMV.YandereSimulator
Recently, the troper Hashiriya R 23 made this
edit on YMMV.Yandere Simulator. Basically, he removed examples relating to YandereDev being annoyed about emails because:
"Removed all mentions of the "email issue" because it's becoming very clear at this point that the issue was a fabricated excuse from the get-go, and because the artwork that he used as an example of "kids sending in bad art" was drawn by someone that neither sent him an email, nor volunteered in the first place."
Even if this is true, these edits, from the top of the edit history, made one example not make grammatical sense, deleted an objective example, and turned an example into a ZCE.
Furthermore, Hashiriya has had a history of problematic edits on the page. In particular, he added a bunch of memes that were memeing about Yanderedev himself, instead of the game, which we have since deleted.
Edited by KappaclysticaopenCorrect thing to do, V2
Sorry for any confusion for the people so saw the first version of this, realizing a few things about the situation made me need to repost it with a less accusatory tone.
Now I noticed earlier that Grotadmorv removed the ZCE markup and tag on Toon Town Online. My original post was wrong in thinking they did this randomly; they actually did add context to a lot of the examples (as pointed out to me by Rally Bot). So that's fine, though hopefully the fact that I pinged them to the ZCE thread first won't create too much of a headache for them. I was thrown off by the deletion of the tag itself and that colored my perception of the rest of their edits.
However, my real question and the source of my earlier stress remains: What's the correct course of action when you notice months late that an issue had occurred? Lets' say I was right the first time and they didn't add any new context- I noticed their edit months afterward, long past the point of being able to request a mod revert. In this case that's not necessary anyway, but in other cases (say the case of Darkness Falls and the troper who kept reverting our work on that one), what's to be done if the revisions weren't noticed until a long time after the fact?
It feels petty to report people for things that happened months ago, even if usually I'd report them immediately had I noticed in a timely manner. But the amount of time in between it happening and it being noticed...makes it harder for me to know how to respond. Is it still edit warring in that case to fix it? Is there still a point in reporting the troper? Is it best to just ask for other tropers to help and move on? What's to be done when problems aren't noticed early enough to act on them?
Since that was my real question and the Grotad thing was just a catalyst to my asking it, that's why I decided to just recreate the query rather than stick with the misinformed earlier version.
openConflicting entries on YMMV.MyHeroAcademia Anime
- Americans Hate Tingle:
- Mineta is reasonably popular in Japan, reaching 17th place on the first popularity poll, but many Western fans loathe him with a passion thanks to him being an obnoxious, cowardly, and tasteless idiot whose Dirty Kid antics are a walking sexual harassment suit waiting to happen, and are wondering why the hell it hasn't gotten him expelled, because creeping on women the way he does is taken extremely seriously in American high schools. Most of them are praying for the day where he either 1) turns evil, 2) dies, or 3) turns evil and then dies so he could be replaced in Class 1-A by Shinso. The fact that Horikoshi has openly admitted Mineta is one of his favorite characters doesn't help matters either. Although even he's losing fans in Japan after his extremely inappropriate comment to Eri.
- The Scrappy: Mineta has a sizable hatedom and tends to rank low on popularity polls. This seems to be attributed to his perverted antics, which to a lot of fans comes across as annoying and/or gross rather than funny, and his arrogant attitude and looking down on others (like Todoroki or Bakugo) despite bringing nothing substantial to anything himself. There's also the fact that his character is painfully underdeveloped compared to others, yet, Horikoshi confessed that he is one of his favorite characters, due to being easy and fun to draw, so he tends to get a lot of screentime and page-time compared to other "side characters" in the class. It doesn't help that he's had virtually zero plot relevance at all since his introduction and has very little character development or exploration in the class. Many fans desperately wish (and write Fix Fic where) he leaves Class 1-A and is replaced by Shinso.
The Scrappy and Americans Hate Tingle are mutally exclusive, so one of these entries have to go. The last paragraph in Americans Hate Tingle implies that he's gotten hate in Japan after the Eri incident, but dosen't say anything if he has recovered from that since then, or if it was a temporary thing.
I'm asking here to get a consensus on what to do, I also asked here
.
openA character listed under seemingly contradictory tropes... Live Action TV
So, going on a wiki-walk, I noticed something rather strange. The tropes Apologises a Lot and The Unapologetic would certainly seem to be contradictory tropes. The strange thing I noticed? Dean Winchester from Supernatural is listed under both.
I kinda get it? It's a long runner with a lot of character development; some arcs/seasons/episodes he's unrepentant about any of his antics (mostly earlier in the series), sometimes he's very repentant and says so (mostly later in the series). With 'Apologises a Lot', the editor lists 'self-blame' as the reason he's there — which to my mind isn't quite the same thing as being apologetic. The editor for 'The Unapologetic' lists lines like 'I'd do it again' and 'I made the right call', which are true lines, but the kind that, honestly, I feel come from a lot of characters on the show at various points. Often enough, eventually apologizing for... completely disregarding other characters viewpoints by being unapologetic?
I felt like I needed some more viewpoints here to get an idea of what if anything to do, if anything, and what process to follow. Since Discussion pages don't seem to get a lot of use and it affects more than one trope, I thought I'd bring it here. I'm not sure Dean belongs on either page. I might be more inclined to remove him from 'Apologises a Lot', if I were judging it.
Edited by PointMaidopenLine of opinion acceptability in YMMV
Currently in a bit of a looming trope off with another involving the YMMV page for a fanfic.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/PokemonShadowOfTime
There are two people troping on it, myself and another, and I want to add this trope to YMMV
- Fight Scene Failure: There are many things the fic does that Reset and Ashes do as well. Some of them Shadow of Time does better. Fight scenes...are not one of them. The fights in general are a lot shorter and less descriptive than the fight scenes in either fic.
The other is very much not for it. This is his comment on the matter
'Fight Scene Failure' is purely a matter of opinion, so I don't think it applies here; at least They Copied It acknowledges that only some have that view.
...I asked a mod and I was told to bring it up here. So...here I am.
openConcerned about an edit I made
So on the fanworks page for My Hero Academia, I just removed a link for a fanfic called My Hero Academia Butterfly due to it being a redlink. However, this is the second time I've done so and I'm worried that doing so qualifies as edit warring. Both times it was added it was by separate tropers, but the redlink today was up for three hours with no attempt to make the page itself, and the first time the redlink was up for a full day. I'll admit it's kinda frustrating that no attempt was made to remedy the redlink and make it a bluelink as far as I've seen, but I'm worried that I broke a rule in removing it a second time.
openSeemingly Excessive SelfDemonstratingCharacter pages
Mentioned this in the fairlydead SD Character cleanup thread
and the TLP thread
, where someone suggested I bring it up here.
Basically, Roku Alhazared more or less makes a new SD page a day
, almost none of which really seem to have anything resembling a unique voice and while he clearly puts in a lot of work to them, they're little more than a first-person recap of a character. This seems excessive to me.
I haven't messaged him short of trying to ping him to the SD cleanup thread, but that might not have worked.
Edited by Larkmarn

So recently I found a bad example in The Glass House like this:
- Financial Abuse: This is basically the plot. The siblings Ruby and Rhett were adopted by Erin and Terry, the best friends of their dead parents... only to be targeted for death so the "new parents" can collect the kids's HUGE inheritance. Not to mention Terry makes passes at Ruby, who's squicked outta her mind. Then, Ruby finds out that both Terry and Erin staged the parents's deaths. She then goes Plucky Girl, attempts to fight back against Terry and protect Rhett, and ultimately kills Terry (Erin had been Driven to Suicide out of guilt a while before). Then, the kids are taken in by their uncle.
The First part is kinda related to this part but then the next part shows what happened next which has nothing to do with this trope. Should I remove the bottom?