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openVideoGame/{{Diablo}} MagnificentBastard entry Videogame
Baal from the franchise was approved by the thread
. I thought I had forgotten to add him to the YMMV page so I just put him up but later noticed he was deleted here
with the edit reason citing some of the tropes should be going on individual game pages. Noticing my mistake, I've commented out the example but I don't see him being put on any particular game page. To avoid an edit war, does anyone mind pointing me to the proper YMMV page he should be on as I don't know the games myself?
Edit: Changed from a comment out to a deletion of my own addition until this gets resolved just to be on the safe side.
Edited by 43110openMaking a new Prehistoric Life page.
An idea for a small move that I thought it was worth asking for feedback: I noticed in the paleontology fact checking/discussion thread that, in the useful notes page Prehistoric Life - Non-Dinosaurian Reptiles, the group of mammal-like reptiles (the same group of the sail-backed Dimetrodon) was together with reptiles, despite the fact that they aren't considered to be so anymore in the cladistic sense, as the page itself notices. It also talks about the small mammals of the age of the dinosaurs, meaning it included non-reptiles anyway. But since taking it out would be extremely pedantic, as the term was widely used for a long time, I thought that it would be a good idea to move the section to its own page about the ancestors of the mammals and their relatives in general, since it seems to have enough content compared to other small Prehistoric Life pages like Prehistoric Life - Primitive Ornithischians and Prehistoric Life – Hadrosaur Predecessors.
I made the sandbox Prehistoric Life Mammal Predecessors and wrote a description, what did you think? Would this help to organize it or is it pedantically unnecessary? I plan to put a link directing to that in the "mammal-like reptiles" section of the non-dinosaurian reptiles page in case it is moved.
Edited by good-morningopenShould work pages contain plot spoilers?
I was going through George's Marvellous Medicine, and was wondering whether work pages should contain a synopsis plot, completely unmarked as a spoiler, rather than a blurb, or something along those lines. (Note: Not as a trope, but in the page description itself).
Just to make sure that the page was not an anomaly, I also had a look at Thief of Time, The Hunger Games, and Old Kingdom. The page for Thief of Time also spoils the plot, whereas the pages for The Hunger Games, and The Old Kingdom do not.
Should those spoilers exist (as a description of the work/plot summary), or should they be hidden, either in a folder, or marked as one?
openWork page with extra images
I came across Music.Self Insert, which has a bunch of images at the bottom of the page that look to be low-quality screenshots from the band's music videos. I know we usually send work pages with multiple images to Image Pickin', but none of the "extra images" are really all that good (read: I doubt an IP thread would vote to keep them over the first image). Should they just be deleted?
openBriguy52748
First, I was considering asking if
- Family Matters S 1 E 11 The Quilt
- Family Matters S 1 E 17 The Big Fix
- Family Matters S 1 E 21 Bowl Me Over
- Family Matters S 2 E 1 Rachels Place
- Family Matters S 2 E 2 Torn Between Two Lovers
- Family Matters S 2 E 11 Requiem For An Urkel
- Family Matters S 2 E 13 Have Yourself A Merry Winslow Christmas
- Family Matters S 3 E 1 Boom
- Family Matters S 3 E 2 Brain Over Brawn
Then I've looked deeper since this edit
had poor indentation, Recap.Family Matters S 1 E 11 The Quilt is just ZCE and both Recap.Family Matters S 1 E 17 The Big Fix are a bit nattery.
While that all is 2021, their very recent edit
puts Tear Jerker into non-YMMV space (and I'm not sure what YMMV.Dragnet1950s S 4 E 09 The Big Present is trying to say).
Apparently they've got attention from as far as 2013
.
What should be done here?
open Sweetness Aversion misuse (widespread)?
Sweetness Aversion is when audiences have a negative reaction to overly saccharine works. It was formerly Tastes Like Diabetes but was changed to separate the negative audience reaction examples from others. But the Sweetness Aversion sub-pages look like they were moved without cleaning up misuse as almost all fail to explain the negative reaction to it or play with it which YMMV can't be.
Some examples from SweetnessAversion.Western Animation:
- Lady Rainicorn from Adventure Time looks like a toy
◊ but is really a Badass Adorable. Not this if positively received as described.
- Animaniacs:
- Mindy. Between "Wakko's Wish" and the Buttons and Mindy episode "Mindy in Wonderland," one could vomit from the sugar overdose. Especially with the line "Fuzzy Bunny," and, "'kay I love you bye bye." Might count, might be a parody.
- "Baloney And Kids" parodies this with the namesake Barney clone. Deliberate parody. Does that fit something else?
- "Valuable Lesson" features Moral Guardians making the Warners watch an expy of The Smurfs with a lesson on being angry as an example of the kind of program Animaniacs needs to be. Same as above.
- Arthur becomes this during Kate and Pal's episodes. The series could be seen as becoming something of it as a whole thanks to the new animation. '''ZCE as to how it's such and the negative reaction to it.
- Batman: The Animated Series Baby
◊ Doll
◊ seems this, but is really a 30-year-old insane woman who merely acts like a little girl thanks to her massive issues stemming from being a Former Child Star whose body never matured past childhood. Double misuse it it was one of the saddest, best received work from the show.'
- ChalkZone is considered by many to be the sweetest and cutest of all the Nicktoons. This initially hurt its reception amongst viewers though as many it was too saccharine, but the show has earned itself a decent-sized fanbase over the years. Largely valid. But is the last part Natter?
- Hasbro's My Little Pony cartoons are famous and notorious for this, but reality is a bit murkier... Valid the franchise was considered this, but this seems wishy-washy on it. Does it count if it was wasn't actually that saccharine but still perceived as such?
- The original 1980's cartoons had this to an extent (lord knows the theme songs did), at least until the villains showed up. The Movie was probably the most diabetes-laden part of G1, even with the villains. (Y'know, the one with the ever-spreading, all-consuming, Hate Plague-inducing, eye- and mouth-spawning living ooze that is frequently compared to the Shoggoths from the Cthulhu Mythos.)
- It's mostly in the Direct-to-Video Generation 3 (early 2000's) that the My Little Pony cartoons acquired the reputation for tasting like diabetes. This generation contained, arguably, some of the cutest ponies in the show, and had a very feminine look towards it, as well as heart-warming friendship moments being used to their fullest. This got taken Up To Eleven when the already-cute characters were retooled into the "Animesque" style fans dubbed "G3.5". But even these two eras have their share of adventuring (in particular, the hot air balloon they take to the place they need to go always seems to end up with ponies needing to be saved from plummeting to their deaths, and never get into water in G3: the Inevitable Waterfall is a certainty!) Valid if it was big part of audiences feeling the franchise was such.
- Unintentionally subverted with one specific part of G3.5, Newborn Cuties, and not in a good way. They obviously try to go for this, but instead, the peculiar art style and poor animation leaves the "cuties" looking very unsettling. Behold.
Can't be played with so this seems like a unrelated complaint.
- Unintentionally subverted with one specific part of G3.5, Newborn Cuties, and not in a good way. They obviously try to go for this, but instead, the peculiar art style and poor animation leaves the "cuties" looking very unsettling. Behold.
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic from mere subject matter alone is a very adorable and sweet show, so there is no shortage of diabetes and Narm Charm is in abundance. But that hasn't stopped it from playing around and lampooning itself to lessen the diabetes. While the show has diven into the sugar sweetness with no hint of irony whatsoever, it will sometimes throw lampshades on this as a source of comedy. Fluttershy's cute shyness is sometimes played up for jokes. Pinkie Pie's singing and overly cheerful demeanor has irritated characters on many occasions, Spike mocks Twilight's excessively sentimental wrap-up in an episode, The Cutie Mark Crusaders react to Big Macintosh's and Cheerilee's sappy love talk with visible disgust, and Rainbow Dash is utterly terrified of extreme cuteness. Not an examples as this has broke the franchise stigma of being this such it achieved mainstream popularity/acceptance. Cut or worth noting it playes with this expectation as part of the series. If the latter should it just be added to the franchise wide examples saying it broke that?
Almost all the other examples have these issues? Should we just cut examples that don't mention the negative audience reaction? Or is this something needing a proper cleanup?
openEdit War on Characters / Genshin Impact Sumeru
Courtesy link here
.
- July 28: Phi Sat added
Nahida's profile and provided most of her examples.
- July 29: cureconquestgirl commented out
some of Nahida's examples with this edit reason: "please don't trope information that hasn't been officially confirmed in game yet".
- August 11: PhiSat uncommented
the same examples with this edit reason: "Since the Sumeru Promotional Trailer's video description says Nahida is the narrator and her voice is the same voice heard in the Summer Fantasia Event, it's safe to say Nahida = Kusanali is confirmed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZEpU-DbzZU
".
Even if PhiSat is sorta correct about their assumption of Nahida being Kusanali, Sumeru hasn't even been released yet so we're still not 100% sure if that's the case. Even then, this is still an Edit War since PhiSat contributed and then uncommented Nahida's examples.
EDIT: I just want to clarify that I watched the trailer itself and found nothing that currently connects Nahida to Kusanali, so it seems PhiSat is trying to push a Speculative Troping agenda.
Edited by CytoZytokineopenTroper removed YMMV without edit reason
So on YMMV.Live Free Or Die Hard, ultrafan removed
a lot of entries without an edit reason:
- Base-Breaking Character: Some saw Matt as annoying and useless, while others admired his courage in assisting John through all of the dangerous insanity and even killing two bad guys (case in point, Zeus in the third film didn't kill any).
- Evil Is Sexy
- Her boyfriend Thomas Gabriel (played by Timothy Olyphant) is quite easy on the eyes himself.
- Fandom-Specific Plot: Post-film fanfiction often has hacker Matt moving in with John, since Matt's apartment was destroyed in an explosion. John lives alone and kinda lonely without his ex-wife and kids; Matt was shot point-blank in the knee, an injury that would require weeks to months of recovery with assistance. What better setup for fanfic roommates?
Like I don't know why they removed them. Like Matt is the cause of many debates in the fandom, Gabriel is considered sexy by many female fans, and that is a super common plot in fanfiction based on the film's. These also weren't discussed anywhere. So um what should be done here?
openLego Star Wars western animation article Western Animation
The fact that there was a whole section in the LEGO Star Wars page devoted to the mostly-unrelated cartoons just kept bugging me:
For a more concise list of entries, the LEGO Star Wars series consists of: [...]
- LEGO Star Wars The Padawan Menace (2011): A young orphan named Ian sneaks onto a Jedi younglings' field trip to the Senate building, but their chaperone Yoda senses a disturbance in the Force…
- LEGO Star Wars The Empire Strikes Out (2012)
- LEGO Star Wars: The Yoda Chronicles (2013-2014): An original series spanning the Prequel and Original Trilogies as our heroes seek to prevent the Sith from producing an army of Sith clones. Rebranded as LEGO Star Wars: The New Yoda Chronicles after the Disney buyout.
- LEGO Star Wars: Droid Tales (2015): A five-part miniseries comedically retelling the Original Trilogy, Prequel Trilogy, and an episode of Star Wars Rebels from the perspective of C-3PO, R2-D2, and Admiral Ackbar.
- LEGO Star Wars The Resistance Rises (2016): A series of shorts set shortly before The Force Awakens, centered on the movie's main cast.
- LEGO Star Wars: The Freemaker Adventures (2016-2017): A two-season show set between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, nearing the beginning of the latter. The series focuses on the Freemaker siblings, a family that runs a ship repair shop and finds themselves thrown into the war when their youngest brother Rowan discovers his Force-sensitivity and the ancient Kyber Saber.
- LEGO Star Wars: All-Stars (2018): An anthology series focusing on various Star Wars characters throughout the Skywalker Saga, including the previous and next generation of the Freemakers.
- The LEGO Star Wars Holiday Special (2020): A holiday special set after The Rise of Skywalker, focusing on Rey and BB-8's time-traveling adventures throughout the Skywalker Saga after discovering a powerful Force artifact on Life Day's Eve.
- LEGO Star Wars: Terrifying Tales (2021): A Halloween special set after The Rise of Skywalker, focusing on Poe and BB-8 traveling to the now-derelict Vader's Castle on Mustafar and being told terrifying tales by the Darth's former attendant Vanee.
- LEGO Star Wars: Summer Vacation (2022): A summer special set after The Rise of Skywalker.
And it got to a point where I cut all of the above out of that page entirely. Now the real question is, should we spin off that content into a separate index of sorts under WesternAnimation/LegoStarWars or not? Part of me thinks maybe we shouldn't make an index for these because they're already covered in other pages like LEGO, Star Wars Legends or Star Wars Expanded Universe, but I want to see what others think before I can make any decision for myself.
Edited by AngrokVaopenWondering about these Edits
Before I continue, I want to note several things. Firstly, this post contains spoilers for Amphibia. Next, this post is rather long, though that's more of a heads-up if anything.
Two days later however, Derv0s B 2 made an edit
to the page and one of the changes they made was removing the Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse entry under the edit reason, "Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse only applies when it's an In-Universe callout, which Andrias never gets — the closest we get is Anne telling him he's evil in 'True Colors' after receiving a very limited and self-biased account of his motivations, and Andrias himself admitting that he's gone too far".
Then on August 3rd, the entry was brought back
again by Cartoon LGB Tfanofall Time under the explanation, "Readd Freudian Excuse is no excuse, as the part where he's admitted he's too far gone also counts.". This was what the entry looked like:
My reasoning for making this post is that I'm curious if this counts as an Administrivia.Edit War. And, if it is an Edit War, which troper was edit warring or if it was both of them. (For the record, I'm aware that something it doesn't count as an Edit War if you bring back an entry and you fix why it was removed in the first place.) Finally, I am aware that I could be jumping the gun. And, if I am, please tell me. Thanks for reading all this.
EDIT: I tried further revising this.
Edited by MacronNotesopenNew Work Proposal Videogame
I would like to make a page for Disney's Hide and Sneak, a GameCube title that more or less is a spiritual sequel to Disney's Magical Mirror Starring Mickey Mouse a year prior. But I honestly don't know where to begin. I know a few tropes that'll help create the page itself, but some beginner's tips would be greatly appreciated.
Edited by HarmonyBunny2000openOdd work title. How to Wikiword?
How to throw yourself at the ground and miss, that is how the fic is capitalized, just had a page made: Fanfic.Howtothrowyourselfatthegroundandmiss.
This does not seem conducive to WikiWords which are needed to link it. Should something be done?
open Edit war over gender identity
So Guilty Gear -STRIVE- started out the second DLC wave by adding Bridget into the game yesterday-ish. And the major Character Development Bridget had in their Arcade Mode is that they decided to come out as transwoman. And because of that, a lot of entries about Bridget had been added or edited to take this in mind. And this is where the edit war begins:
- Woe Gone Bestowed did some
edits to
YMMV.Guilty Gear and YMMV.Guilty Gear Strive removing or editing entries about Bridget under the edit reason of "It's been confirmed to be the bad ending, the flawless ending reconfirms that he's a boy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5ezv_xxOk
"
- Saturn 500 reverted the changes under the reason that "Bridget’s flawless ending actually doesn’t contradict the ending you get for being a failure."
- Woe Gone Bestowed then came back and reverted the reversion with no edit reason.
- Ayumi Chan tried to edit one of the changed entries, but Woe reverted that change.
openWhere does PlayerTic go? Videogame
This Player Tic example is in YMMV.Devil May Cry.
- Player Tic: Playing Dante in 4 and 5 and just amusing yourself by going into all of his styles one after the other quickly
to listen to Dante rapidly saying the beginnings of his declarations of the style's names is a meme.
Apart from probably needing some simple rewrite (it reads like a run-on sentence to me) or update, the example is indeed a valid Player Tic as it does happen in the fandom.
My only concern is that the lack of any banner on top of the Player Tic page makes it treated like an objective trope (meaning it shouldn't be placed on a YMMV page), so I'm not sure if the example has to remain on the YMMV page. Looking at the related pages, Player Tic is listed under Administrivia.Tropes Needing TRS, but even that Administrivia page sounds confused as to where Player Tic examples should go.
open Reporting an Edit War
So on TragicVillain.Live Action TV Charles 95 added
this entry for Supernatural's Lucifer.
- Lucifer himself is finally solidified as this. With the reveal of Chuck's true nature in the Season 14 finale and the entirety of the final season, it is revealed that God allowed Lucifer to become evil (likely pulling the strings himself) and then punished him with eternal misery just so the story would be more interesting for him. Despite all the horrible things Ol' Luci has done throughout the series, it turns out his spouting of God's machinations and his existence as a mere pawn wasn't wrong after all.
I removed it
after taking it to Is this an example thread
where it was decided that it wasn't an example due none of this being protrayed as Tragic or sympathetic. Charles 95 recently added
this near identical entry without discussing it anywhere.
- Downplayed quite heavily, but Lucifer himself is ultimately proven to be this. While he's unquestionably evil, narcissistic, bigoted, sadistic and psychopathic, his claims that God made him this way is both Metaphorically True and properly true, as God is a Greater-Scope Villain who corrupted him (or rather allowed him to be corrupted) just so the world would have a true "villain" to face, seeing at as better entertainment. While it doesn't excuse his awful actions throughout the show, his cries about being punished and corrupted for thousands of years because of God's actions rather than his own don't ring so hollow anymore.
Now again not only is this not protrayed sympatheticly but he is still protrayed as having chosen to become evil of his own free will, along with happily working with God, and is simply revealed to be a monster with out an ounce of sympathy by the end. Plus this was not discussed anywhere. So this is an Edit War correct?
Edited by BullmanopenCut, move, or issues?
riddlerfan added this to YMMV.The Sith Resurgence:
- Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped: Lily Orchard has made two
videos
on why Aliana's ideology of doing "dirty actions" for the greater good is important and morally correct, and upholding your morality and ideals when other's lives are in jeopardy is selfish and egocentric.
SANTBD is now a redirect to Anvilicious, which is just about the Aesop being heavy handed not how liked/disliked it is. I believe this is not an example as the message is not heavy handed if it's not in the work proper.
I believe this page had issues prior so I'm bringing here first. What to do?
open"Cowboy BeBop at His Computer" misuse?
Common Knowledge states Cowboy BeBop at His Computer is a sub-trope where "Documentations of a work get their facts about the work blatantly wrong, to the point that people familiar enough with the work will know that they didn't do their research properly." My impression was that it only applied to professional publications, is that the case?
From Cupcakes (Sergeant Sprinkles):
- Common Knowledge:
- This story is very frequently cited as a Creepypasta. It was never intended to be one. It's a fanfic, or a Dark Fic more specifically.
- Everyone "knows" this fic started the trend of Pinkie having a violent, stoic alter ego that goes by "Pinkamena Diane Pie", inspired by a disturbing scene in "Party of One" where a flat-haired and schizoid Pinkie has a conversation with various inanimate objects. Not only was the fic released before "Party of One" premiered, but Pinkie is her usual curly-maned and cheerful self despite torturing ponies to death, and this supposed "Pinkamena" alter ego never appears at all. A lot of the unease of the fic comes from the fact that Pinkie, as her normal happy-go-lucky hyperactive self, is either unaware of or apathetic to the horrors she's committing; an evil and murderous alternate personality would defeat the whole point. The blog Ask Pinkamina Diane Pie probably didn't help.
- Cowboy BeBop at His Computer:
- Many people believe that it's "Pinkamena Diane Pie" (flat-haired, depressive-to-psychotic Pinkie) who does all the slaughtering in Cupcakes, something that fan art frequently supports. Not only have they clearly never read the fic, but they don't know either that Cupcakes was released before the premiere of "Party of One", the first episode to have Pinkie turn back into Pinkamena. So when Cupcakes was published, let alone written, Pinkamena didn't even exist yet.
- When "Party of One" premiered, many thought they saw disturbing parallels to Cupcakes. In fact, however, they only saw parallels to what they believed Cupcakes is about without daring to verify.
- Pinkamena is complicated. Straight hair equaling Sanity Slippage comes from Party of One, Sanity Slippage equaling basement torture chamber comes from Cupcakes, "Pinkamena" as the name for straight-haired Pinkie comes from the fact that she always had straight hair back on the rock farm where she went by her whole name. Put it all together and what do you get
?
I believe Cowboy is misused here as it's fans/fanon that gets these facts wrong as opposed to documentations of the work. Should it be cut as it's already under the more fitting Common?
Also, CowboyBebopAtHisComputer.The Mysterious Mr Enter is all examples that were cut from the disambiguation Critical Research Failure. Cleanup
said to just cut them which I will per that, and due to misuse as it only applies/goes under the works that have the errors made about them, not the works making the errors. Any objections?
And if CBAHC is about professional documentations of the work, do web reviewers/personalities not count? Or can they if they have sufficient notoriety?
UPDATE: Asked Is this an example?
openUndertale tropes minor edits Videogame
Hello! I've found a few minor mistakes in some of the trope pages for Undertale but idk how to fix them myself so (spoiler warning for anyone who hasn't finished Undertale)
-In "Tropes B/Undertale", under "Bizarre taste in food", Napstablook is accidentally referred to using 'he' pronouns -In "Tropes C To F/Undertale", under "Cue the sun", It's added at the end that Asriel's fight took the whole night due to the Asgore fight being during sunset and the sun rising in the True Pacifist Ending. However, in Asgore's battle text, it is described as being twilight, which could be either right before sunrise or right before sunset —Under "Flower Motifs", it says that in the dump, Golden Flowers are 'what Flowey uses to save the player from falling to their death after remembering the first meeting with the Fallen Human in similar circumstances'. However, this isn't ever hinted at in the game (unless I'm forgetting something). We know Flowey can summon vines, but he hasn't canonically been able to grow entirely separate flowers as Flowey. Also, here are plenty of other instances of flashbacks relating to the First Fallen
Is it alright if someone can fix these?
openHow the subpages for Early Installment Weirdness are listed
Early-Installment Weirdness has grown so much that there's many separate subpages for different franchises. That in and of itself isn't a problem, however by now the list of pages looks, to me at least, bloated and unwieldy in size.
- Advertising
- Anime & Manga
- Comic Books
- Comic Strips
- Fan Works
- Fashion
- Films — Animation
- Films — Live-Action
- Let's Play
- Literature
- Live-Action TV
- Magazines
- Music
- Pinball
- Podcasts
- Pro Wrestling
- Radio
- Roleplay
- Tabletop Games
- Toys
- Video Games
- Devil May Cry 1
- Guilty Gear: The Missing Link
- The Legend of Zelda
- Role Playing Games
- Final Fantasy
- Fire Emblem
- Pokémonnote also includes examples from its adaptations
- Super Mario Bros.
- Terraria Calamity
- Web Animation
- Webcomics
- Websites
- Web Videos
- Western Animation
- Other Media
Should it just be cut down to the main pages, with the subpages only listed within the category pages?

Hello again. In Characters.Star Wars Imperial Navy, someone added
a Rousing Speech entry complete with a quote. However, I feel the quote is too long. What do you all think?