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openHaving formatting problems Videogame
Hello! Today I was attempting to edit the Fan works/Danganronpa page to add the fanfiction "ronpa and friends" to the crossovers folder and I seem to have messed up the formatting somehow? There is not a page on here for it yet so that may be the problem? If anyone could help me fix it or direct me to where I could learn how to fix it myself that would be very helpful. Sorry about the mess, I am still trying to figure out how this works.
openAvoiding an Edit War on YMMV.PokemonSwordAndShield
On an entry for They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character, I edited the following, as it seemed overly complainly and the character in question is retiring and their character arc follows their granddaughter preparing herself for the role while fretting about if she is good enough:
- Professor Magnolia also qualifies, despite being the region's main professor. Her granddaughter Sonia essentially fills her role of professor despite being an assistant until she officially takes Magnolia's place. Seeing as she studies the Dynamax phenomenon and is well acquainted with Macro Cosmos (and Chairman Rose) to the point of collecting wishing stars for them, you'd think she'd have more involvement in the story.
I removed the "Seeing as she studies the Dynamax phenomenon and is well acquainted with Macro Cosmos (and Chairman Rose) to the point of collecting wishing stars for them, you'd think she'd have more involvement in the story."
Maths Angelic Version added it back, with the edit reason of "1) Don't delete opinions just because you don't think so. 2) Yes, she's retiring, but that doesn't mean her role had to be as small as it was."
I do not feel that this was "deleting an opinion", and rather, just removing something nattery, but I do want to hear others' thoughts on this.
openRedundant characters folder
There's a problem I have with the characters folders for the Henry Stickmin Series with the Toppat clan folders. There are folders for some individual Toppat members and one for the clan as a whole which is fine but there is also a folder for "Other Toppats" which was pretty much covered by the "clan itself" folder. Should they be merged ? I tried to discuss it on the page's discussion section but nobody answered.
Edited by jOSEFdelavilleopenWhere do we draw the line between Fan Work and original work?
From what I've seen, Fan Works seem to be defined as content created using previously established media as its basis. However, that eventually led me to asking myself a question: Where do we draw the line between considering something a Fan Work and considering it its own original work?
For a specific example of my question, there's Red Vs Blue. Red vs. Blue is a machinima (a form of work listed under Fan Works) series that uses Halo as its basis. However, outside of a few mentions of Master Chief and the UNSC, the series is largely its own thing with its own original story, characters and world building. So, do we consider it a Fan Work for being a machinima based on Halo, or do we consider it an original work in spite of that?
openRemoved entires in FranchiseOriginalSin/WorldOfWarcraft that i feel need to be restored Videogame
While a few of those probably warranted their removal, i feel that at least three of them should be restored/re-added:
- The Night Elves Badass Decay, which started as them going from a power equivalent, if not greater, than the Horde and Alliance to being just another of the four Alliance factions, and culminated into them beign the victims of a genocide with their "vengeance" being toothless at best..
- the Forsaken's straddling of the Token Evil Teammate/Nominal Hero line from their very inception.
- The developpers' self admitted Creator Favorite attitude toward writing Horde content, which started with the world revamp of Cata being Horde-focused (i think they event wrote a blog post apologizing about that one, even), and continued all the way to the genocide of an Alliance race beign used as fodder for Horde/Saurfang story developpment.
openEdit War
On Creator.Allison Pregler, Gemma
added the following:
to a second-bulletpoint, to this:
SailorTardis
removed both the second level-bulletpoint and the last sentence as Natter.
Gemma has since then added this to the above example:
openAbout audience reactions
So on the YMMV page for Mary and Max here
has a Nightmare Fuel entry that I find questionable, but I wanted to bring it up Here.
Spoilers for the movie, I guess. The film is about the unlikely friendship between a young girl with low self-esteem named Mary and an older, autistic man named Max as they write letters to each other. The film covers the years of their friendship and their individual problems, including a fight between them, but it isn't until the end that they finally get the chance to meet when Mary flies over to visit, only to find that Max has already passed away. Mary sits down beside him, sees that he's saved every one of her letters over the years, and is comforted knowing that her friend died in peace.
It's better when seen, of course, but the ending is presented as bittersweet but heartwarming. But the YMMV page in question has a Nightmare Fuel entry about Mary sitting next to Max's corpse. I don't really...agree with the entry since the scene is presented as nothing but touching, but I don't know if this is just a case of "Your Mileage May Vary."
So, this specific entry aside, I guess I'm curious if Tearjerker, Nightmare Fuel, Heartwarming, etc. entries like these - reactions that were not ones that were intended - are valid? Obviously sitting next to a corpse isn't an endearing thought, but nothing about the scene is trying to be scary in the slightest. I don't know where we draw the line with YMMV entries, I must admit.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openYMMV/Summoning Salt
I noticed that the only example on YMMV.Summoning Salt is a Discussed Trope, so it doesn't belong on YMMV. The page should probably be cut.
The first part of the example, about specific bosses that gave the discussed players a hard time, could probably be moved to the main trope list. But the second half is about specific real-life players that were extremely dominant. Would it be better to move them to a different trope, such as The Ace (EDIT: Though, The Ace is No Real Life Examples, Please!, so maybe something else would be better)?
Here's what the example looks like:
- That One Boss: Two types of examples are discussed.
- First, generally any boss that has an overly random pattern can become infamous for killing many runs if they waste too much time.
- In the Blindfolded Punch Out video, Bald Bull and Piston Honda both gave Sinister 1 a hard time when he was first trying to beat them blindfolded, as their combination of random patterns and high damage output made them difficult to counter prior to the discovery of input buffering.
- In the Super Mario Bros speedruns (both warps and warpless), Bowser is known for being incredibly random and needing extremely precise kills to get past him without wasting precious time.
- Second, some speedrunners have skills that bring them infamy for making it difficult to beat their records.
- In Super Metroid the player known as "hotarubi" used to hold the world record by a large margin. At the time his run was first posted his level of play was so above his competition many claimed he was cheating and his video was held for verification for weeks. Others thought he could only be beaten by doing a segmented runnote Playing separate parts of the game instead of doing it in one sitting and merging them together. instead of a single-segment run. It took many years until people finally caught up to his skill and beat his run.
- Matt Turk for Mike Tyson's Punch-Out. One entire episode was dedicated in detailing on how people beat his times. Doesn't sound impressive, right? Well, it took the combined efforts of some of the best players in the entire world and then some just so people would have a chance of beating his times. To quote the video itself: "Matt Turk's skill level was way, way beyond any other player in the world. And there was pretty much no hope in anybody else beating some of them."
- First, generally any boss that has an overly random pattern can become infamous for killing many runs if they waste too much time.
openUpdate Zelda Character Navigation Bar? Videogame
So most of the character pages for Legend of Zelda games have a character/game navigation bar at the top of the page, like so. I saw someone put it on the character page for the upcoming Age of Calamity spin-off game, but not add the game itself to the bar. Which got me wondering if it would be a good idea to update the navigation bar on all the Zelda character pages to include the bigger spin-off games that have such pages, like the Hyrule Warriors games, Cadence of Hyrule, and the CD-i games. (I'd say Ripened Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love as well, but its character page is so lacking, I'm wondering why it even exists.) So should I go ahead and do this?
Edited by RacattackForceopenMobile freezing up
Not sure if this is the place to bring it up, but is anyone else having trouble on mobile on this site ? I can't open folders, spoiler tags, or even check my profile/messages while on my phone, so I'm wondering if the site is getting some maintenance or if the problem is my phone itself ?
openIffy reviews?
Do these reviews feel like self-promoting (not of the work, of the reviewer) or am I just paranoid?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/reviews.php?target_group=Webcomic&target_title=CycleOfLuv
openBlank WMG/DeadByDaylight
Dead by Daylight is completely blank for some reason. We can still see the words through Edit, but we can't see them on the page itself. I feel there is a bug.
open Pinokio
I didn't want to have to bring this to ATT, but the user Pinokio has a bad TLP record and isn't taking much of our advice.
Their drafts suffer from nitpicky definitions, improper formatting, walls of text, and a general trend of being confusing and more about meta stuff than actual tropes. Here are
their
three drafts.
Their edit history dates back to at least '19, so hopefully they're at least doing things properly on the wiki itself.
Edit: Just after posting this, I found them making a new bad draft (linked below), a wall-of-text in a forum thread (linked), and a bad TRS thread
.
openTroper who may need to spend time in Get Help with English
One of the examples recently added to the Halloween Costume Characterization thread shows a poor grasp of English. It was posted by Aukefi. Quoted in full:
"Zigzagged in Trick R Treat, in which it's a recurring motif that one's costume hints at their personality, like a girl wearing a witch costume being knowledgeable of the traditions and superstitions of Halloween, but sometimes they're inverted, examples include a young woman dressed as Little Red Riding Hood turning out to be a werewolf, a girl dressed as an angel turning out to be a massive Jerkass."
It's one big run-on sentence and not well expressed. A quick look at some of their other edits suggest similar issues. They may need to be sent to the Get Help With English forum for a brush-up.
I've expressed concern with the example being added in unedited by the trope sponsor and said they can't launch until it's fixed. I'm also not inclined to edit it myself given that the trope sponsor seems reluctant to include the earlier edits I've suggested.
Link to the proposed trope is here
.
openTroper changing a lot of stuff without discussions Live Action TV
Troper robin8821
seems to be on a editing spree for character pictures.
While that in itself is not something bad, he has changed a whole lot of stuff (see here
) without any discussion I could see.
He seems to replace a lot of pictures and even outright
delete
some of them, without any real apparent reason.
Edit: Keeps going
as we speak. I honestly think most of his pictures aren't an improvement, quite the contrary.
EDIT 2: He also left a whole lot of "Some caption text" captions.
Edited by ForenperseropenProposed MisBlamed addition.
Per this Aesop cleanup
, I intend to ad this to My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic S3 E13 "Magical Mystery Cure".
- Mis-blamed: Many fans criticize the episode over the alleged Broken Aesop about not accepting a destiny you don't want only for Twilight to accept her destiny of becoming an alicorn princess despite never wanting such. But the actual Aesop, delivered extra-unsubtly through the song "A True, True Friend" is about helping friends in need and find their true selfs which Twilight did do and earn her destiny for or at worst was unrelated as opposed to contradicting it.
Is this a valid example?
Could this situation also fall under Clueless Aesop as it was delivered in such a fantastical way many misinterpreted the intended Aesop?
openBrewing edit war
This is a little thing, but FFaddict
created the page AwesomeMusic.Gameboys and put the names of the tracks on the page in italics; per multiple style guides (here's the Other Wiki's take, for a start
), short track names go in quotes, not italics, so I changed them to quotes (as well as sending a grammar notifier for other issues on the page). They reverted them to italics without an edit reason or acknowledging the notifier. So I probably strayed into edit war territory myself by re-reverting them to quotes and sending them a customised notifier explaining that song titles go in quotes. They have since re-re-reverted them to italics, again without an edit reason or acknowledging the notifier.
I know I should have come here after the first reversion, for which I apologise. But I'm getting off this merry-go-round while I still can; it's clear they aren't listening.
Edited by mlsmithcaopenAre meta-examples okay in YMMV?
Somebody mentioned adding a trope to a work page, about the fans of a work (and not the work itself) crossing the line twice. Is that okay? Not okay?
Edited by MichaelKatsuro

A few days ago, a troper by the name of 227someguy made two edits to the Ensemble Dark Horse page to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Personally, I feel that these two edits were unjustified and should be reverted back, but from what I understand, doing that would be considered starting an Edit War, so I decided to come here and get other people's opinion on it.
In their first edit, they removed the bolded line from this example:
"One of the earliest examples: Robert Edward O. Speedwagon. Despite the fact that he can't use the Ripple and doesn't fight (Zeppelli even notes that he's more or less useless despite his friendship with Jonathan), he's popular with Western and Eastern fans alike. Must be his Nice Hat. In fact, he's arguably the biggest example of this in the series. Even though it's been several years since he's been relevant in the story (either in the manga or the anime adaptation) he still maintains a devoted fandom."
Their justification for this was that this was a case of Examples Are Not Arguable. However, Examples Are Not Arguable seems to only apply when the example itself is being argued, which isn't the case here (Speedwagon is most definitely an Ensemble Dark Horse), rather, what can be argued is that Speedwagon is the most notable example of an Ensemble Dark Horse in the series.
In their second edit, which is the one I'm more opposed to, they changed a sentence to refer to the character Cioccolata as an Evil Counterpart to the character Giorno to instead refer to him as Giorno's foil, citing it as a case of Square Peg, Round Trope. Personally, I do not see how that is the case, as Evil Counterpart is defined as an evil character who shares traits with a heroic character, which I feel Cioccolata fits the bill for (both him and Giorno are intelligent men who use a polite demeanor to hide their hidden violent sides, and both have abilities based around directly manipulating life).
Basically, I'd like to get some other's opinions on these edits and see whether or not they should be changed back.
Edited by lpk675