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openUndertale tropes minor edits Videogame
Hello! I've found a few minor mistakes in some of the trope pages for Undertale but idk how to fix them myself so (spoiler warning for anyone who hasn't finished Undertale)
-In "Tropes B/Undertale", under "Bizarre taste in food", Napstablook is accidentally referred to using 'he' pronouns -In "Tropes C To F/Undertale", under "Cue the sun", It's added at the end that Asriel's fight took the whole night due to the Asgore fight being during sunset and the sun rising in the True Pacifist Ending. However, in Asgore's battle text, it is described as being twilight, which could be either right before sunrise or right before sunset —Under "Flower Motifs", it says that in the dump, Golden Flowers are 'what Flowey uses to save the player from falling to their death after remembering the first meeting with the Fallen Human in similar circumstances'. However, this isn't ever hinted at in the game (unless I'm forgetting something). We know Flowey can summon vines, but he hasn't canonically been able to grow entirely separate flowers as Flowey. Also, here are plenty of other instances of flashbacks relating to the First Fallen
Is it alright if someone can fix these?
openOdd Stuff on Arthurian Legend Literature
I want to draw attention to a rather bizarre editing conflict on Myth.Arthurian Legend.
More than three years ago, a troper called Methuselah
added two new entries to the works list on Myth.Arthurian Legend. Here they are:
- Balla na Nathair Corónach, another pre-Roman tale, which also has versions once told/sung in Scotland, Cornwall, Ulster, Bretony, Galicia and Mann, was purportedly (i.e-attributed to him but most likely not written by him given his ficticious nature) written by Fionn Mac Cumhail to honor his Welsh rival (which is debatable considering the average Irish mythologian's attitude toward Arthur), and stylizes Arthur as a pro-Druid anti-Roman bastard (of mixed Roman and Welsh heritage) and nephew/heir of Emrys (his uncle Ambrosius, who is apparently a separate character from Merlin in the ballad) who married Guinevere to bring piece to Britain on the word of his adviser Myrddin (Merlin), although this peace later broke and Arthur avenges the breaking of the pact by attacking the Romans, and later burns the Guinevere analog for killing one of his pre-wedlock heirs. Other iterations are far more anachronistic.
- Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans, a semi-historical (in that it is mostly fable, although similar events did occur, although not during the period when the Welsh canon was being composed) account of a series of vengeance-raids by Celts and other native Bretons against Nordic settlements in Scandanavia. The oldest, least adulterated, and most clearly translated version was found in Iceland. It describes a Serpent/Dragon King (a coded title for one of the possible other inspirations of Arthur, who was allegedly a major Druidic leader) who led these attacks, occupied some villages for a few years, and even extracted tribute until the mid-Roman occupation. Later versions are also more anachronistic and incorporate more post-Norman Arthurian lore.
I consider myself halfway knowledgeable about medieval Arthurian lore. Yet I have never heard about these supposed Arthurian works. I checked some books, googled around, and found absolutely no information about these works. Though Google Translate suggests that "Balla na Nathair Corónach" is Irish and means "Wall of the Crowned Serpent" and "Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans" is Icelandic and means "Account of the Festival of the Dragon".
I also find that much of what is said about the supposed content of these works is hard to believe or does not make sense. For one, I am not aware of any Arthurian work from medieval Ireland; much less a "pre-Roman" one, given that Arthur is pretty much universally placed in time after the Roman occupation of Britain. The entries are also extremely confusingly written, lack focus, and are riddled with vagueness and self-contradictions. Because of this and because I couldn't find any proof for the existence of these works, I eventually deleted both entries. (This was more than two years ago.)
The entries stayed deleted for somewhat over half a year, then Methuselah returned and restored them, referring to my deletion as "vandalism" in their edit reason.
Next I sent Methuselah a private message telling them that I couldn't find any confirmation for the existence of these works, and asked them what their sources were or where I can get information about these works. They replied with a very condescending message in which they tried to present themself as some kind of expert on medieval literature and claimed that Balla na Nathair Corónach has been published in a book called The Celtic Heroic Age by John Koch and John Carey, and that Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans is a "fragment" of an Old Icelandic work called Möttuls saga.
Since then, I got myself a copy of The Celtic Heroic Age and, lo and behold, no Balla na Nathair Corónach. As for Möttuls saga, this is an Icelandic translation of a French Arthurian tale called Le lai du cort mantel (The Lay of the Mantle). I checked out a translation and several synopses, and (you know where this is going) found nothing which fits the material that Methuselah claims constitutes Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans.
I have decided against sending Methuselah another pm. I don't know if they are still active (their last edit was ten months ago), but in any case they have been lying about their sources (if they have any). My impression is that they're intentionally throwing academic-sounding language and work titles around so that others will believe they're an expert and won't question them.
Long story short: I want to delete both of Methuselah's entries for referring to inexistent works. But since I already deleted them once, I want to get consensus first to avoid an edit war. Do I have permission to proceed?
(I will send Methuselah a pm about this query.)
Edited by LordGroopenUncomfortably bashy WMG listing.
I wanted to bring up this WMG made by Idea Master on The Bad Guys WMG page. It starts here, but then goes for a few more posts
. The character in question is a Hero Antagonist in-media, being a cop with the protagonists being crooks. I get that and all...but this seems heavily vitriolic and not fit for both the series and the page, while also feels like just airing out grievances on cops alone, nothing about the character in herself. I haven't messaged them yet, since I wasn't sure how this should be handled.
open Problem with TheSquad
I come across this example on SCP: Overlord.
- The Squad / The Team:
- Lambert: The Leader.
- Reyes:
- Kolinski:
- Designated Point Man: He becomes this after finding the anomalous camera.
- The Hero.
- Jansen: The Hacker.
- Besson: Combat Medic.
- Cicero: Plucky Comic Relief (Downplayed).
I removed it
citing tropeslasing, ZCE, and indentation problem (I also sent the tropeslashing notifier to the troper who added it, but neither ZCE since they already got one from another edit nor indentation (I just forgot that)). They added it back later
, without tropeslasing but otherwise the same.
At first, I was about to report them as problematic troper. But as noted, I didn't sent them the indentation the first time. And for ZCE, I'm surprised that even The Squad page itself is so light on context that none of the examples there explain how each of the members fit the roles. So I'm willing to assume that the troper just learned from bad examples and think it's good enough.
So I'm going to send them a second ZCE notifier after this post. But really, The Squad's example section looks pretty bad (and consider how TRS never actually fix the problem for its cousin "The Team but more specific" Five-Man Band, I have little faith in that).
openOver Spoiler-ing
A bit of context: a few days ago, I removed some spoilers from the description of VS OURPLE GUY that were hiding the mod's final song, which is unlocked by beating the rest of the mod's songs and is a homage to another game's ending. To compromise since it is still a spoiler, I put who sings it in a note, since the song title itself isn't too spoiler-y in my opinion. I also added an example of Brutal Bonus Level discussing this song, spoiling what it is while still keeping the actual context visible.
A few hours ago, Bread Pear not only put the entire song into the note in the description, but also widened the spoilers on Brutal Bonus Level to almost the whole thing, meaning the context is now under a black bar someone has to click to know if it's a spoiler.
I can't fix it because I added it originally, but I'm curious what to actually do here.
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenReporting an Edit War
So on YMMV.Girl Meets World reddieforthis added
this The Scrappy entry:
- Riley herself is often viewed as this retroactively. Especially when she forces her views on her friends.
I removed
it because Riley is not consistently hated like The Scrappy is supposed to be. She's a Base-Breaking Character though. reddieforthis then added
this nearly identical The Scrappy entry for Riley without an edit reason or discussing it anywhere:
- Riley herself has become this retroactively. Due to her pompous attitude on certain subjects, and her inability to see other points of view. Some have pointed out how exhausting it must be to be her friend.
This is an Edit War correct?
Edited by BullmanopenTroper created quotes page for themself
this isn't allowed, right?
e: their troper page doesn't even show up on the quotes page. Jethro Q Walrustitty
Edited by ChloeJessicaopenUnfortunate Implications issues?
UnfortunateImplications.Live Action Film
- In Law Abiding Citizen, the line "Fuck his civil rights" can really rub people the wrong way and give them the wrong impression, as it more or less implies the law is pretty corrupt and will throw ordinary people to the wolves if need be, as one review
points out:
"But if Law Abiding Citizen wants to be a story about an ordinary man — Shelton — who takes back a power he believes has been given up to those in charge — Rice — a power those in charge have abused, why is it ultimately espousing a route that would do nothing but give those in authority even more power over ordinary people? If Shelton’s civil rights are fucked, then so are yours and mine."- Which is the point that Shelton was trying to make all along: without violating the law and Clyde's rights in the name of bringing him to justice at any cost, Nick and co. would never get him. To succeed, they had to become much like Shelton himself during his work for the government. Which, in turn, leads to a very uncomfortable question of where is the fine line between doing horrible things in the name of justice, and outright abuse of power for whatever goal.
Is the last part Natter? Arguing against itself? Mean it's not an example of intentional? (TRS
didn't get enough votes to require it be unintentional, but didn't outright decide if it should be.) Or is it a separate point requiring a separate citation.
openAllForNothing discussion.
Can something count as all for nothing if it happened before the story? In the fanfic A Rabbit Among Wolves Blake and Sienna feel that their involvement in the White fang was pointless as they sacrificed their morals, and Blake abandoned her home to accomplish nothing. Here is the original example someone else removed.
- All for Nothing: As Jaune's success grows and people become more receptive to the White Fang, both Sienna and Blake express uncertainty about their previous actions in the radicalized version of the group, asking themselves what exactly they accomplished for the cause of faunus by making themselves into feared criminals. Both soberly come to the answer of "nothing", meanwhile Jaune has come around and in the space of a couple months, not only healed much of the damage they caused but done more to relieve the plight of faunus than anyone has in years. For Sienna the realization is bittersweet, but Blake pushes back against Jaune's popularity in large part because she doesn't want to believe that she and Adam made the wrong choices when there was a better way.
- Jaune himself disagrees with this notion. He believes that both the failed, peaceful White Fang and its violent successor were necessary for his own success.
Jaune: I was seen as the better version of the White Fang, but if there hadn't been a worse version for people to demonise, then I wouldn't have gained half the following I did.Ghira: Then was I wrong? To try the peaceful approach?Jaune: No. It was needed to fail to spark the violence, and it was needed so that people could look at the new, violent White Fang in anger and think fondly of the kind and benevolent group under the leadership of Ghira Belladonna.
- Jaune himself disagrees with this notion. He believes that both the failed, peaceful White Fang and its violent successor were necessary for his own success.
open Permission to remove
Yesterday a troper by the name of GRD added these
to the Meme Page
of Genshin Impact:
- Ganyu x Childe/Ganyu's Horns Explanation A mega-cursed meme spawned from a super cursed hentai of Childe essentially raping Ganyu so violently, he ''snapped'' one of her horns in the process. Given how innocent and beloved Ganyu is within the wider Genshin Impact fandom, expect this meme to prop up with much derision amongst Ganyu fans whenever someone unknowingly (or ''knowingly'') post any images or mentions of Ganyu with Childe or Ganyu's horns.
- Yoimiya and Hilichurls Explanation In the same vain as the aforementioned Ganyu x Childe meme, there is another super cursed meme relating to Yoimiya, this time with Hilichurls. The context is that there is an extremely violent guro hentai of Yoimiya being murdered, dismembered and eaten by a group of Hilichurls. The context was so shocking that it quickly circulated within the Genshin fandom. Like the equally cursed Ganyu meme, folks who unintentionally (or intentionally) put Yoimiya with a bunch of Hilichurls will create much derision and obvious scorn from Yoimiya mains.
I would remove them myself as they make me very uncomfortable, but I’d like a consensus before I do.
Edited by LeobraceropenQuestion about crosswicking
Alright, so a few Bury Your Art examples added post-launch have been added only to the page itself and are not crosswicked to their respective Trivia pages. Is that against the rules? And if so, should I send crosswicking notifiers, or no?
openGodzillaFan1954
Could someone please help me check the accuracy of their edits? I recently had to revert their apparent attempt to make the Channel Hop entry on Trivia.Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory much less accurate, but they also worked on pages about subjects I don't know much about myself. At the least, they don't bother italicizing movie titles.
openEdit War on Characters / Genshin Impact The Fatui Harbingers
Courtesy link here
.
- On July 11, ashlay added
the Me's a Crowd entry to Dottore's profile.
- Me's a Crowd: As discussed in the "A Winter Night's Lazzo" trailer, Dottore has multiple bodies called "segments" apparently connected to certain ages in his life, with a younger one attending a funeral in Snezhnaya while the one in the prime of his life is plotting an experiment in "blasphemy" in Sumeru. The version in the prequel webcomic also has considerably shorter hair than these two, suggesting that Dottore was an even younger segment.
- 13 days later, I switched over the entry
to Self-Duplication with this edit reason: "Me's A Crowd misuse. The more appropriate trope here is Self Duplication, since Me's a Crowd is a plot trope about using clones to complete mundane chores."
- Just today, ashlay switched it back
to Me's a Crowd with this edit reason: "It's not established as a superpower persay as much as an extended process given they're linked to certain ages rather than just a bunch of them like Otto in Honkai, also the trailer specifically shows he has clones that allow him to do an experiment and attend a funeral at once."
openAcceptableTargets in VideoGame/ApexLegends
I am admittedly not 100% clear on how Acceptable Targets works, but I felt like these examples from YMMV.Apex Legends needed to be brought to attention given that they seem to be more centred on how the fanbase feels about certain things within the game or community rather than examples of the creators intentionally poking fun at real-life people, groups or ideologies.
- Acceptable Targets:
- In trailers, the characters most likely to die or be injured are Mirage, Octane, Caustic, and Bangalore.
- Wraith and Octane players tend to receive a lot of derision due to the stereotype that they're hard to cooperate with; said stereotype being defined by Leeroy Jenkins players who run off by themselves, get downed, then complain that nobody else is playing with them and/or disconnect immediately.
- "TTVs" are next in line to be ridiculed by the playerbase. Alongside the above stereotypes of being Leeroy Jenkins that try to impress their viewers by charging headlong into fights to get as many kills as they can, they're also commonly associated with trash-talking, making excuses or accusing players who kill them of hacking, and Inserting TTV into their names to plug their channels.
Once again, I might be wrong and these examples may be perfectly acceptable. I just wanted to check with someone who has more knowledge on the Acceptable Targets trope rather than jump to conclusions.
Edited by WiryAiluropodineopenlink to video with some NSFW imagery
On Pitch (2009), I've linked to an upload of the film by the director/writer. The film has some NSFW imagery in it, but you won't see any just by following the link — the video doesn't autoplay, and the thumbnail is SFW.
Does the work page/link need a warning about NSFW content? The video page itself has a warning in the description, but it's under the video, where people might miss it.
openProbably very stupid question re: edit warring
This is probably the dumbest question on the planet, and I'm very sorry but I've been up for a very long time and my brain's single working brain cell is struggling to cope.
Can you edit war with yourself?
Like, say you put an example on a page. Then you think the example was wrong so you cut it. Then you realize that the example was actually right all along so you put it back.
That's not going to get you in trouble, is it?
open The Issue of Snapdragon
So, in High Guardian Spice, there's a character named Snapdragon who struggles with their gender identity and was eventually confirmed in an external source to be Trans. Our page (and other wiki-based sources) only describes them with female pronouns as a result...
...But there's a problem here. See, in the show proper, Snapdragon was never actually confirmed to be Trans. Everyone calls them male, and it ended on the note of them starting to consider their options, with the biggest change being Snap starting to paint their nails. So there's a case that can be made that they should actually be called by male pronouns, to keep it consistent with the work itself even if it ultimately contradicts Word of God.
I brought this up here
, but nobody replied there and I didn't know if it was the right thread anyway, but it's been on my mind and I think we need to figure out the correct course of action. Similar to how we did for that character from One Piece people won't stop arguing about, or the Toaster from Brave Little Toaster.
openProblem eith Room 101's description
Room 101 currently has this paragraph in the description:
I think it doesn't belongs there. As far as I understand, Room 101 is about the location where something horrible occurs, so horrible that the audience never witness the act itself yet the effect on the character is so clear that nobody question it. This paragraph is focus on the torture method (as noted, never actually seen in the work) and not the location.
Edited by Kuruni

I noticed that Prince's Associates is in the complaining cleanup sandbox, and for good reason. However, looking it over got me thinking about how weird the whole concept of the page is. I don't know of another page with that many different creators listed on it that isn't an index, their only commonality being their collaboration with one artist. It was written a long time ago so I don't know the thought process behind its creation, but it appears the original writer wanted simply to tell a story about Prince (hence the entries being in chronological rather than alphabetical order) and didn't think the artists were interesting enough to warrant their own pages. But since There Is No Such Thing as Notability some of them have gotten their own pages anyway, which makes me wonder if we're better off breaking up the whole page and perhaps leaving it as an actual index or a redirect to Prince himself.
I'm not sure of the proper way to go about this, though. Making major changes to work and creator pages doesn't seem to require the same rigamarole as changing tropes, but I'm thinking that this is too drastic a change to just undertake myself. What do you suggest?
Edited by Camassia