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openDuplicate page
I'm not sure if this would be better suited for the Copy/Paste thread, since it's a copy/paste of content within TV Tropes itself, but the description for WebAnimation.Cupcakes Sergeant Sprinkles as well as the majority of the trope examples, page quote and image caption are almost word-for-word copies of those on the page for the fanfiction it's based on, changed just enough to reflect that it's talking about the video rather than the fic. Is there anything that should be done about this?
openBounds of tropable material
I had some questions regarding what information is considered part of an official work for the purposes of troping.
I'm aware of how the basic guidelines work: examples need to draw from information present in a released work, while stuff that the author mentions elsewhere is considered Trivia and should be listed under Trivia entries such as Word of God, Author's Saving Throw, and the like. I am wondering precisely where the line is drawn.
For specific reference, I am looking at a Deviantart webcomic, so the "boundaries" there are a little loose by definition. There's the comic itself
, and that's obviously the work proper. The author also includes a few images describing additional lore and worldbuilding that don't appear in the comic itself, which are kept in a subfolder of the comic's main gallery
. I am not confident on whether this stuff would be considered part of the work, and thus tropable under the aegis of All There in the Manual or something like that, or Trivia.
openAuthor's Saving Throw vs Salvaged Story
Can someone explain the difference between these two tropes, because I'm wondering whether my understanding is correct? My understanding of Salvaged Story is when a sequel/prequel introduces a retcon that fixes an issue fans have with a previous instalment (using an example from the page itself, Now You See Me 2 retcons the details of the first film to stop the main characters from being examples of Designated Hero). But I've seen people put things under this trope that don't match it, such as a sequel simply having characters do something that fixes a problem that fans had with a previous instalment (again using examples from the page, the examples from The Kissing Booth trilogy sound more like the writers reacting to critics and telling a different story to fix those problems instead of using retcons). People are also just moving stuff from Author's Saving Throw to Salvaged Story as if they're the same thing. So can someone explain whether my understanding is correct or if I've been getting it wrong?
openPunctuation issue
Brian KT just made an edit (on a page that consistently puts periods and commas inside the final quotation mark), that moved a period outside the last quotation mark without doing anything else. My understanding is that this isn’t supposed to occur (first come, first served on style) so I’ve reverted the edit and sent a notifier.
Page edit history here
.
Troper edit history here
.
I don’t think I was the troper who added the example in the first place (it would have been long ago, if so), but am posting here to cover myself in case I did.
openUnfortunateImplications and FlameBait
Since Unfortunate Implications is now Flame Bait, would it be prudent to purge all examples from the page itself? Or are those examples okay to place on the page?
I ask because an example was removed from a page, and said example was properly cited.
openQuestion about moving a work page
So I brought up here
that the page for Supermarioglitchy4's Super Mario 64 Bloopers contains a very outdated name. The series hasn't called itself that since March 18th, 2017
. Since then, it's called itself "SMG4", and in War of the Fat Italians 2021, it was established that "SMG4" doesn't stand for SuperMarioGlitchy4 but instead SuperMemeGuardian4. Should the page be renamed?
openWanted to bring up a case on a new user.
The main reason I'm bringing it up here instead of attempting to give a PM to them, is because they're currently edit banned for a rogue launch reason, so I wasn't sure if giving it there would work out.
But to get to what I mean, I wanted to bring up the, so far only, edit of new troper karryoke. Specifically, this edit
on The Angry Birds Movie. I removed the edit myself, but this edit just feels like a big mess of what not to do: a link-heavy ZCE that was placed on the top of the page (despite being an S-starting trope), that's also a YMMV trope. Plus, there's something about the way it's worded, as if these scenes are meant to be good parts of the movie.
openRude Troper
I recently sent The Worst Amy a stock ZCE notifier over an edit
they made to the newly-launched Significant White Hair, Dark Skin and they accused me in a DM of being a no-lifer over it. The name itself seems familiar, and I suspect this is not the first time they've gotten nasty at people over routine etiquette checks.
openDid I accidentally Edit War
So on YMMV.Wednesday there was this entry:
- Hilarious in Hindsight: In Stuck in the Middle, Jenna Ortega's character Harley quips, "If my family was a week, I'd be Wednesday."
I removed it as it is not really hindsight for the work as it happened before the show and it was already on YMMV.Stuck In The Middle. However then this entry was added
:
- Hilarious in Hindsight: Having previously played the female lead in a Tim Burton movie with a hidden villain seeking death through supernatural means, it's funny how Christina Ricci plays the hidden villain in this—another Burton-related property.
I then
moved it
to YMMV.Sleepy Hollow 1999. Because again that is not really hindsight for Wednesday as it happened before this show. Now I forgot the other entry. I know that they are different entries about different examples but I am wondering if I accidentally Edit Warred and if I did would like to report myself.
open"Redlinks cleanup"
Is the latest redlink removal on Arthur valid? It's my interesting that we should link episodes to encourage page creation; the Arthur recap is still under development, and I've made a few pages for it myself. It wouldn't make sense to only cover certain episodes in a season.
openShould Recaps contain the episode title in the page URL/name?
When it comes to recaps, should the episode name be part of the title, and the page link?
Star Trek: The Next Generation S1E1 "Encounter at Farpoint" features the episode title as part of the page name, and the page title itself.
However, Columbo S 01 E 01 does not, instead having the page title as part of the description.
Which one is the right way of doing it?
openTroper is inactive?
I tried sending a PM to another troper, and got this message.
"The troper you are sending a message to is currently inactive. The message was not sent."
What does "inactive" mean here? Is it a catch-all term for having somehow shut down their account themself, being permabanned, etc.?
Edited by MarqFJAopenSeemingly non-existent fanfic
I recently found the page for Dance Of Destiny, it claims to be a Pokémon fanfiction released on FanFiction.Net. The page doesn't link to the fic so I went to try and find it myself but I looked all over Fanfiction.net and I can't find the fanfic anywhere. Unless I am somehow missing something it seems that this fanfic doesn't exist. I don't know if it maybe was removed or it never existed, to begin with but I can't find it.
So what should be done then?
openNot too sure about starting a fanfic page about a Japanese fanwork Videogame
Hello Tropers,
Today I want to consider doing and creating a page for another Fan Fic of Touhou Project known as "Touhou Baseball in Heat Star 2007", by "Decorun-san" in Nico Video website, as seen here
. I cannot plan to translate everything and this is a Japanese work with No Dub for You (no English translation), and I'm the only one interested currently in making the page.
Question is, since I cannot simply just create a fan-work page by myself, for now I'm considering to instead put it in Sandbox. For now, I just decide to load up with a plenty of tropes based on analysis from a rough translation from what I got.
Can I get suggestions with how are non-English fan works are generally handled? Maybe if necessary you can redirect me to a forum topic if needed, but I'm just curious, honestly.
Thank you for your attention.
Edited by JustNormalMusicLoveropenanother stub page
I found a fic page with a perfectly good summary but only two tropes listed.
Now, this page was made in 2020 and last edit was a year ago, and it has the total of ten edits. I checked the linked fic and it's completed.
Should I send this straight to the cutlist or should we hold out hope that someone will add to it? I mean, if I could do that myself I would be adding already, but I can't so...
openHandling Spoiler-y Tropes Videogame
So, myself and Umbrellas Were Awesome are disagreeing about including tropes that could spoil a part of a work by their very inclusion as examples (ie. by having the trope listed as such, it spoils part of the work).
However, Umbrellas wants to add the trope Boss Subtitles to the characters page for the three. By the nature of that trope, listing it as an example that they have — even if the text after is entirely spoiled out — it would inherently spoil that those characters are boss fights, which the Splatoon pages have otherwise spoilered out.
The reason they cite is that it's because they remember that "being at least slightly spoiled is kind of inherant to the process, and one shouldn't delete or comment out entries simply out of a desire to avoid spoiling literally everything", as listed in their edit reason. Which I agree with, but that the Splatoon 3 pages otherwise always treat the identity of the bosses as a spoiler makes this seem to me like it's just inconsistent.
What would be the correct way to treat that trope in this case? I did consult the spoiler policy, but it doesn't clarify for these kinds of situations where the inclusion of a trope causes a spoiler itself.
openAss Pull on Jojo Part 6 ymmv Anime
There has been one user argumenting the use of this on the ymmv page of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stone Ocean, where they provided arguments for how the plot points that were put on asspull made sense, but later reverted them back because of ymmv.
I find myself confused, cause the points that the user rises sound compelling enough to warrant a removal from them, but idk if most users are willing to agree.
openMetagaming tropes in CCG pages Videogame
Hi, everyone.
Just today I was taking a glance at the Marvel Snap page, and an issue that has frequently popped up in my searches through this site's CCG pages came to my attention.
Metagaming tropes (or using tropes for metagaming). Now, I'm personally a person that loves playing meta decks and the aspect of competition, but I have always felt that this kind of entries doesn't belong in most main work pages (barring stuff like Smogon which main point is the competitive aspect). After a few months working on the Character pages for Yu-Gi-Oh, I found out that these tropes led themselves to constant shoehorning, general examples (like putting Achilles' Heel for every kind of a weakness a deck has) and overly specific entries that are more akin to walkthrough mode. To not mention the fact that the metagame constantly evolves, which means that the entries suffer from a lot from Examples Are Not Recent syndrome, and a few years down the line the entries become outdated.
Inserting a few examples to prove my point (from Hearthstone, the Marvel Snap page itself, and then Yu-Gi-Oh).
- Attack! Attack! Attack!: The general strategy of an aggro deck or a rush deck is to hit the enemy hero relentlessly with charge minions and spells, pausing only to get rid of any Taunt minions that get in the way. The Hunter is particularly good at this, as his hero power lets him keep shooting the enemy hero for 2 damage and can't be mitigated by taunts. The Warlock Zoo Deck is pretty much this taken to the extreme: it consist mostly of cheap creatures, small buffs, and a lot of burst damage. Abusing the Warlock card draw hero power, this deck usually forgoes all non-essential board control and just seeks to absolutely steamroll opponents with tons of small, annoying, efficient minions and burst damage before they can control the board, stabilize and restore Health.
- Exaggerated by the popular (and also much-despised) 'Face Hunter' deck, a deck so mindlessly aggressive (even Zoo Warlock uses its rush advantage to secure board control) that a bot could play it and is regularly able to secure a turn 5 or 6 kill by simply ignoring EVEYRTHING except the opponent. EVERYTHING GOES TO THE FACE!
- Difficult, but Awesome: As explained under All or Nothing, Galactus is normally a very risky card to play, given that he downsizes the game to a single location and he only brings a Power of 3 to win said location. However, if you can get extra Energy (from Psilocke, Electro or locations) and play Galactus early, on a location where your opponent is weaker, you can dominate the game by playing strong cards in subsequent turns. This is still a pretty risky move, since your opponent can have stronger cards in their hands, but it can also totally surprise them. Not to mention, you get to see Galactus' world-destroying animation, which is pure Awesome.
- Achilles' Heel: Some cards have deliberate weaknesses to keep things interesting and keep them from becoming too powerful:
- The Earthbound Immortals
are all very strong, unable to be attacked, and can attack the opponent directly. But, they automatically destroy themselves if there's no Field Spell card on the field. Also, there can only be one Earthbound Immortal on the field.
- Cloudians
must remain in Attack Position or they will destroy themselves.
- In the metagame, this trope is present through deck match-ups and side decking. The most prominent example of this trope the in the competitive scene are, perhaps, the Dark World cards— A deck that is extremely fast, powerful, and can utterly wreck the first duel of the match. However, after said first duel, side in Consecrated Light
or Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror
and watch as they struggle against it.
- Pendulum Summoning is a very powerful summoning type, allowing you to summon multiple high-level monsters at once. However, Pendulum Cards can easily be gotten rid of with backrow removal cards like Twin Twisters and Cosmic Cyclone, cards that nearly every deck runs in some capacity. In addition, cards that immediately destroy or negate summons, such as Bottomless Trap Hole and Solemn Warning, shut it down hard as, thanks to the wording, it destroys/negates all the monsters summoned this way, since they were treated as one summon, which results in you losing a lot of your best cards in a single move as a result. Also, Pendulum Monsters whose Summons got negated and destroyed this way go to the Graveyard instead of back into the Extra Deck so they cannot be easily reclaimed.
- Any archetype that relies on specific spell cards (Gishki, Shaddoll, Masked HEROs, just to name a few) will struggle if said spell is negated by Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell
.
- The Earthbound Immortals
I bring this up because pages like Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft have a massive number of metagaming entries, and I would like to open up this issue to debate for the community. To know if it's actually perceived as a problem or I'm just overblowing this situation.
Edited by Edgar81539openNot seeing on related pages
Okay, just noticed for some reason on several pages for some reason that even if they are wicked on Western Animation they don't show up on their related pages, I checked Inside Job (2021), Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, Invader Zim and Magnificent Bastard itself, they're all the page but the page isn't showing up on their related pages, is there a reason for that?
Edited by Agentofchaos

During the discussion for misuse and debatable use
of Slender Man Stand In, there was an idea from Warjay about the cleanup for Franchise.The Slender Man Mythos. I would like to bring this up due to the "nature" of the page in question, as not only is the page simply collecting media related to the Slender Man (regardless of their canon story) but the page is simply stating how broad and unique the universe is despite being otherwise.
Suggestions would be welcome if a possible cleanup is worth it (and if the Slenderman himself is worth keeping in the wiki).