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open[Resolved] Narm Flamebait?
Narm's subpages have the Flame Bait header on them even though Narm itself does not and they aren't listed anywhere else, and I've been wondering how does that work.
Edited by AmonimusopenHow do I propose a new web series creator to be written here? Web Original
I would like to propose the addition of a new web series and its creator to this wiki, but I am not sure how. The creator is called Super Mario Richie and I feel that he desperately needs to be recorded here. I think his omission is unacceptable and I would like to see an effort made for his various works to have their tropes recorded here. I might try to start the page by myself, but I don’t have much free time these days. I hope you can help. Thank you.
openCharacter Page Reversion Policy
EDIT: The original issue is being resolved on the Discussion page, but I'm still wondering about character page projects.
A few days ago, someone created this character subpage
. There wasn't any discussion about this, which is technically fine, but the page itself has some issues. Even though a couple of other users have edited it, seven of the folders have 0-2 examples. There's also some weird capitalization and formatting. Some of their edits also don't make much sense: they changed
a Foil example to Contrasting Sequel Main Character, but neither of the characters in the original example are the protagonist of their series. The bulk of the page is focused on one character (who nearly has technically enough content for their own page).
I posted yesterday on the discussion page, but no one has responded. Is it alright to revert the split, or should I wait for approval? On a separate note, is there an existing project focused on setting up a Character Sheet guidelines page? I feel like that could be helpful.
Edited by indigoJayopenCreator page redirecting to a UsefulNote
When editing the page for Series.Space 1999, I found that not only does its producers Gerry and Sylvia Anderson not have creator pages, but Creator.Gerry Anderson is a redirect to the Useful Notes page UsefulNotes.Supermarionation, which is about an animation technique frequently used by the Andersons.
Is it really kosher to have a creator page redirecting to a useful note which is not even supposed to be about the creator in question? I think it would actually be better to remove the redirect and have Creator.Gerry Anderson create a redlink, until a proper creator page can be created (I might get around to that myself when I get the time).
Edited by GnomeTitanopenSandbox query
How can I make a Sandbox entry for myself or for anything that I can share that might be useful? Or do I need a Troper page too?
Edited by Tr0p6564rch6ropenOn Images for Newly-Launched Tropes
Launched my new trope earlier today, and I saw someone else added a pic to it. I know I forfeit any conceit of ownership when I launched it, but I feel the pic isn't clear enough (figuratively because I tend to think of the castle before Mickey Mouse for Disney, and literally because it's kinda fuzzy) and could also be misconstrued as Company Cross-References instead.
Is this the sort of thing I can just change myself, or can I ask in here since it's a recent launch? Or is this the type of thing that should be taken to the Image Suggestion Thread
or a new thread entirely?
openQuotations edging into plagiarism? Anime
While browsing through fanfic pages, Fanfic.Isnt It Beautiful and Fanfic.We Werent Born To Follow struck me with some weird choices. Several examples on them appear to have flat out chunks of the fic itself inserted as context. Not quotes from the characters, but narration. For one example, but there's more.
- The boy is a whirlwind, swinging his tonfa with ease and comfort and using them in probably unconventional ways. He hits with them, sure, and blocks, and parries. And then reverses his grip, uses the short handle to hook under the armpit or around a knee to trip them over. And then turns them around again to use as stilts for his hands, adding inches to the reach of his upwards kick that sends a far-taller opponent reeling back.
This feels in violation of ZCE rules, but I'm not sure if the attempt at indicating quotation saves it from being a plagiarism problem.
Edited by AdannoropenDEKU SDCP Film
Yo, I saw in a cleanup thread that Izuku Midoriya from My Hero Academia had a SDCP then got cut. I was wondering if someone could bring that back or at the very least allow a sandbox page for me or someone else to draft one. I feel like with Deku's dorky, self-deprecating, nervously neurotic behavior would make for some great humor. I would say he has some of the most unique traits out of the My Hero cast and maybe even make pages for a perv like Mineta or a hothead like Bakugo at the very least. MHA deserves more SDCP's than just Tsuyu who's own page practically has like 5 things and that's it.
openOn TLP
I've been working on a potential trope (shameless self-promo!
) and it's accumulated a healthy number of examples, so now I'm wondering - is there a good place to ask around for criticism and thoughts on how well it's put-together outside of the TLP itself? Last time I asked within a comment, I got no replies regarding it, so I'm wondering if that was a bad avenue to ask or if people think that it's solid as it is presently.
openHostile deletion reason
Very Peeved deleted this on Gone Horribly Right:
- Brexit was this for many people that didn't see the consequences of what they campaigned for. Here are a
few
examples
.
With this edit reason:
if you're gonna put this shit in here, at least put some damn effort into it. a single line and a couple of links is not on. D- apply yourself.
Now I do feel like maybe Gone Horribly Right should probably be a No Real Life Examples, and failing that perhaps this example crosses the line of Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement. All that being said that edit reason was needlessly hostile.
Edited by jjjj2openIs there a way to see what works a Troper follows?
I feel the question speaks for itself, but I wonder if there's a way to see what works a troper follows he way you can see what you follow yourself.
openDid I edit war by mistake?
So, I suggested on the FPC thread that we make an entry for Kingsmen: The Secret Service here
. Most were kay with it. So, I looked through the history of FanPreferredCouple.Live Action Films and found out that an entry had already been deleted for not mentioning a creator preferred one here
. So, I suggested readding it with mention of one here
and was again given the okay. So I added it to the age. Now I don't believe this was the edit war as I got permission from the cleanup thread first. However, I then added it to the Kingsman: The Secret Service page and discovered that it had been deleted from there
, without edit reason. Is this edit warring since I still had approval to add the entry from the cleanup thread? I was not being the one who originally added it and it was deleted without edit reason which to my understanding is not okay.
I want to report myself if I edit warred.
openEdit war on the Tear Jerker page
On December 7, the troper https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=FantiSci
added this to the tear jerker page of Encanto.
- Mirabel's "you're perfect as you are!" conversation with her mother when her hand is healed is sweet and funny...but there's also a bit of justified bitterness in Mirabel's tone when she points out that Julieta has just healed her hand with magic. Julieta is correct — but Julieta is also the Madrigal with the most manageable and most obviously beneficial power. From her daughter's perspective, it's a bit like a supermodel lecturing you on why looks aren't everything. It also doesn't help that Julieta still thinks that Mirabel was (possibly unconsciously) acting out because of envy at Antonio's successful ceremony — she's one of Mirabel's strongest supporters, and even she doubts her.
- Even more heartwrenching is that this moment also makes Julieta unknowingly insensitive in another layer - as stated earlier, the Madrigal family took a family picture without Mirabel. And even Julieta didn't notice. So, when Julieta makes that line, it rings even hollower.
- In addition to this, the family do nothing to stand up for Mirabel when Alma is being cruel to her. Her mother essentially expects Mirabel to see herself as 'perfect' as she is while she's stuck in an environment that singles her out near constantly
On December 24, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=whoseliner
removed it with the edit reason: that they do stand for her.
On that same day, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=FantiSci
added it back with this for an edit reason: Last edit deleted an entire entry on the basis that they disagreed with a small part of it.
On the 26, I removed all of that with a few others while linking it to this discussion: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13327578050A72722200&page=325#comment-8105
To their credit, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=FantiSci
did try to stark a discussion even though they technically already edit warred (I didn't realize until I started digging to find the original poster) https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=TearJerker.Encanto
However, today, I found that they had added it back with this edit reason: See discussion - there is plenty of evidence in the film to justify these points.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=TearJerker.Encanto
Except as you will see in my second to last link, no had replied to their discussion. Permission to redelete?
Edited by LadyErinNYopenDoes this fall into troping real people?
I recently made an edit on Princely Young Man about Japanese media's tendency to dub young, handsome men with some achievements (especially in sports) "ouji" or "oujisama", essentially applying this trope to them. I stopped the edit there without elaborating on why one such example (figure skater Yuzuru Hanyu) fits the Princely Young Man model. Am I allowed to elaborate why Hanyu is considered The Ouji, because his public reputation (in and of itself a PR creation/curated image) fits the trope description to a tee? Would that fall under troping real people (or worse, one-handed troping if not just merely gushing)?
Source for this claim
(in addition to other media coverage I've seen scattered around the internet, including at least one Japanese TV channel putting "Some Day My Prince Will Come" over footage of Hanyu).
If that is an absolute no-no, should the trope be made NRLEP lest it invites gushing?
Edited by annieholmesopenSlur used on South Park page, what should I do?
Was reading the fridge page of South Park: Post Covid: The Return of Covid, when I came across this entry (problem word bolded):
The entry is fine by itself, however it uses the word "cripple" to refer to being disabled, which IIRC is considered a slur in that context. I would've removed it, but as it's in a subpage for an entry of South Park, a show that's meant to be super offensive, I'm not sure as they could’ve used that word in that context in the episode mentioned (Note I haven't seen that episode).
So, um what should I do in this case?
Edited by Cutegirl920fireopenRegarding using material posted on another site by a Troper with their consent.
I'd like to ask about using summaries when the troper themself has given consent to use them.
Tropers/Comun, a user of Beast's Lair
wrote summaries of the latest chapter of Fate/Grand Order, Non-Primate Ecosphere: Tunguska Sanctuary.
I asked about using their summaries
, to which they gave their blessing
. However, I was told to ask the people in the Copy-paste Cleanup Thread
for advice concerning this situation because using the summaries could be considered plagiarism and break the rules of the site. Unfortunately, I received no response
, so I'm asking here instead.
open Reporting edit war, including self-report.
Troper Duncril 01 is still at it with removing Arch-Enemy from hero pages and insisting it is a villain only tropes, despite this already being resolved on this thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=95619&type=att
I undid the edits here
and here
while linking that thread as the edit reasons PLUS private messaging them, but he has failed to respond or listen, redoing the same edits that got undone.
I presume he has also removed this trope from countless other character pages too, but I'm not sure which ones.
Edited by Snowy66openDeleting YMMV examples for no reasons Live Action TV
Today, I noticed at least two old examples in YMMV page of Kevin Can F**k Himself without edit reason a few months ago. He Really Can Act example was deleted by Rm 74 and WTH, Casting Agency? example was deleted by meatwadf. Here's what the examples look like before deletion:
- He Really Can Act: Mary gives it her all in "Fixed". She displays her anger, sadness and grief when Patty calls out Allison for making her search into Tammy's belongings.
- WTH, Casting Agency?: Annie Murphy's comedic and dramatic talents have already been acclaimed, and her performance here was similarly praised. At the same time though, a few thought that Erin Hayes should've played Allison given her role as the the wife on Kevin Can Wait was the inspiration for this show, and the series would've felt more powerful if an actress screwed over by the sitcom stereotypes parodied here was the one rebelling against them.
- In an interview with Vulture (Vulture had been consistently advocating for her to get a part), Erinn Hayes herself says she loves the idea and script of Kevin Can F**k Himself but she understands that casting her as the main role would be iffy, as her character death on her previous series and its controversy could draw too much attention away from this show.
Should the examples need to be brought back or there's a reason for a deletion?
Edited by Bubblepig

I believe I read somewhere that it is a main page trope but I also often find it on the YMMV pages like these from Once Upon A Time:
So, should these be moved to the main page?
I am sorry if this is not the place to ask this but I did not know where else to go.
Edited by Bullman